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largeginandtonic · 21/05/2008 10:20

Here we go ladies.

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AprilMeadow · 15/06/2008 10:25

Dh had his lie in and then was pounced on by the dc's with cards and pressies, followed by sausage and bacon sarnies.

Have sorted out the dvd's this morning ready for taking to the new place, have only left the kiddies ones here - the lounge looks better just by doing that!

Bought Ella a Skuttle bug yesterday as Jack has one but wont let her use it - they both look very cute broomming around the lounge. I cant believe how many things E can do now, like getting on and off bikes/ride ons. It is very scary how she is growing up and seems less like a baby each week.

TillyScoutsmum · 15/06/2008 10:37

MJB - good luck with the smoking - I stopped for 18 months (when pg and bf'ing) but we've both slipped back into it the last few months. We're stopping again today (but have had lots of failed attempts). Are you going cold turkey or have you got patches or something ?

Sorry to hear about the chooks

Luos - thanks for the offer re:favours but we aren't having a sit down do (just a piss up drinks party) so have been able to cut back on lots of stuff.

Have a good day everyone x

Madamejaffa · 15/06/2008 10:37

It's great, we are doing fab! I know it's going to be soooooo tough, I'm sure once the novelty wears off of our new task it will become the hardest. At the moment though I think we feel fine! I am going to be THE WORST anti-smoker though when I've cracked it, I know...lol Worried about the food tasting better tbh, tastes pretty good already to me.....

Happy fathers day Daddys.

Lups...hope you'll be Ok without dp, sorry not a buggy guru me? Shame about your mobile.

Cam

Madamejaffa · 15/06/2008 10:47

Tilly, we have the tablets....Champix, cost us a flippin fortune but it will still be far better in the long run. They have the best results apparently if you take the full 3mth course. It is the very first time we have attempted to stop and we wanted to give ourselves the best chance on our first shot. Not sure we could do cold turkey tbh. I'd like to believe that we would never go back now, but it's surprising how many people do slip back. Lets do it together tilly if you are stopping again today.

Thanks for all your support, I really appriciate it, it helps me alot with things like this so I appologise now if you get sick of me posting..... "I need a cigy", please tell me what to do with those sticks!

TillyScoutsmum · 15/06/2008 13:25

Definitely MJ -We'll do it together. I have to stop. I want to stop. I've had a hideous chesty cough that refuses to go away and I'm sure the cigs aren't helping. I sound like a 90 year old who's smoked Woodbines her whole life. Tis disgusting

largeginandtonic · 15/06/2008 14:35

Well done on the non smoking! Just think of the kids, there has been a huge campaign here about children copying their parents. The advert is chilling. We are all here for you. DH used to smoke when we got together.

He was in for a as on our first nights out together i wouldnt go near him if he had had a cig. I hate it. I told him there was no future for us if he smoked. He gave it up straight away

Cam of the al fresco brekkie with the lions!!! The benefits of living in another country seem endless sometimes. Lucky kiddies.

AM glad the kitchen is done, kitchens and bathrooms are the worst. It is amazing what a difference it makes when it's done though. You sound very organised, as usual!

The kids have sent dh a Fathers day email Not quite as much fun as making him brekkie in bed and pouncing on him!They have their cards ready for when he comes home on Friday.

Lups good luck with the bargaining!

Jam senditnow are fantastic. It will cost you £12 max! They are very reliable and cheap. Have you seen the new Phil and Ted buggy? Not the Vibe THE DASH It looks fab!

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JamInMyWellies · 15/06/2008 15:10

thanks LG&T, do like the dash but having checked out the stats the vibe is lighter and the seats are slighlty wider which is good for my chunky bottomed monster.

Pinkjenny · 15/06/2008 16:05

Dh left me last night. He came back two hours later. We are struggling. I am a 'sponger' apparently. And I am always criticising him. Its a bloody nightmare. He said he'd leave but thinks that I'd love that because then I'd, 'get half the house and half his money'.

cameroonmama · 15/06/2008 16:54

Pink. So sorry things are tough right now. Of course he won't leave, he is hurting right now and these words come out easily to try to hurt you back. The first couple of years after the first baby arrives is so tough sometimes. Everything has changed for both of you. Probably he feels that all your time, love, attention and worry is focused on L and that there is little left over for him. He may feel inadequate in a way, because he can't do all the things for L that you do and do naturally.

We had a similar problem. I criticise dh a lot and its not fair because he is really good and tries so hard, but its easy to do when you are tired and feel like you are not getting any you time. I know its hard but try to bite your tongue when you want to criticise and perhaps you could try and sit down together and discuss what is really bugging him deep down. Remember the two of you have not had a decent nights sleep in the longest time.....

Don't worry it will pass, but you do need to talk about it. Lots of love, hope this helps a little bit.

Pinkjenny · 15/06/2008 17:16

Thanks cam - made me cry.

I think we need to have a good talk about everything, its good when its good, but so crap when its not, IYSWIM. We have always had a bit of an issue when it comes to money, I'm a spender (!) and he's a saver. We never seem to meet in the middle, he says I have a bad attitude towards it and just 'expect' him to pay for stuff.

I need to go, am at my aunty's for father's day and have just nicked her PC. Will try and get back on later.

Thanks again cam.

cameroonmama · 15/06/2008 17:29

Awww lovie, I wish I was there to give you a shoulder to cry on. As for the money issue, we have a spreadsheet (don't get too excited AM its dh's not mine ) outlining our monthly expenditure including 'nice' things eg clothes, sports and leeesure activities (!)Anything out of the ordinary we fight discuss about it. That way we both know where we stand. Does your salary go into your joint account? Could you agree to have a certain amount into your own account for you to do with what you like? Says the woman who is notorious for her spending habits....

Keep your chin up. At least its not freezing like it is here. And you don't have a mongoose problem.

Madamejaffa · 15/06/2008 18:09

PJ sweetie, it will be tough, I'm not sure I know any one who hasn't had a "rough" patch at around the year mark with the first patter of feet. The first year is taken away from both of you. EVERYTHING is centered around that new prefect arrival, you've had it tougher too with L's hips etc.. Around this time things begin to settle down into your routine and thats when it becomes aparent (normaly) to the man that things have changed.

You need to talk to each other, I agree with Cam, try to discuss the money issues, you can get through this! ((((((hugs))))))

Well done to all those dh ex smokers, how much they must have wanted you what will power for a lady!!

largeginandtonic · 15/06/2008 19:17

PJ i am home now, call if you like. Will text you my landline number.

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JamInMyWellies · 15/06/2008 20:30

PJ am so sorry you are struggling at the mo. We too have had some really difficult times since Archie was born emotionally and monetry. I think its bloody hard when you have a lo. You have especially had it tough with lexies hips and the anxiety thing.

We do still argue masses not a weekend goes by without one of us sniping at each other and I do feel resentful towards John for having a life, well he gets to leave the house and go to work. But on the other hand am sure John must feel resentful towards me getting to be at home and stay in my p.j's till tea time if I want.

When it comes to money I am in a very different situation to you we are skint but I have to put my faith in my dp as he is the wage earner and to be honest I have no idea how much all our outgoings are but I do try to be sensible and not spend masses on food shopping etc.

We are all here for you whenever you want.

elkiedee · 15/06/2008 23:12

PJ, I can only say I'm sorry. Lots of really vicious rows here, hopefully it's eased off a bit the last couple of weekends, and our arguments have calmed down a lot more quickly. And neither side of money inequalities is easy to be on.

I hope he realises how unfair he's being soon though, whether as you are you're bringing in a wage even if it's lower, or not, having kids is a huge financial commitment. A colleague at work has resigned 6 months after coming back from maternity leave - she has 1 year old twins and a daughter born less than 2 years earlier and her job's quite well paid, but it still doesn't make financial sense for her to work right now.

Lupins71 · 16/06/2008 09:01

COURIERS!! I use these people £5.95 dont worry about parcel size a buggy will be fine
www.ppwexpress.com/index.php they use DHL and have always been reliable

MJ I am a terrible ex smoker - I cant stand the smell makes me gag sometimes, I was lucky tho pregnancy hormones did the trick instead of nicorette

LGT ohhh I like that Dash pushchair

PINK so sorry you and dp are going throug tough times, hope you work it out,it can be very difficult and affect everythimg else in your life but we will all be here for you, you two have been through so much in the last year, the fact that you have supported each other through everything is testament to the love you have for each other, dp is a spender, I am not a saver but Im a damn sight better with money than he is, our solution (your not gonna like this ) I took his card away and he gets a weekly allowance which basically is his fritter away money

Well 1st night without dp went ok, the bed seemed very big and empty - until dd had a bad dream about chocking on a penny and can in to keep me warm . I am on a sorting out mission, yesterday did my room, bathroon cuboard and kitchen junk/ snack area - and a loads of cleaning and ironing, today I do battle with dd's room and the playroom - if you dont here from me for several days ten send a search party I may have been attacked but things that lurk in dd's room
I am already calling in the neighbors to help have asked one of them to grab me some milk to save the 3mile walk

Oh and tooth 9 & 10 were discovered hiding away at the back of the mouth

largeginandtonic · 16/06/2008 09:36

Lups how do you do the major cleaning? B wont let me do anything i have to carry him when i hoover. If i leave the room he cries! If he is playing happily it usually means he has legged it upstairs and is eating makeup or climbing in a toilet.

It is so annoying. He is just like the twins were, no peace to do anything and if they were quiet it was usually followed by a mass clean up operation.

Pink my love did you make it in to work? How are you? What did your mum say? I am so upset for you.

The dash is rather lovely Lups

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ShowOfHands · 16/06/2008 09:54

Oh PJ. Oh you poor, poor love. I warn I may waffle a bit now but I've watched and listened to you (bit stalkerish hey?) for months now and seen things happening that I think are symptomatic of a larger problem, not your problem btw, a general problem with becoming parents...

As everybody on here has already said, the first year after having a baby is a fright in every way possible. It is the changes to our personal relationships that are most representative of the rapid alterations. It is not possible to understand until it happens, the metamorphosis you go through as a first time mother. Your priorities shift dramatically, your perceptions, your figure, your anxiety levels, your emotional responses, your desires, your needs and wants, your role in the world, the way you relate to your partner, your own parents, siblings etc. It is the most perfect shift I think but by God it's shocking while it happens.

I firmly believe that as a society we are not geared up for these changes and little equipped with the tools to deal with it. There is only small allowance for what will happen. When pg you trawl through all the forms, leaflets and information available and rehearse and remember the rules surrounding SMP, OMP, maternity leave, paternity leave, weaning guidelines, return to work, childcare options etc etc. In harsh reality, these rules put in place mask the truth of what it is like to live the first important months and years of a baby's life. I think particularly for you and dh the work/money issue is a thorny one. I think the paternity rules as they stand are woefully inadequate. Returning to work after 2 weeks in the majority of cases has a lasting, probably at first intangible effect on your relationship as a trio. Whichever partner goes back to work in the first instance, usually dh/p is forced into doing so very early on. This early on it has the unfortunate benefit of being a bit easier to leave a baby I think. Quickly the man settles into a pattern, life seems almost the same as it was before but with a baby at home. Work provides normality and stability (something inextricably bound up with financial reward- we work to afford things, it's safe and familiar). Meanwhile, at home, you are learning and changing. For dh something simple like changing a nappy is just a chore at the end of a working day (usually he had a beer maybe or sat down and watched some tv), for you changing a nappy is a time to play, to pull faces, sing songs, bond. Every little act you carry out for your baby builds upon the bond you have with her. You start to thrive and that inevitable return to work can start to feel like a sentence. It becomes like a weight. Of course, dh/p protests that he manages to go to work every day (he's been forced to become used to being away from his dc, to separate the areas of his life), he thinks that the decisions were made before the birth when the forms were filled in (unfairly before you had any idea what to expect from parenthood) and he doesn't understand. The stability and protection of gainful employment still seems to be the logical choice for the parent who was forced back to it so soon but for the parent who is at home for precious months of their child's life, it becomes a bind, a harsh inevitability that they want to avoid. You go from having loved a job before motherhood to not imagining anything worse than walking out of that door every day. And worse, your partner doesn't understand why this has happened. How can you rationally sit and mull over the childminder versus nursery debate when all you can hear in each option is 'you must leave your child'. DH/P thinks 'you love your job, it's the same job, you're still you, make the decision and contribute'.

(At this point, do you think I could waffle much more?)

Anyway...

You find yourself in a horrid situation. The rules prohibit most families from having one working, one sah parent as it's financially debilitating. They seem to be fair and generous, allowing you so much time off to be at home with your child but ime it just makes the inevitable return to work harder. You're rocked by how strongly you want to be at home with your child and how loaded that sentence 'I want to be a SAHM' is. You're saying a thousand things about your own needs, the baby's needs, where you need to be, how torn apart you feel by the choice, how much your heart is breaking, how anxious you are. DH/P fixates on the financial side of things. You filled in the forms pre-baby didn't you, the decision was made? Somehow being a full time parent is still viewed by society as a luxury, an idle frivolity (apart from those doing it). Somehow by not taking gainful employment, you're not contributing. And you're contributing in massive, meaningful ways, it's just not what you're used to. It's not like pre-children when one of you liked to spend and one liked to save. By having one wage-earner and one full-time parent, you're working together to run a family. Unfortunately, it's too often perceived that one parent is at home having a jolly good time and the other is working hard to pay for this. He didn't marry a SAHM and she didn't marry a man who couldn't understand what motherhood means. You reach an impasse. Neither one understands how the other can be so rigid and fixed in their convictions. One doesn't understand how so little has changed for the other, that partner in turn can't see how the other remains so true to what it was like before.

Does any of the above sound familiar?

Do I have any of the answers? Unfortunately not. I only know that the way things are at the moment, the emotions and challenges of the first year are compounded by the practicalities. If you manage to have one partner at home full-time a lot of trust, honesty and understanding is necessary. If you have to go back to work, you want your partner to support you, to understand your initial unhappiness, to find ways of making it easier. Otherwise you run the risk of it looking like it's all gone back to normal but harbouring a lot of resentment. The rules have firmly changed. You don't do what is best for you anymore, but what is best for the family and it's a tough shift. This is where you are now. You see money as just money, something that if it can allow you to be the parents and people you want it to, then it should. He clings to the past and just sees the money going out as quickly as it came in and he's criticised all the time (because you're tired and drained and anxious) and he feels like a cash cow. Purposes, well and truly crossed.

Can he clarify what he means by sponging? Can he outline his fears? Does he worry about how much you've changed? How anxious you are? What will happen in the future? He needs to understand that this is a transitory state. You need to be different right now for Lexie, it doesn't mean that you aren't and won't in the future be a loving partner and a career woman, it means you are a mother too. You need to talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk. He needs to understand you, you need to understand him.

Then you need to get yourself over to Norfolk for a break so that I can look after you. That's an order.

I want to be a politician. I can waffle, waffle, waffle...

Feel free to ignore me btw.

JamInMyWellies · 16/06/2008 10:13

Well done SOH absoloutely spot on.

ShowOfHands · 16/06/2008 10:14

You managed to read that crap?

You have my total and utter respect.

anneme · 16/06/2008 10:24

PJ - what SOH says is so true - well done SOH not waffle at all (and being a teacher - trust me I can spot waffle at 100 metres!).
All couples have ups and downs particularly when LO arrives. You think that, after a year, it will all be settled down but it is not like that. I am not a particularly big spender but I get edgy with DH when he starts going on about money which he worries about (probably quite justifiably!). I remember reading a thread on here when we were all preg about how partners often get twitchy about finance before and when LO arrives because,in some ways, it is something that they can focus on whilst we are focusing on bonding with that LO growing inside. BIG HUGS x

cameroonmama · 16/06/2008 10:31

Blardy hell SOH, you in training to be a writer or what?

Very eloquently put. I think what is important to remember Pink, is that it is just a stage you both have to go through and you do come out the other end, intact and in love. I promise. And with hundreds of children.

What about you SOH and Tilda's arrival? Have you done your talking yet?

ShowOfHands · 16/06/2008 10:37

I was saved body and soul by the wonder that is LG&T. I deciphered my notes, sent them to her and she lied to make me feel better explained what had happened and I understand. I will always be disappointed that my first experience of childbirth was such an unmitigated disaster at the end but I now believe that I tried my damndedst and have a wonderful, hungry, spirited, gregarious, mischievous little soul to show for it. It also says all over my notes 'no contrary indications for future VBAC' which dh read and has got all 'breathy in my ear' about. Thinks we'll be procreating some time soon but I have news for him.

Oh and at training to be a writer. I've still only written two chapters. Every time I whip my notepad out (writerly porn that) Mathilda tries to rip the darn thing up. She's a critic at 13 months. Sadly, probably right.

Madamejaffa · 16/06/2008 10:42

Feck I don't do books, I've told you before, but made good true reading, maybe I should start a new hobby.

PJ hope you get chance to listen to each other soon. xxx

Good luck to all cleaning, I am too today, A away for another 2 days, Mum & Dad have gone out doing the OAP bit, drive, picnic in the car as it pissing down etc... I have the place to my self.

Still NO cigs and feeling a new woman.

cameroonmama · 16/06/2008 10:51

I suggest you put that new woman down MrsJB, not sure if A would approve

Well done on the cigs, keep going, keep going

Gosh everyone is cleaning, apart from me. Margaret is though.

SOH, that is good news. Start practising uncrossing of the legs please. Here, are you the mysterious flf poster who is already up the duffski?

LG&T, PMSL at the thought of Beau down the toilet. J has a liking for the bidet. Who the hell ever uses a bidet anyway?

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