August 2007- The one where we miss our plonkable babies! They're licking the pram wheels as we type...

[JamesAndTheGiantBanana]

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gill-im going to college 2 days a week just. i know hed get used to it but id be in work in tears lol complete nightmare trying to find a childminder as they are only allowed 3 under 5s and i have 3 lol ive had no luck getting ds1 into preschool but would feel much better if ds1 was with ds2 for his settling in period i have no worries about ds3 because even though hes clingy he doesnt really mind whos holding him as long as hes being held.

somebody mention holidays?? id love a holiday but decided wed end up needing another holiday after to recover lol. were just gonna do day trips over the summer.

james- i had an incident last week at my mums and tods where a little girl around the same age as ds1 had got up and left a ride along toy so my ds1 got on and as soon as she noticed she threw a wopper of a tantrum and her mum picked her up and followed my ds1 around saying dont worry the boy will give it back now wont you? which i thought wasnt right my blood was boiling but i didnt want ds1 to feel threatened so i walked over and asked ds1 if he wanted to give the little girl a wee go and he said yes and the woman said thankyou and ds1 said your welcome. my wee angel i never speak to any of the mums either its just good to get out of the house.

ok off to deal with ds2 again hes climbing on me........

gill awww at all your bumps and bruises.
he is a cheaky monkey lol

forgot to say i got the coil in yesterday so thats me safe for 5 years yay!!

Hello - Thought I'd touch base, haven't had a chance to catch up on your news, so it'll be me me me.
I have been posting, but in frequently, work has been really awful, I nealry lost my voice the other week, I'd got so stressed. The second day I was back, my lovely manager was moved to another house due to a big complaint, and I miss her soooo much. She and I compliment each other really well. With her gone, albeit for a short time, there is so much more work, ad it is just backign up as we don't have time.
After 3 onths I will have to re consider how much I want/ need to work. The stress is too much.

Sooo babies. Evie is standing too. She crawls like a flippin' demon, and is developling a rebellious streak. She is practicing clilmbing the stairs, but won't let me teach her to ome down backwards, which is a pain.

I'm typing in the dark, hence the typos!

We've jsut come back from Malta- me and my best mate, plus her 2 DC's, which was great fun. Gin and Tonic each night and no men!! Trouble was, Evie ate sand, seaweed, fag ends.... everything she could get her grybby mitts on... and.........

the was 1.....dead...

COCKROACH in the flat..... which neither my mate n'or I could bare to pick up.......

Evie found it first...... so a rather soggy, legless cockroach got hastily swept up. Me and best mate heaving as we did it!!! She even put a live woodlouse in her mouth... BLURGHHH!!!

Ok. working tomorrow night. DH and I not talking (for a change), best go to bed.

Take care all.

Tasha - your LO looks fab... they have done a great job on his lip.
How are you anyway?

Lizzie had a session at her new school today, and loved it.

Is it normal to do home visits, as her new teachers have arranged to come for a 30mins visit to get to know Lizzie. It does seem like a good school as at the moment it seems that there is only going to be 40 children in the year, so there is going to be 4 teachers for the 40 children.

They seem to be very whole child learning as oppossed to just teaching IYKWIM. For example they stay in their classroom to eat lunch so they can monitor what they eat and get them to try new foods(which will be great as Lizzie enough to keep a fly alive), encourge them to lay the tables and clear.

Shrinking Lexie like that she will eat anything and everything she can reach. And then just screams at you if you are eating and she not .

Tasha - I mentioned holiday's we go tommorrow. I get to spend a whole week with dd's and dh it will be such fun .

i'm at dads atm, just a flying visit but just wanted to tell you that Callum is walking (not just 2-3 steps anymore) but across the room very cute wobbly toddling, i have to try and stop myself from scooping him up everytime as my heart is brimming with pride, oooh i just love him sooo much!

will catch up later . . .

Hi all, hope everyone's ok. We just got home from s.wales, one of dp's sisters suddenly died at 41 from dvt, really shocking (yes it was the one I didn't get along with but I'm still gutted for everyone concerned, she's left a son behind and dp's mother is just devastated) Dp is coping ok but very quiet.

James threw up quite dramatically twice in the car on the return journey, hoping it was just that he ate too much and not a stomach bug, he was quite upset that he was sick, frightened him (and us!) he's still on my sodding lap having just fallen asleep, his sleep pattern is now up the wall totally after four days of being spoilt, I'm knackered.

How did you find having the coil fitted, tasha? was it painful? your boys are scrummy, but ds2 is especially cuddly looking!

helibee wow- the walking sounds very cute. Well done callum!

Lizzie the school sounds unusual but great, is she starting there in september?

sagpuss, I shuddered at her eating the cockroach, waaah! Glad you had a nice break though. Hope you and your dh sort it aaaht soon. x

Gill you clumsy sod! be careful! hope the job gets better, don't work too hard though!

Sorry if I've missed anyone, I'm tired, off to bed. night xxx

hiya everyone, what a horrible monday here grey skies yuk. well dp took lo back to hospital at 6am on sat morning another bloody chest infection, they xrayed him and this one is worse than last one. so hes on abs and inhaler again. eating ok though.

shrinking hope you had a lovely time and yuk at your dd lol how did you stop yourself from throwing up they would eat anything lo near choaked on a small plastic toy of ds1s the other day. im really good thanks for asking.

lizzie, ive never heard of them doing home visits but sounds like a great idea.

helibee- thats really great. your wee smarty pants lol. god they are growing up so fast.

james, hope james hasnt got a tummy bug. how is he today? sorry to here about your dps sister must be terrible for him. the coil was fitted really easily infact its worse getting a smear think its due to me having had 3 natural births. they gave me tablets to take the night before to dilate and they numbed up there before she done it.

better go sort my boys out. hope everyone is well

Hi all, another August baby here. I've just stumbled accross this thread and hope you don't mind me intruding.

I can't believe some of the babies are walking! My ds has only been crawling for a month!

James, hope your lo's tummy has calmed down.

Just wondering, is anyone else having a hell of a time at night??? My ds used to sleep for 12 hours a night (I know, I was lucky, but I didn't realise how lucky at the time!!!) He now takes ages for me to settle. Have to stay with him til he drops off, then sneak out the room but the slightest creaky floor board and he's standing up on his cot crying for me . He now wakes up all through the night and won't be put back down so I end up having to co sleep, which means we get no sleep as ds is constantly moving, waking up, wriggling and kicking! Please tell me I am not the only one! It seems to be getting harder instead of easier at the minute, although, I must confess, he is a doddle in the day compared to what he was before he got mobile. Any advice mummies??

Just to add, it's probably our fault as ds was a very high needs grumpy wee thing and we always fed him to sleep or else he screamed so i guess we should have taught him to settle himself but at the time we were just so tired and needed sleep any way possible!

Do all your babies self soothe? I can't do controlled crying, I'm a wimp and ds gets hysterical!

Hi All

welcome violetsmile yes you are not the only one with sleep issues, my ds sleep has worsened too, he never did 12 hours but was pretty good compared to now. I actually went and saw the nurse today about him, it doesn't help that he has a cold at the moment so waking every 2 hours, coughing, congested, etc.
Anyway she suggested making sure he is eating soilds first and then only 3 bottles a day, i have just started to wean (and he is having about 5 bf and 3 bottles, although doesn't take much), and not giving in with feeds in the night. maybe one later on in the early morning.
I'm lucky that ds doesn't want to be in our bed, BUT i do think he wakes partly because of attachment issues, he wants me to pat him, etc in the night, so i try talking from another room, and settling him BUT leaving before he is fast asleep.
anyway maybe some others have advice.
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jb- Sorry to hear of SIL, what a shock for everyone, was that the SIL that stuck her finger in J's mouth all the time? (sorry that's a bit crass)
re: playgroups, i bet you'll soon be part of the clique, I don't think these things happen as any exclusion to anyone, just similar people group after a while, like school. I rember feeling excluded at first now i feel part of the playgroup furniture, i don't know what's worse.

conker -sorry about missing the house, LOL at you not being smokers and the smell. i am the same. i once bought a book from a 2nd hand shop when i got it home I noticed the spine was a complete different colour and smelt of smoke, it obviously lived in a smokers house and had gone brown with tobacco, a bit scary really, if that's what it can do to a book!!!

tash - ds1 sounds very polite, it is funny how some parents act, i guess that mum at playgroup just wanted to stop the tantrum however she could- giving in though

helibee- Congrat's on callum's walking, you do sound proud.
i thnk i'll be sad when LL walks, i want him to stay a baby

sbag- hi nice to see you.

got the book - thanks very much tasha - havent had a chance to read it yet but will give it a go in the next few days.

hi violet - think a lot of the babies are doing similar things with not sleeping so much now - agree with uki - there are attachment issues and also i think i've given in too often with feeding in the night - i would be happy to feed him if i thought he needed it, but although i'd still feed him at least once, he's wanting feeds every few hours and i know he doesnt really need them.

james - sorry to hear about your sil - hope your dp is doing ok.

have to try and find a fascinator for Tuesday - dh's dad is being made a CBE at Holyrood and we are going to watch so i think i have to wear something on my head and i'm not a big hat fan.

turned on the tv and in the night garden is on - plonked ds on floor while i type and he is now sitting totally engrossed. oh dear - bad mummy moment.

Hi Conker,

we went to a wedding on Saturday and i got a lovely facinator in M&S in black but they also had lovely ones in cream and fushia pink.

We had a great time at the wedding, Caitlin behaved beautifully all day and was still going strong at 11pm squeeling with excitement at everyone. We had other people at the wedding (strangers to us) ask for a cuddle from her - one gay couple even took her on the dance floor and danced around with her for a couple of songs - she definitely was a hit and looked lovely in a dress my Mum had bought her before she was even born! I've loaded a pic of her to my profile.

Well done on callum's walking. Caitlin is pulling herself up now and last night as we were having dinner, she shuffled over to our footstool hauled herself up and then stole the remote control, grinned, and then shuffled away with it! Cheeky minx.

Sagpuss - euughhh re the cockroach. Made me shudder too!

Hi everyone.

Sorry you're all having crap nights too. I'm also strangely comforted that we are not the only ones.

I went to look round the local nusery today as I am wanting to go back to work one day a week. It's a gorgeous nursey with a member of staff to every 2 children which is great. They seem to be big on 'learning' through play, not just sticking them in a bouncy chair and leaving them to it. The only problem is, when we got there, all the babies were sound asleep in their buggies. This to us seemed like an alien concept. DS has never ever just fallen asleep without the buggy being on the move outside. Even when he naps in the home we have to rock him to music in our arms. I realise that we have got into some very bad habbits and I really don't know if the nursery will cope with him. Apparently, all the babies that were there (all aged between 8 months and 15 months) just go to sleep on their own in their buggies in the middle of the nursery???? I feel like such a failure. My baby will be the one screaming and disturbing all the other babies. I have been assured that he will never ever be left to just scream on his own as it would also distress the other babies there too. I'm very worried that my babies sleeping habbits are rather unusual!

I think because he ws such a high needs, hard work baby, we just did anything to stop him from crying but we are paying the price now.

Hersetta, well done on Caitlin pulling herself up! DS was oulling up before he crawled (he's odd!) but doesn't seem to know how to go back down wihout urting himself .

Lol conker, my ds has a bit of an obsession with In The Night Garden!

Anyway, best go rescue the poor dog from Joshua's grubby mitts!

hi violet-you are NOT a failure, Callum has never slept through the night-he goes to bed with us and wakes once for a feed and again at 6 then comes into bed with me when dh goes to work, we feel it's more improtant that he's happy and ALL the babies seem to be going through the same thing at the moment.

James-hope James is ok and not got a bug, hope you get some rest too. Also sorry about your sil, hope dp is ok too.

Tasha-hope lo is ok and on the mend soon, at least he's still eating this time

I'm back from dads now so i'll catch up tomorrow, i'm off to bed

Also violet, Callum always sleeps in our arms during the day-he'll grow out of it soon enough so i'm making the most of that snuggly time together!

Thank you helibee. I'm so glad that I'm not the only one who cuddles my baby during him day sleep! I quite like it as he's not that cuddly normally, far to busy crawling around so I enjoy our snuggles during his naps. Just not sure how the nursery will cope as obviously they can't allow him to sleep on them. We'll work something out! Thanks again

sorry, HIS day sleep, not him!

Hello all and welcome violetsmile.

Had a bad couple of nights with ds. I'm convinced it's his teeth this time as his mouth is currently a dribble waterfall. On Monday night he didn't go to sleep til midnight and still woke up at his usual time of 5am so we were all knackered yesterday. Last night I was really mean and made him cry himself to sleep at 8pm. I stayed with him but just kept laying him down until he gave in. I think it took about 15 minutes. He must have woken at least 8 times last night. I gave in and went downstairs with him at 4:30. Dd was awake anyway as she'd been asleep since 4:15pm yesterday. I made dh get up at 6am so I could get another hour's before work, otherwise I would probably be snoring at my desk right now.

violetsmile - My ds slept really well for months and now goes through phases of night waking. He is quite inconsistent with actually going to sleep. If we catch him at the right time we can put him to bed and he won't make any fuss. Other nights he will cry for ages. We do cc. I find it quite hard but I guess it's easier with the second child. I wouldn't do it with dd until she was 2. She was a complete nightmare sleeper. We used to have to stay with her til she went to sleep which sometimes took up to 3 hours. cc was the last resort. We decided we weren't going to get ourselves into that situation with ds. Agree with the others. You are definitely not a failure. My ds would never just lay in a buggy to go to sleep in the day. He would be much more interested in what's going on. Often I get to my mum's after work and he has only slept for half an hour all day and that was on the school run. I think he thinks he'll miss something. Dd always had to be cuddled to sleep until she was about 18 months IIRC except when she was at her old childminder's house. All she had to do was tell her it was nap time and she would lay down and go to sleep She would never do that for me. You may find your ds is different at nursery. Now she will only sleep in the day if we go out in the car so sometimes we have to take her out for a drive.

James - sorry to hear about your sil. How is James today?

Best get back to work now.

hi gill - that sounds like an awful night. for the first time since ds was born - i slept through some of his crying.

we agreed that dh would deal with him till 1 to try and extend when he's feeding, so i put my book down when dh went through about 11.10 and thought i'd just doze till dh came back or i had to go through cause he'd given up - next i knew it was 12.50 and dh was finally giving up - he hadnt cried all that time though - had been sleeping in dhs arms etc but when put in cot he'd wake up.

but at least dh is helping and i got an extra wee sleep for a change which was very welcome.

dh's cousins baby (born in April) got taken to hospital today - meningitis . thought they'd caught it quite early but he's been moved now to a higher dependency bed and they've been told the next 24/48 hours are critical - his aunt and uncle have gone to the hospital too. Heard about it this morning and just cant stop thinking about it. Just keeping everything crossed that he improves over night.

Conker, so sorry to hear about dh's cousin's baby. Must be awful for you all but especialy the parents.

I really don't think I'd cope if it were my ds. I'll keep my fingers crossed that the next 48 hours go well and he is fine at the end.

Nice to hear that you got a well deserved sleep though.

I have started getting dh to help more now ds is waking in the nights.

I used to feel guilty as he works full time but now it's like 'all hands on deck!' I need as much help as possible
as I feel i work bloody hard during the day too!

James, how is dp doing? Wishing you all the best, i know it must be awful watching you dp go through that .

Well, I must say I'm so glad to have found this thread. I was beginning to think that Joshua was a bit wierd with his sleeping habbits.

I really can't believe that the babies at the nursery just drift off on their own.

Seriously, ds would be peed of at being in his buggy and screaming to come out if they just left him in there.

He'd much rather be crawling around with the older children and it's very unlikey (as in NO WAY!!) he'd just doze off to sleep in the middle of the nursery.

When I mentioned it to his key worker there, she seemed a bit suprised and said they all just go to sleep with no help other than popping a dummy in

or giving them there comfort toy or blanket. Joshua has never wanted a dummy, he hated it and I have always just rocked or fed him to sleep

(very naughty, I know!) but I never saw the harm as he slept so brilliantly at night that it wasn't an issue.

I am now trying over the next few weeks til he starts nursery on 25th July, to get him attached to a comforter teddy bear thing we bought him today.

Does anyone have any advice about how to go about it? Do I just give him it for sleeps? Or do i let him have it whenever so it comforts him if he is upset at nursery.

I've tried to make it smell like us!! But not sure what to do next really.

I feel a bit clueless and clearly all the other mums at the nursery are doing a far better job than me .

I keep telling myself that ds is just a different sort of baby, was very very very high needs and miserable til he could crawl

so I had to give in to him or else he would have just screamed all the time.

I thought I was doing the right thing but now I feel it has bit me in the ass a bit.

Anyway, sorry to be negative, any advice would be much appreciated.

Thanks.

Woah, that was a long post, i won't be offended if noone can be arsed to read it! Didn't realise I'd waffled on so much

Right I have posted on the sleep board as I've just realised that this thread isn't here for me to bug you all constantly with my insane questions, sorry, I'm new to MN!

hiya everyone and welcome violetsmile

conkertree- sorry to here about your dps cousins baby, thats terrible everything crossed here for him too, i couldnt imagine that. hopefully he takes a turn for the better.

violetsmile- we all have a good moan about anything on here so keep moaning. stop blaming yourself id say them babies in the nursery arent abnormally good and they play their parents up too either that or they are from another planet that i would like to know about lol

well lo got weighed today and is now 13lb8oz yay! hes starting to look chubby! was speaking to hv about ds2 still not talking and shes going to see how hes getting on at los next apointment starting to worry a little now that lo is saying hiya too!! and at that ds2 rarely says it now.

i had a very eventfull day yesterday, i got up and decided that i wanted to move the boys beds into the small room and move our room into the boys room and have our room as the play room ao i painted the small room bright yellow and done all the moving about dp had a big shock when he got back from work lol. see my house is very awkward and has ground floor (livingroom), second floor kitchen and bathroom, 3rd floor new playroom originaly my room and then 4th floor 2 bed rooms.

i have the cutest video of lo pulling himself along but it was at my mums and my brother walked in on it at 3pm (just woke up) with a big hangover complaining about a bill lol so have to get another for you all to see.

james- how are you all????

hope everyone else is well

Hi folks sorry I've been awol, been busy. Hope everyone's ok!

tasha, hope your lo is feeling better. How did they numb it, if you don't mind me asking? was it an injection up there, because if it was I'm not doing it!

Uki, yes it was that sil. I'm starting to slowly get to know some faces at playgroup now, some rather common colourful lady yesterday decided that she would tell me about her sex life pre-kids. In playgroup. Very loudly. I sat there trying not to look aghast and hoping desperately that no-one would think I asked. ffs!! Takes all sorts, I spose.

conker, so sorry about the baby with meningitis, how awful! How is s/he now? God it's your worst nightmare. Fingers crossed x Sorry but In The Night Garden is a total sanity saver! I look forward to it coming on just as much as James, he sits there with his igglepiggle teddy, I sit there with my coffee, and we have half an hour of gently narrated bliss before he starts destroying the house again.

Hersetta, I love Caitlin's pretty dress, I look wistfully at the summer dresses everytime I'm out shopping, you're so lucky! J spent this evening crashing about in a navy blue romper covered in quad bikes.... it's just not the same.

Gill, James is fine today, thanks for asking. I think he was just car sick tbh, hope it's not going to be a regular occurence. Have you tried calpol night? I've used it a couple of times when his teeth have bothered him at night and he's asleep in minutes, it's bloody wonderful stuff!