June 2008 - The Olympics are here and Mums deserve gold medals

[ThePenguinProject]

Thought I'd start a new thread before we ran out of space! Couldn't remember the exact name suggestion so have paraphrased, the sentiment is still the same though...

josey sorry you are feeling so down..you've done amazingly in teh circs and sounds like everything you are feeling is completely reasomable in circs.I imagine today particularly tough as you're waiting on the eeg results.

To help answer your questions, edie is not quite as clever as olivia on her tummy. will prop herself up on arms but cant roll over yet.

the hand/eye thing also a bit hit and miss with edie although she can follow stuff she is interested in (her bottle principally ..) with her eyes she she wants to.

She does smile initially at you (Esp in mornign when wants food) but doesnt do it everytime she sees me (more with dh etc). Hope this helps - the horrible thing about this is its all relative/different anyway so difficult to tell what is just general development and what might be an issue.

josey - Olivia compares fine in some areas with Fraser. She's ahead on the rolling and tummy time by far! Fraser is really frantic on his belly and can't figure out that he can support himself with his arms. He just lies there and smacks his nose against the blanket. He can find his mouth with his hands, but only recently and I can see him really trying to figure out his hands this week.

Fraser hardly cried at his injections at all either as he was asleep at the time. I don't think it's that painful for the little ones.

Anyways, I hope that makes you feel a bit better. It's impossible to compare between kids anyways but it seems like Olivia is steadily developing and that has to be a real positive sign.

What time are you going for her results tomorrow? Do you want to meet up before or afterwards?

and re crying at jabs, my dad (who is gp) is firmly of opinion that an unstressed mother/parent with the baby makes for a relaxed baby who is less likely to cry (ie its not a given that babies have to cry when have injections).

out of interest aberdeen/josey how often do you do tummy time? edie hates it ...her biggest tummy time is when she tries to climb her mother to root..

thanks guys, this is why I find it so hard how can they tell me she wont do anything or be delayed then she goes and does all this, Im almost scared of her developing IYKWIM then in the next instance I want her to be 15 and giving me bucket loads of cheek!!

Thanks AH I just have to go to Inverurie tomorrow-if we get a nice day later on in the week would you like to meet and go to Hazelhead or something? DD was taking about your Ds yesterday just out of the blue "my friend X and he has a brother like my sister blablah" I laughed at the friend bit after she was sooo awful to him!!

Poppy my GP did also say the same and said it depends how good the nurse is at her job she did at least twitch her legs, she is probably immune to needles though.

I do tummy time at least twice a day, but I have to for physio...when I do it at massage time after her bath she does let out a yelp....just do it for 5mins or so, even if you lie down with lo on your chest this will help strenghen things....My DD1 hated being on her tummy so I never put her on it, she was far more delayed than DS and DD2!

if tummy time counts as time on me then she gets loads..always wriggles over to lie on her tummy on me (has done it as we speak).

Joseygood point re nurse... and given what a little fighter she is why would she waste good reactions on anything so mundane as standard injections ? really hope that get some answers tomorrow

poppy - I try to do tummy time every day but it's normally only for a minute or so as F cries so much during it! I do try to let F lie on my tummy too, but then he just sleeps!!

josey - definitely interested in meeting up later this week. I could meet you at Hazelhead or if it's crap weather I could come out to Hoodles in the morning (afternoons I've got D in nursery so it's not as good for me).

A tip from the new found physio expert lol!! if they dont like tummy time as they dont have the strenght for there heads apply pressure with your hand on the bum and watch those heads raise

AH sounds good, Im free all week in the mornings, hopefully this rain will "bide awa" later in the week for some much needed fresh air.

I got an implant today and my arm is starting to hurt now the numbness is wearing off. Ive never had one before apparently it should help with my 10day periods

I don't do tummy time unless ds is tummy to tummy wioth me. I was the same with the girls, I figured if they wanted tummy time they would roll over to thier front which they did at 2 and three months.

Josey Olivia sounds like she is making progress. DS wimpered a bit when he had his first set of jabs. The dd's had the mmr at the same time, DD1 was fine but DD2 threw herself on the floor!

Just putting myself on the list...

NEENZTWINS - twins; Theo Isaac 6lb 2oz and Esther Elizabeth 4lb 8oz; born May 6
MAKECAKES - baby girl; Cecily Jean Olivia born 18/05/08 7lbs 1oz
GOINGFOR3 - Baby Boy; Harvey born 20/05/08 9lb 9oz
KATYJO - Baby Girl; Mia born 24/5/08 7lb 11oz
PAROFLEURMAPU - Baby Girl; Fleur born 30/05/08 6lb 7oz VB(just!!) GRAN CANARIA
GREENFAIRY - Baby Girl; Storm Josephine Frances, born 01/06/08 6lb 7oz
MAMAWIZZ - Baby Boy; Caspar Ptolemy, born 02/06/08 via VB, 8lb. DS1 2.5. SW LONDON
TJUICE - Baby Girl; Elodie Summer, born 03/06/08 7 lb
JOSEY - Baby Girl; Olivia Margaret born 4/06/08 8lb 15oz
ABERDEENHIKER - Baby Boy; Fraser Neil born 7/06/08 9lbs
LORETTAH - Baby Boy; Harry Joseph born 8/06/08
SYBILVIMES - Baby boy; James Dominic born 11/06/08,8lbs 2oz
SYSTEMSADDICT - baby girl; Caitlin Rose; born 11/06/08; 7 lbs 11 oz
AMPSTER - baby boy; Jeremiah James; born 12/06/08; 7lbs 7oz; DS1; STOCKHOLM
NEEDAHAND - baby boy, SJ, 11/06/08. 8lbs4
DYLANSMUMPLUSONE - baby girl; Anwyn Crystal Anne born 14/6/08 7lbs 15oz
SPONGEBRAINBIGPANTS - boy, Alexander Peter John; born 15/06/08; 7lbs 3 ozs
ROLF - baby girl; Theodora; born 15/06/08; 8lb 9oz
AMBERC - boy, Luke Joseph; born 15/06/08; 8lb 12oz
ESSIE3 - baby boy; Iestyn Seiriol; born 16/06/08 6lb 1oz
HOGGLE - baby boy; Adam Alexander; born 16/06/08 8lb 8oz
DEBINAUSTRIA - baby boy; Ethan; born 17/06/08; 10lb 1oz; ds1 8;ds2 6; AUSTRIA
ALIPALLI - baby boy; Peter Bryce; born 17/06/08; 9lb 13oz
ISAIDNO - baby girl; Poppy Elizabeth; born 18 / 6/ 08; 6lb 4oz
JOSIE57 - baby girl; Emma Caitlin born 18/06/08 7lb 3oz
SOPHIEWD - baby boy; Sebastian Wilfrid Joseph; born 19/06/08; 8lb 5.5oz
LOONEYTUNE - baby boy; Joshua James; born 19/06/08; 7lb 11.5oz
PUDDOCK - baby boy; Peter; born 21/06/08; 7lb 15oz (waterbirth); LONDON
MELLYMELL - baby boy: Thomas Harry; born 21/6/08: 9lb 9oz
LIBRALADY - baby boy; Luke Thomas Jacob; born 23/6/08 via VB; 6lb 4oz DS1 4.4 DORSET
THEPENGUINPROJECT - baby boy; Ryder Henry; born 23/6/08; 8lb 9oz
HEDGEHOG1979 - baby boy; Isaac John; 24/06/08; 8lb
POPPY34- baby girl: Edith, born 26/6/08, 7lb 6oz
JIVEGIRL- baby girl; Charlotte, born 26/6/08, 7lb 14oz
UPSIDEDOWNCAKE - baby girl; Dorothy Wijnanda Ann - 28/06/086; lbs 7 oz; SW London; one other son, Christian, born 20/11/05
KTPIE - baby boy; Jonathan; born 02/07/08; 9lb 2.5oz
ALLNEW - baby boy; Alexander; born 02/07/08; 8lb 9oz
FUNGLE - baby girl Isla Rose born 2/7/08; 7lb 7oz
LAURAT - baby girl; Charlotte Helen; born 06/07/08; 8lb 0oz
BITOFADRAMAQUEEN - boy; Struan; 06/07/08 8lb 6oz
HELLBELL- boy; Ned, 9lb 7oz, 07/07/08
WHINEGUMS - boy; Barnaby Henry, 8lb 12oz 07/07/08

J doesn't do anywhere near as well as that on his tummy Josey. Actually he either screams until I move him or falls asleep and then I move him as am scared he'll smother himself.

Remember a couple of weeks ago when I was moaning because it was too hot and sunny? Well, does anyone mind if I now moan because it is too grey and cold? It is August for god's sake - why can't we have warm and pleasant just for a few day!!!

Plenty of tummy time here, it's the back time that Peter won't co-operate with. Which means sleeping in his chair, on our chests, or sideways on alongside me if we've been feeding lying down... he has yet to spend more than a few minutes in the cot

josey don't beat yourself up - if you didn't have down days you wouldn't be human!
olivia's rolling v impressive. she's one day older than storm and storm is nowhere near that stage. storm also struggles to get her thumb in her mouth so maybe this isn't as significant as you think?

storm is asleep in her vibrating chair and I just hope the batteries hold out for her to get an hour or two - she's not slept so well today. she's brilliant normally, but if she doesn't get her proper morning nap then she gets really awful in the evening. i think the hungry baby formula may be giving her bad wind as she was crying in her sleep this morning and kept waking up... just can't bloody win!

amber lol@your diver comment! i am LOVING the swimming for much the same reason although i actually swim (or should that be swam ) a lot so i do have some level of genuine interest.

DM has told DH she's worried i'm not getting out enough . easy for her to say! but i do spend a lot of time just in the house - feeding takes so long (another hour and a half sesh this afternoon)that there's not much time to do stuff. BUT have resolved to plan to do something every other day - there's so much in Bristol to see it seems a waste with all this time "off".

am going to try breast compression for the next feed - hope it will help...

josey, really sorry to hear you're feeling so down - I know you've got your hands full with your 3 DCs, but is there any chance you can have some counselling to talk through your feelings surrounding Olivia's birth and your worries for her future, etc? It doesn't work for everyone, but it might give you a chance to vent.

As for milestones, Alex can push himself up on his hands but certainly can't roll over.

I have made a donation to James, but couldn't find anywhere to leave a message for him - is there a message board just for his jump? If not, then pass on my good luck wishes to him - hope he enjoys it and raises lots of money for a good cause too.

Love the photos on the site btw.

Sorry not been around for a while - I have been out partying.... because my babies slept through the night THE LAST THREE NIGHTS!!!! [gri n]

(I haven't really been partying but I have felt like it.)

Theo has been sleeping through (11-7) since 11 weeks but esther is now too, now that she is over her hernia op fully. They are 14 weeks old tomorrow.

Is it true that they can roll over at 3 months?

Hi Neenz, that's wonderful news! Alex is now sleeping through 10-5.30am and it makes such a difference to my sanity, so both of them doing it must be wonderful! Good to hear that Esther is over her op now too.

Babies start to turn themselves front to back from 8 - 12 weeks and then back to front (which obviously takes alot more work!) from about 5 - 6 months.

Then we won't be able to take our eyes off them for fear they'll roll somewhere they shouldn't!

Oh dear god - I don't understand how anyone's LOs didn't cry for their injections as the needle they stuck in his leg was half the width of his thigh and they put it in the whole length! I guess it's the equivalent of us having a four inch needle shoved in our legs. Poor Luke screamed like i'd never heard him - properly in pain. It made me cry my eyes out the nurse said a lot of first time mummies cry. They pretty much had to force me to make an appointment for the next ones. I am dreading it. He's been a nightmare or the rest of the day screaming non stop and I had to get DP home early to help me as I was going mad as he was inconsolable. He's only just gone to sleep today for the first time. He should sleep the whole night through (which would be typical as the night nanny is coming). What a dreadful day.

josey Olivia is massively advanced in rolling over! I thought they did that at 5 months!! Luke is very strong and can do mini press ups on his front . His sticks his hands in his mouth all the time - not sure if that's what you meant - but he would rather lick his fingers now than have his dummy! He does it for comfort.

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Amber, poor you and poor Luke - now I'm dreading tomorrow even more. Alex's appt is at 4.30pm so he's going to be hard to get to sleep tomorrow night if he's still in pain .

Did you use calpol? Did it help at all?

Dh is coming with me and is working in the office on Wednesday so could always stay home if need be.

Poor little mite.

Josey - great to hear from you. Sorry you're finding it hard right now. Re: push ups, Ryder can do it for a short spells but isn't even close to rolling over (he's 7 weeks today). Think he tried to do more press ups today to impress a pretty 6 month year old at NCT coffee morning....she was hanging out with the older boys though so he didn't really stand a chance.

Whilst we were still in hospital R was having heel pricks two or three times a day and often didn't cry, still doesn't. Poppy - I think he smiles more when he wants something such as feeding too!

Neenz - Party on!

Good day here today, which is very impressive because the last few Mondays have been pretty bad - I'd assumed it was due to the come down from the excitement of the weekend.... Perhaps this weekend was too dull.

amber poor you and luke - I cried as well - it was weirdly instantaneous - i felt overwhelmed with sadness for my little one.
if you struggle to get the calpol in you can use a syringe from the chemist - storm just spits it back out if you put it on a spoon!
I squirt it in a bit at a time and then hold her chin shut - she writhes and hates it but normally goes to sleep five minutes later

neenz v at the sleeping through - but obviously pleased for you! if you have time, could you give us an idea of your routine? am curious as to how you have got them sorted - and am v [happy] that esther has recovered well from her op.

sponge deffo use the calpol - you may have to force it in but it's worth it... good luck tomorrow.
ok, storm still asleep - DH and I having dinner together for once!
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I used Calpol with a syringe and he liked the taste of it (he likes Infacol too but hates gripe water). Thing is I think it's more of the shock than the pain in their little legs. If Luke is woken suddenly by a loud nise I can't get him back to sleep properly for the rest of the day - he's very jittery.

I'd like to read anyone's routine who gets their babies to sleep through. Luke can do 8 till 11.30 and 12 till 4 on a good day but that's not sleeping through!! Then he wakes at 6.30 and wants to get up. He also wants to play and at 6.30 it's hard to be enthusiastic at this little piggy!

Josey, good to hear from you and sorry that you're feeling down. Dorothy hates tummy time so I tend to avoid it for her, though I put her on my somtimes. It sounds like Olivia's doing really well.

Neenz, fantastic news re sleeping through.

Well, we have had a shit day. Dorothy has been really unsettled all day, and burping like a trooper - as am I. I can only conclude it's something I've eaten. She has only just gone to sleep now, instead of her normal 7.30, and she'll wnat feeding again at 10.30, at which point it will all start again.

Try having one baby get jabbed by those big needles... and then having to go through it all again with his twin! It is not so bad, really. Yes it must really hurt but life's tough - they have to get used to it . We used Calpol after their 8-week injections (no it didn't work, they still didn't sleep) but didn't need to use anything after the 12-week ones, they slept really well after those ones.

Greenfairy, I think the key to sleeping through is getting enough food into them during the day and not letting them sleep too much in the afternoon. I feed mine at 7.30am, 10.30am, 1.30, 4, 6 and 10 (and any other times they demand it - the more food the better IMO). They sleep from about 9-10.30, 11.30-1, one or two half-hour naps in the afternoon and then off and on between 6 and 10 (haven't managed to get them to sleep soundly 6-10 yet). When we get back from our hols at the end of the month we are going to crack 6-10. At the mo we bring them downstairs when they wake up and they just sit happily in their bouncy chairs till their 10pm feed, but we need them to go to bed and stay there, so we can enjoy some time together.

I was doing Gina Ford but found it impossible to keep them awake when she said, so I just spent a week letting them sleep whenever they wanted (except for feed times) and writing it down.

Hey Josey - you are not a bad mum, you are a great mum and Olivia is lucky to have you. She is already doing more than the docs said she would so keep your spirits up. When I was at the osteopath there was a boy with cerebral palsy being treated and his grandparents said it had done him the world of good. Perhaps it could help Olivia?

Hello everyone . Haven't been on for ages. it's great to have all the children at home but rather full on and doesn't leave much time for mumsnet. Thea is still doing well. We saw our lovely midwife today for the first time in ages (I was giving her a present!) and it made me realise how quickly the time is going. Can't believe all these babies are 2 months old!

Josey - none of my children ever rolled over - not until they were so mobile anyway that it didn't really mean anything. So I'm very impressed at Olivia. Sorry you're feeling down. My (amateur) instinctive thought is that it's much better to cry and feel sad, rather than bottling it all up whilst you carry on keeping the show on the road. Counselling can be a good way of giving yourself a set time to let out all your worries. I hope you're able to find some coping strategy that works for you.