June 08 babies - I know there's a few of us about!

[isaidno]

Thought I'd start a thread inbetween breastfeeding, laundry and bossing DH about tyo do stuff!

Let's make a list of members!

ISAIDNO - baby girl; Poppy Elizabeth; born 18 / 6/ 08; 6lb 4oz

mamawizz - I just read the first bit of your post about the supermum days and missed the bit about the bad days and was absolutely amazed (and jealous) for a second. I know exactly what you mean, some days are so much better than others!

Today is definitely a bad day - Fraser was up every three hours last night and then I forgot to go to his injections appt this morning and had to cry on the phone to the nurse to get her to squeeze him in at lunchtime. We're going away for a month in October so I needed to get it done this week in order to be finished the set before we leave.

Amber, wear earplugs! seriously. I do and I sleep so much better.

fungle - sending hugs, sounds like you're having a rough day!

Sarahpo - in my experience, the fatigue you're describing is perfectly normal. It does get better slowly, I promise!

alipalli, I've always found that I needed two lots of EBM for every feed. I assume it's because my boys are twice as efficient as the pump in getting milk (that reads like I'm still feeding DS1 but I can't figure out how to rephrase it!). I'm getting about 2-3 oz each morning that I pump.

bitofadramaqueen - bad timing! I just gave in (was hoping to manage with a hand pump) and bought a medela pump on the weekend, too bad I couldn't have bought yours off you!

Hello thanks for the posts re: tiredness think i might be anemic also forgot to add that i am very weepy and seem to cry at the drop of a hat :-( i have had the baby blues already and now i am four weeks post partum so i think i should be picking up by now...hmmm anyway might post on the mental health thread as well thanks
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Evening all.

Deb at people#s insensitivity!

aberdeen - what a shame. Tis a good pump though so I'm sure you'll get your money's worth.

Am exhausted today and my back is killing me! Anyone else been suffering with backache? HAven't been doing the exercises for my seperated stomach muscles either and generally feeling like a wreck.

bdq yes..back aching as weight of dd just too much..am trying to bend knees etc but they just ache too..basically I need to take some tips from the olympic shot putters

and sarahpo tiredness normal..am ok if have ok night but wiped out if don't so am still a bit up and down...

and feeling so mcuh better as still battling re routine.. and not seeing much of it (she is 6 weeks today)..have rough pattern but nothing that happens reliably every day..and as for evenings..she is not so bad as she was every night but the chances of getting bedtime routine established early on are not happenign

Greenfairy, thank you for posting about thrush - did you find Storm was more fussy during treatment? B has been 'off' today - hasn't had a proper nap until now, and hasn't been eating as much either. I'm hoping he's as knackered as me, and will have a good kip now!

DQ, ta for comments on Milton - have been using it, and it's fine actually. And good that you can leave stuff for 24 hours - microwave sterilised stuff is to be used within 3.

Needahand, B would also stay on the breast permanently, he's just a sucky baby - thank god for dummies! Oddly he hates the Tommee Tippee ones, but quite happy with the bottles for EBM; he likes mam dummies. Might be worth experimenting with different makes for those of you who want to try dummies but LOs don't.

Sarah and others, surely the tiredness is normal??? I am done in today, and achey - would love a big massage or something. Oh well.

I made it out with my best mate last night, and lasted almost 3 hours and 3 glasses of wine. What a lightweight! Our evening was livened up by spotting the actor who was Mr Wickham in the BBC version of Pride and Prejudice. Yes, this is what excites me these days....

Whinegums Iestyn is another one who refuses the TT dummes - he actually gags! He takes Avent ones though, and also my favourite - MAM ones. (They're expensive, and Waitrose stocks them so they're clearly Posh Superior Dummies.)

And Needahand Iestyn is a speedy feeder, 15 mins, sometimes both breast (not both in 15 mins!). I discussed this with my bf guru (Sharon Breward) because I went out with other bf mums and Iestyn was done in half the time and I worried that I wasn't feeding him enough etc. But she asked whether I was a speedy person, i.e. up and about, not sitting still for long. Yes I am, so she said biology had matched us and made him speedy because sitting around bfing for 40 mins would be the end of me.

That might not help you, though!

Essie, Alipali and PP Thanks for a great afternoon today, thank god Luke wasn't a monster this time - so nice to meet your little ones too!

essie thats interesting what your guru says but makes me feel better.. edie doesn't waste her time with feedign with either generally..why do that when there are so many other ways to wind your parents up ?

Hi Amber - had a great time this afternoon, must do it again! I was really impressed with Wagamama too. (Not generally, I mean, I had been there before, but impressed by them dealing with 4 prams and breastfeeding!)

DP keeps asking me about letdown - he thinks it happens every time a baby cries somewhere. (Not necessarily!) So there was a baby crying on TV just now and he wanted to know if I had a letdown - no. But he was thrilled to hear that it happened when I said hello to you three with prams!!

I then adventured to Oxford street (after spending 20 mins trying to find various lifts in London Bridge). I thought I was mega brave! Went to Bond Street tube, John Lewis, H&M, and back via South Molton Street. Lovely! And not too bad really - Iestyn behaved well, slept a lot and didn't cry too much. I woke him for a feed in JL (convenient for me ), in the cafe; he sicked it up. Then I found the feeding area... And of course, he was starving by the time we got to H&M!!

debs so sorry about your friend

whinegums storm has, unusually, been a complete nightmare for long periods since starting her treatment for thrush. assuming you've got the mouth gel, i find she tolerates it more if I give it five to ten minutes after a feed rather than straight away - that way she gets to have the yum BM taste for at least a while. She's got better at taking it as time has gone on (one week down, one to go) and spits less out, but is also much more fractious and hard to settle, and sleeping very poorly.

on top of that, believe it or not she is teething . There is a teeny pointy tooth coming through half way along her gum line. At first I thought it was the thrush but it is quite hard and obviously a tooth and she is very drooly at the mo. At almost 10 weeks it's not impossible, but the timing is awful. Normally she sleeps well during her morning nap, but today she only napped during feeds for up to 15 mins at a time and finally went to sleep on my lap two hours ago having been mostly up for 12 hours... Only just managed to reposition the cushion on our bed and free up my hands!

re long feeders am so glad a couple of you have mentioned this today - I thought I was the only one and am really suffering with it. Storm is a mega long feeder, taking over an hour to feed every time and sometimes two hours or more... She comes on and off a lot, latches well for only a minute or so before popping off despite all my efforts at a textbook latch, and it is an absolute nightmare. If it doesn't improve I've decided to stop BF at three months as I can't take much more. I totted up and yesterday I spent NINE AND A HALF HOURS BREASTFEEDING - over five feeds. I am utterly exhausted and fed up with it - in every other way she is normally an angel, but it's getting too much for me and her feeding seems to be taking longer and longer, when it should be getting more efficient - although that may be the thrush and the teething

Am going to go out and buy every dummy I can tomorrow, as she doesn't like the Mam ones I got her originally. She also mostly refuses a bottle now - I think it's the thing of wanting to suck but not wanting the milk which someone mentioned, rather than actually wanting milk the whole time.

new tip when I couldn't get her to stop rootling this evening, but she'd already fed and I'd just given her her medecine I gave her the crook of my little finger to suck. I thought she'd get frustrated with the lack of milk but she sucked for a good 20 mins. She tries to suck her thumb but it's too small to give her much satisfaction.

Ok, need to go eat something. These last ten days really have been awful - hope some of you are bearing up better than me!

Essie at our LOs and their preference for 'posh superior dummies.' Funnily enough, B is also a quick feeder, I too would go nuts if he took ages. He would stay on if I let him, but he just sort of nuzzles after he's fed.

Have just had about 2 hours sleep and B is still flat out - feel loads better, but am ready for bed now!

London dwellers, sounds like you had a good meet up. I have braved Glasgow city centre twice with B in tow, but it's no fun really. Much prefer the shopping centre near us - lots of parent and child parking, and excellent facilities - two feeding rooms, changing rooms with proper mats, etc. Of course I never noticed how difficult city centre shopping was with babe in tow until now!

whinegums would that be braehead?

Welcome to Mammawhiz - I too have a toddler and Mia is 10 weeks and some days are very hard!!

Sarahpo ask your GP to check all your blood levels, try to sleep as often as you can. I think 4-6 weeks id the hardest period it gets much better when they start becoming more predictable and you are able to fall asleep at the drop of a hat.

I have been having terrible trouble with bf. Mia had iv antibiotics at 8 days old followed by a course of oral ab she had been feeding and gaining weight well until then. She got to about 3 weeks and the feeding went haywire, I had really sore breasts and she kept crying and pulling off during feeds. I phoned the hv at 3.5 weeks (as noone had been to see us or called to make an appointment after the initial visit - Ggrrrr) She came out said there was nothing wrong with my latch and helped try to reduce friction (ie don't touch baby's head, don't lift breast etc...). The pain just kept getting worse so I had researched on the internet and decided I might have thrush, which dr confirmed and we treated. My nipples took a long time to recover and to cut a long story short half of Glasgow have seen my breasts and I have had some really duff advice from supposedly trained bfc etc. I finally found a wonderful breast feeding support nurse who runs a support group she took one look at my nipples and said Mia had been clamping my nipples, she also thought she was sensitive to dairy and I had a strong let-down. Mia has been really anxious about feeding (probably because I am) so I have been expressing and giving her quite a few bottles. I have my fingers crossed that things will carry on improving. I fed my ds until he was 14months and really hope I can do the same for Mia.
Sorry for the huge post needed to get it all off my chest!

very jealous of all these meet ups - can't believe Libra and Sophie meeting up, how did you realise who the other one was, I don't suppose you introduced yourself as Libralady?

TGF 0 9.5 hours - how on earth are you coping?

I don't know how you ladies find the time to post so much. By the evening I am frazzled and it's as much as I can do to read the thread let alone post.

A very generic hello to everyone and hope everyone is doing OK.

disney what a shocker but as you said the main thing is everyone is OK. Sorry about your beamer though.

Well I went to bed at 10pm last night and DH did the last feed. To say I was surprised when L had me up at 5am is a bit of an understatement. I actually feel refreshed from having nearly 7 hours sleep! Anyway is he now fed and sleeping contentedly in his moses basket in his own room! Needless to say I am now wide awake from having had so much sleep.

We bit the bullet on Wednesday after having had some horrendous nights. If we couldn't get L settled after his last feed I was so concerned about him keeping DH awake I would bring him downstairs and he would sleep in his pram and I would sleep on the sofa after a lengthy cuddle session. So we made the decision to put him in his own room. The last 2 nights have been a dream. He is only in the room next door and we do have one of those Angel monitors that senses movement as well as being able to hear him but I have definately slept better as has L. We've got a musical mobile on his cot with a light that shines on the ceiling with stars and moons and he is fascinated by it and sends him straight off to sleep.

Really couldn't believe yesterday bumping into sophie. We just got chatting as all us mums tend to do especailly around newborns, and when she mentioned she ran a B&B and I heard her call Edie, I put 2 & 2 together and asked if she was from Lulworth. When she confirmed I asked her if she was Sophie and she said yes and guessed I was Libralady.
The fact that we were in the same area of the park at the same time is unbelievable.

Anyhow, we're planning on meeting up again in the near future and hopefully I'll get to meet Basil. He was at home being looked after by Daddy whilst I am presuming Sophie had some quality time with Edie.

I wish we could do this as although Sam is good most of the time, I do feel he is being left out whilst Luke takes up so much of my time. I do feel I need to spend some more 1:1 time with him, without the distraction of LO. DH is off in a couple of weeks so I'll see what I can do then.

Typical, I am refreshed and raring to go and the housework needs doing, but I daren;t as everyone is upstairs asleep. May have a peep and see what's happened in Big Brother. Sad I know but I've been recording it and watching it when I've been up at night with LO. Wouldn't dare have it on when Sam is around due to the actions and language of the housemates, but it's given me something to focus on to keep me awake during the night with L when needed. I'm sad I know

Can't believe I've admitted to watching BB
Anyhow with the start of the Olympics today I will be watching that during the night feeds instead.

Hopefully my Mum will be coming home from hospital today. She's had a bit of a rough ride of it, with her blood pressure being really low since the operation, so she hasn't been as mobile as they'd hoped. She's spent a great deal of time on oxygen and a drip to rehydrate her. Anyhow, yesterday she was nauseaous (sp?) and suffering from sweats. I was worried about infection, but her temperature was normal and her blood pressure was stabilising. Her coming home today ios dependant on how well she copes with the stair test.
I hope she does come home so I can see her. I got told off on Tuesday when I visited as 'we don't allow children under 1 year to visit'.
To which I responded 'If you had better visiting times then I could arrange childcare but as it is tough'!
The visiting times are only 2-3pm and 7-8pm. With DH working the hours he does, MIL & FIL ill with cancer and my Dad visiting my Mum also, I have no-one to leave the children with. They relented anyway but as a result I haven't been back. I wouldn't mind but she has a private room, Luke is asleep in his car seat so where is the problem?
And the fact that visiting is restricted to an hour, why do they insist on coming in to take 'obs' change sheets and clean up during that time. By the time all this had been done we were left with only 25 minutes with my Mum when no-one else was in the room. It was like Picadilly Circus at times. Maybe I am being unreasonable but they'd got my goat up at the start.

libralady - that really sucks re the hospital. Hope you get to see your mum soon.

S also has mam dummy. I just picked it at random because it had the FSID logo on it [marketing man's dream customer emoticon] but my DH always says I can pick the most expensive item at a 100 paces.

Which is your local shopping centre Whinegums? Glad you got on ok with the milton.

Oh dear, S now awake so anything else will have to wait till later!

Libra - hope mum gets to come home today best of luck!

Had hardly any sleep again last night. After moving Luke to the big cot to stop him getting stuck in the railings only to find he got stuck in the new railings anyway, we bought padded bumpers to go around the egdes to cover the rails and a plastic thingy that cuts the cot in two so it's smaller so he can't travel up the cot and off the breathing monitor (false alarms every night!). Woke up to howls last night and couldn't believe it when I saw an entire leg sticking out of the railings where he had found the one bit where there was a gap in the bumpers (where the two joined together). Why???????!!!!!!!!

Got my first period today at 7.5 weeks and non breast feeding. I must say I do actualy feel normal again now it's here. Will use up some of my mountain of maternity pads - assume you can use them for this purpose!

Got three excellent new things - new car (for me to learn in), new cars seat for nipper - Jane Strata - excellent for newborns and best of all and all singing all dancing enormous air conditioning machine for my greenhouse of a flat - hurrah!

Read some of the bereavement thread last night - I don't know why. Made me sob - DP came in and asked me what was wrong and I just pointed to the screen. Made me realise that as much as Luke drives me crazy sometimes, I would lay down my own life for him.

I'm back. Popped him in the sling (being very careful to avoid catches!) and he's asleep again.

Sorry you didn't get much sleep amber. Libralady - that mobile sounds good. Will have to bear that in mind when S goes in his own room. Although have to say he's not disturbing my sleep too much - I slept right through a feed that DH got up to give him

Greenfairy at teething. Sorry to hear you've had a rough few days so hope things improve.

Poppy I know what you mean re: bedtime routine. S's feeding is now in a bit of a pattern (there are some benefits to FF I guess!) but no chance of settling him down. We are still maintaining a bath or top and tail at 'bedtime' though so that's at least one habit started.

Today is my first non-expressing day - wish me luck and pain-free boobs!

Update here. It seems that the feeding only 15/20minutes per breast worked yesterday as SJ slept from 9.00pm to 3.00am. I had the night off anyway and feel just about human again.

g43 I think SJ is like your DS, he seems to want to suck but get frustrated at breast. Yesterday when I didn't leave him so long he seemed more settle, watch this space

debs thanks for the advice too. I did once fall asleep when feeding lying down (I usually try to resist the urge) and when I woke up, SJ was still sucking!

libra ans sophie how funny you met by accident. Talk about a small world! You know what it means though Sophie! You cannot escape the power of mumsnet even if you wanted to!!

sarah definitely sound like anemia. The weepiness is probably linked to tiredness but you never know, might be worth checking, could be the onset of PND?

GF poor you, it is one thing after the other! Selfishly I found it reassuring that I am not the only one with a sucky baby that takes ages!. Before I started to limit the feed, I reckon I spent about 8 hours a day bf too! Not as long as you, but obviously long enough for me!

Right off to Bristol to view more houses. I hope we find one that is suitable this time (and that if we are interested the landlord would bother replying!)

oh and perhaps someone (one of you who still has a few brain cells left unlike me) should start thinking of a new thread name, my preivous post was 947 so I guess we'll run out of space soon

TGF - 9.5 hours is mammoth, no one could keep that up! I'm surprised Storm can stomach that much breast milk. Have you thought of trying to limit her as she is surely not feeding consistently for the whole time? (obviously check that out with a bf professional before doing it as may be world's most stupid suggestion!) It would be such a shame though to have to stop because of it when you are both doing so well.

BDQ - I had separated stomach muscles too, 5 fingers worth and finally got my physio through last week only to find they had gone back together on their own. I think it was pushing the pram up and down hills on the school run that did it. Apparently though you shouldn't do the hoovering as than can pull them further apart.

What's that about stomach muscles? Mine were ripped apart in my c section - should I be doing something (or not doing something) ti get things back again?

Morning all - well, there's some morning left! I've been arseing around really achieving very little. I'll claim tiredness after yesterday... Oh, incidentally - and - I bought what I thought was a bf top yesterday, really nice colour and all. I've realised this morning that it isn't bf but a pregnancy top...and it's not baggy on me!!! Stomach muscles...yeah, I used to have some!

Greenfairy the avent dummies are good too, and Tommee Tippee do ones that are supposed to mimic a real nipple (!! you should hear DH's opinion on that!) but they're clearly not authentic enough for Iestyn, the breast boy.
Katyjo totally misread your post and thought you were insulting greenfairy calling her 'bra head'. Unusual...! I think I have a case of that...

Thread title - I was going to suggest something like 'surfing the poonami' but given the reaction to Penguin's temporary name it might not be loved by all. It's all toilet talk here!