'January 08 shiny new - year babies , Keep rolling , rolling , rolling !'

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DH has just gone upstairs and there is silence am hoping she will sleep till at least 3ish but might not happen. Her daytime sleep is shocking ATM.

An average day is 2 half hour naps one in morning and one in afternoon.

Hi all, haven't been on for ages and ages - too many dramas going on, esp with DH. Seemed to have a few weeks of marriage crisis and baby teething at the same time, not nice. Had a few days away and think that really helped, and realised that DH hadn't had taken any leave since his paternity leave when DD was born, so he really hadn't a clue of what my days with her are like. It all reached melting point when he came home with a surprise for me - a kitten, and thought I'd be over the moon. It was very cute, but extremely skinny, full of fleas, hadn't been vaccinated, and he wasn't sure if it was litter trained.

OMG, I've just deleted a whole lot of this post, as I went off on one about DH - didn't realise how angry I am with him about his cluelessness. Anyone else struggling with this?

Deep breaths.

Anyone able to give me a quick summary of what I've missed?

Welcome back Awen and Mrs McJnr.
Madmouse - how's Nathan?
Lucky - Did dogs arrive?
Lilyloo - glad you didn't name change

DD trying to crawl, still no teeth, and quite good on sleep and solids ATM. Have cut down to only one BF if she wants one in the middle of the night, otherwise have been offering the bottle and she is sloooowly getting used to it.

am getting there with laundry....as long as it doesn't rain!

ds2 is pretty good during the day, normally a 2hr nap 9-11sih, than again 1-3ish.
if only he would go through the night too!

texted a friend to come over as ds1 and i getting bored with each other's company well he's happy with Cars but i need some adult chat i think, and know this other mum is the same with her 2 LOs.

sorry for all those with ill LOs, it's horrible i know hope they are all better soon.

as for MILs, don't get me started! really she's lovely, and loves the kids, and will help loads so i shouldn't complain....BUT!
she really believes that her house is fine for toddlers...NOT!

friend here, best go!

Welcome back Frag. Sorry to hear things not going so well with DH. Me and DP have our moments but we're getting along much better lately.

A dog arrived but had to go back again once he went for lucky so now we're clearing the spare room out for kittens instead.

Afternoon ladies.
Frag where did he get the kitten from?
Talking of sleeping we went to Asda this morning and lo was getting tired and yawning. He fell asleep on the way haome. Put him in his cot and he is still there fast asleep Has never slept this long before. Heep checking on him and he looks so peaceful.
Well I have just finnished cleaning my fridge inside and out. Got rid of most of my fridge magnets too. Washed sd3's uniform ready for next week and have put all his new grey socks in his drawer. Hopefuly going to charity shop with all the sorted out stuff when lo wakes up and has had his lunch. Getting rid of the steriliser too. Won't be needing that any more
Oh spoke too soon lo awake and crying now. Better go.
Yake care xxx

Simpson - If they do the 'she's much better for DH' thing, tell them, yes, babies do often paly up more with the poeple who look after them all the time. It's because they trust them and don't have to be on their 'best behaviour'. REally, how many times have you been out with DC and they've been perfect andyou get home and they're grotty. IT happens all the time. It's because they can with you.

Gingeme - it's always when you're thinking 'shall I wake them? ' that they wake. DD slept for 2 and a half hours yesterday. I phoned DH to see if I should wake her up in hhis opinion. As soon as I asked the question I heard her over the monitor.

JKS - hop eyou enjoyed your adult chat!

Fragloina - I was wondering where you were! Getting her first two teeth took forever with Sabela. It was hell. Sorry about DH. Could you contrive to leave dd with him and then he might see how little he knows? How long did it take Tana to get used to the bottle?

MM - how was physio?

LaT - you are exactly right. When we went over with DS at 6mths we arrived really late about 11pm and within 30 mins of arriving Dh had put DS to bed, loads of comments of how good he is (both DH and DS!!) the next night I put DS to bed at usual time and he was more aware of being in a strange place and he kicked up a right old stink. MIL still comments now that DS goes to bed better for DH than me

Gingeme - I have put sterilser away too but taking milton tablets to ireland as no dishwasher

Frag - me and Dh have had our moments too. You are right I don't think men realise how hard it is looking afer a Lo especially when they are ill or teething

simpson you dont ned to sterilise now. I just wash Geirges bottles with good old washing up liquid. Would love a dishwasher

Gingeme - I haven't sterilised bottles for a good few weeks but couldn't get into attic as DH does the ladder thingie (pathetic me, I know ) so got rid of it when my dad was here yesterday. Am lucky to have dishwasher only had it a few mths and bought it 2nd hand off a mate. Didn't realise I could just hand wash them though, might make things easier.

Also do you still boil water for them to drink? Not the bottle water but for cup etc or is tap water ok now?

DD stuck on tummy again, better go....

Hi, LO in much better form today thanks. It's just nice to see him happier again!

After his morning nap I found him trying to pull himself up in his cot - so have a question. We lowered DS's cot as soon as we got home from our holiday. But it's quite a small cot (an IKEA one) and now he is pulling himself up in it he could crack his head on the far railings if he fell backwards. I could put a bumper around nearer the top of the cot railings so it wouldn't be near his head when sleeping - is that the right thing to do with them? I have got one but have never put it in his cot yet... or should I just leave it bare and let him take the knocks?

Have also just been to Surestart and got stair gates and fire guard at cost price. Handy if you have one near you. Anyone entitled and it's even cheaper if you are on benefits.

Hi all

Just back from hv, she thinks the lump is a lypoma (sp/0 ie fatty tissue but to make an appt with the doc as she is not qualified for diagnosis.

Nathan has put on weight, but nowhere near as much as we thought, just under a pound in four weeks. it does mean he is back up the 2nd centile rather than under it, so there is an upward line, but somehow I am feeling depressed and panicky. I have this vague undestined feeling that I was never meant to have such a lovely and beautiful child and that I will not get to keep him at the same time I am typing this when the physio is impressed that he has made progress in three weeks, when he is lying on the floor with a toy giggling away, when he ate a whole pot of yogurt this morning while I was chating with mates. I am stupid, not . Or is this some sort of depression? never been depressed before. Does not help that dh stormed out to a meeting upset due to some silly argument and will probably be low when he is back, so even when I apologise (as I ought) he will be quite flat. He is also having to face the fact that his mum in Holland is now losing her short term memory (We think it is Alzheimers) which is very hard to deal with for him, so I am not sure how to cope with this feeling. I feel I am keeping my distance from Nathan (as if...) because I am scared all over again to lose him.

Sorry guys, but you are the safest place to talk about this.

MM - You should get them to do the test for PND. Apparently its more common to get it as the baby goes onto solids. In all honesty it sounds like depression I just don't know if its PND or just "depression" I'd speak to your doc.

You need to look at the positives. Yes not much on but he IS putting weight on and he's better with his physio. You will keep him and he will grow into a beautiful boy. Even more than he is now (if possible)

Speak to Doc of you think necessary but I am haunted by the sense I won't be allowed to keep Sabela. I often think of accidents etc that might happen and her weight doesn't help. I hate going to get her weighed as I feel she's fine but feel I have to too. When I aksed DH if he thought I was crazy for spending my time on a car journey wondering how best to shield her if we had a crash he said, 'o I do that all the time. I wouldn't worry'. !!!

o. Also meant to say, tiffs happen. DH and I have them all the time and I think we're very happily married.

Very tough on DH about his mother though. Must be so ahrd being abroad. I'm sure this will happen either to Jose or I one day. So difficult.

Girls I need some advice on a couple of things.

1. Learning things. DD tries to do stuff but if she can't she gets really frustrated so how do I help her? Things like crawling - she has the hands thing down and she can push herself backwards and lift herself to her knees but she can't get anywhere and gets really frustrated - how long do I leave her to try? Also rolling over - sometimes she rarely does it and other times she just starts screaming for one of us to help her. Do I ignore her? I've seen her once (only once so of course might have been a fluke but) stand up, fall over then roll over onto her stomach turn around sit up and stand up again. Yet 5 mins later she fell again and screamed. Didn't look like she hurt herself?

Food - DD has 3 meals a day but still seems hungry so I've been giving her rice cakes and carrot sticks etc is this encouraging grazing and is this bad?

I know they probably seem so trivial but I don't want to cause bad habits or stunt her development.

Lucky - HV said offer a snack in between breakfast and lunch and one between lunch and dinner. I usually give her cheese or some yoghurt or finger food. I found the second snack too much. I seemed to do nothing but feed and put her to sleep and she got totally fed up of food.

Good question about the development. I feel much the same. Like, I know she can roll and sometimes I try to remind her but she's just not interested.

Oh. Anybody got a washer dryer. I'm totally peed off with tyring to dry things in this weather. We don't have room for a separate dryer. REcommendations?

DD is becoming dependant on milk for bed so I'm trying to do dinner now around 6 and bottle at 7 ready for bed at 8 but its not working. She has her bottle at 7 and falls asleep drinking it which I keep getting told is a bad things - that she needs to go to bed awake.

As for snacks I can deal with that. I give DD a "hungry baby" bottle for sleeptime and keep getting told to give her supper instead (so 4 meals ) I'd rather stick with the bottle.

washer dryers - I keep hearing bad things about them. I'd insist you get a seperate and find room. My mum has hers on top of the other with a sturdy shelf between.

Someone will be here to tell you if there is a good one.

Ange - glad your Lo is better I would personally put something on cot till he learns to lower himself properly. Having said that i remember with DS he used to fling himself back but land on bum iyswim

LaT - Don't have washer drier. My DD doesn't seem interested in snacks and just feed 3 meals really she sometimes has snacky things for meal.

Lucky - with the crawling thing you will not hinder development she will do it when she is ready. Easier said than done I know, if I had a penny for every time I have to unroll DD i'd be a millionaire With regards to how long to leave her I can put up with a few frustrated squawks but when she launches full voice I help out. Also in terms of grazing you are giving her "good" things,it all swings in roundabouts coz I wish my DD would snack more as she would get better at feeding herself

Madmouse - sorry you feel a bit down. Me and DH have been having some screaming rows over the last mth or so, God knows what the neighbours think I would definately go to doc's, are they nice? Glad lump on nathan is ok.

Lucky - she might not be dependent on the milk but tanking herself up for the night iyswim? DD has bottle in bedroom, dim light etc before bum hits mattress, she has just gone down now and if she falls asleep (which never really happens now) I would rouse her very slightly so awake but sleepy.

Well I've just been in to plate up DD's dinner and come back and she's asleep. So she's not eaten since 5pm!. (sigh) I need help.

Will give her bottle when I go to bed with her.

Thanks for responses. Dh was really sweet when he came home and I told him about my bugaboos.

Susie looks like our lo and we ourselves have something in common . Guess it is no coincidence that we are still bf?

Hv (I met her today for the first time since moving here) is coming tomorrow. I was already on her list, but when she asked is he sitting ok (stupid question- physio just said this morning they do not need to sit until 9 months) I said well yes a bit, but because of cerebral palsy his hamstrings are a bit tight and...right she said, I think we should have a nice calm meeting to discuss this young man and his diet and everything else. So that is good.

Lucky, Your dd and my ds share the same frustration of 'yes but i want to do that what do you mean i can't'. Nathan has a psecial cry for this and I generally let him have a go for a while because he is so determined. His cry then changes from determination and frustration to being upset and then I pick him up and say 'time out'. He will then sit on my lap and say plaintive 'laaa' for a bit until he calms down.

You can help with rolling by showing them how to get their leg over, but they will get there in the end. Laying enticing toys just out of reach also works. Don't chip in to soon though because (don't say this elsewhere on mumsnet ) no child ever died from a few tears.

By the wy, it is pretty hard to stunt her development

Yeh I guessed that but I'm being PFB and all that
Your HV sounds lovely. Much better than my witches.

Awen lovely to see you hope you can hang around. I am still bf and getting the 'if only she was more independant of you now' comments

Simpson aah what a nightmare. Guess you going to have to grit your teeth. It may be a nice break Are you having christening there ? Did you get bumbo ?

Madm hope the lump turns out to be nothing , am sure it will be . LOL at life time of worrying and wonder if we will be keeping each other company at 3am waiting for them to come in Sorry to hear your feeling so anxious again. I think your whole history with Nathan will add to any concerns but i wouldn't escalate them into anything but 'normal' parent concern. I have to say i did worry much more over ds as he was me pfb but let's face it having complete responsobility for anyone is a frightening, daunting prospect that we all want to get right. Your not on your own!

Lucky hope dp helps on Wednesday then , you sound to be doing well though! How you getting on with dd's room ? I think with leaving them just gage how upset they are. Obv tears of frustration and tears of distress are v different. I often sit close to dd when she get's like this as can crawl backwards and rocks on all fours but can't go forwards. Encourage her to come to me but don't leave it to 'real' tears. As for food i feed her when she is hungry as i would do myself. I don't just eat 3 meals a day so wouldn't expect my dc's too!

Frag can understand 100% how a kitten wouldn't be a welcome present , why not a spa weekend for you two with a babysitter

Gingeme LOL at clear out of 'fridge magnets'

MrsMc suppose the postage costs can make the whole thing v.expensive what sre the baby shops like near you ? Or have you done ebay ? They sometimes get cheaper couriers ?

Ange dd has a cot bumper too and has saved many head bumps whilst i in shower etc.

La Trucha i ahve seperate washer/dryer so no help sorry but have heard it being noghtmare if one goes whole thing buggered albeit my dryer a godsend with this awful weather.

Well dd doing well she crawling backwards , we moving everything from handreach as she nearly pulled ds football trophy on her head . She eats anything we do so blw going great here. The bf still full on too so happy with around 4 hourly intervals at bedtime!
Luckily ds back at school and dd1 back at pre school tom so bit more normality again. Dp has started new job and has to work from home studying for next few weeks welcome to my world!

Sorry if missed anyone take care