December 2007. Laughing, sitting, rolling, whatever next - sleep perhaps?

[Wizzska]

Hello ladies, will you join me here?

Louise your wee one is a great sleeper, I would mention that to your DH, he really is lucky to have a baby so young sleeping so well at night

oh Skid I am the same when DD goes near DS, she likes to help wind him but every now and then gives him a good whack rather than pat, I think she still believes he is one of her dolls and unbreakable!

Skid I should hover anxiously, dd is nothing but affectionate towards him but her version of cuddling him is to lie on top of him! Also she keeps trying to feed him, found him with a cheerio in his mouth a while back!

Loucee so far I have a waterstones voucher from dh and a box of choccies from my gran. Oh and my sister bought me some new jeans and a bottle of wine when I last saw her!

louise - what a fantastic sleeper and glad you sorted things out with your DH

loucee - glad I'm not the only hoverer! DD is generally lovely to DS but like clairey's DD hugging means lying on top of him, she also likes licking him, sucking his nose and trying to undress him to look at his willy - am hoping she will get this willy obsession over with young rather than it being a sign of things to come!!!

clairey - are you happy with your Waterstones voucher? Don't know if I would be overly impressed but then again I am a stroppy cow, and come to think it I got gardening gloves for my birthday which isn't much better!

lol at older sibs....mine is bit older at 6 but still a bit heavy handed caught her with top up the other day said she was gonna boobie feed her
just spent half hour messing about with bottle got maybe 1oz down her her until i gave up and offered breast aaaghhhhhh !

Hello all, happy weekend to you all!

Louise, really pleased you sorted it out. I have to say my dp is just sooo good about it and if he gives ds a ff(especially in the days when i had mastitis) he always says to ds, "here's the plastic boob-not as yummy as your mum's milk is it son?" Which was really lovely of him to emphasise that he was on my side...

While i'm on the subject of dp i overheard a conversation he was having with his friend on the phone and he said, "yeah i'm knackered this week, been doing 12 hr days at....not as tiring as lizzer looking after the boy 24/7 though, now that's hard work" awwww..

Ok so the hot topics du jour...

Hair=masses of it falling out, i wonder why its all happening to us around the same time..ie some post pg hormone drop perhaps?

DTD (I love that acronym) twice, once quite enjoyable, 2nd disasterous on many levels!! There's plenty time in the future i guess....

Suey, baby on a plane-talk to me
(sorry, what i mean is do you bf dd on plane, how does she react to take off/landing, and do you check in the pushchair on arrival?)

Clairey, happy birthday to you

Skid, lol@your dd's willy obsession, i remember thinking my bro's was funny when very little too!

Oh, I'm glad i wasn't the only one who didn't know what the Y in EASY was for..Now I get it

Well its pizza and wine night chez Lizzer, i look forward to the hardlyanywashingup factor and getting slanty by the tv-bliss. Hope you all have lovely weekend (sorry i'm a bit giddy today, promise i haven't been on the wine...yet)

Macdoodle, what bottles are you using? I def. find the closer to nature ones more boob-like. Otherwise there's always the doidy cup..that really helped my friend's ds when she went back to work... let me know of you want a link?

Wow, a busy couple of days on here. Just a quick one to say my hair is also falling out, hope it stops soon though.
Happy Birfday Clairey. Sounds like a good plan, pizza and wine, Lizzer. Might have a tek down to the offy for some wine Have a good weekend all.

hellooo

sorry for my randomly not finished post earlier, laptop battery was dying so i pressed post in a panic!

re EASY clairey i am the same, i have disregarded most of it, but just keep EASY in my head and i think it is helping as I less often have a grumpy little wriggler on my hands. i think i was doing eat-activity, then she would get out of sorts and i'd frantically do nappy/feed/play/what the hell is wrong with her...forgetting that she hadn't slept. Sometimes we do eat-activity-eat a LITLE bit and feed to sleep...bad habits i'm sure but she goes out like a light and i feel i've squeezed a couple of extra ozs into her!

hope you've had a lovely birthday!

Thanks for all your co-sleeping responses - i am still a bit unsure...am going to stick my head in the sand for a while and hope that her sleeping patterns are radically different by the time i go back! skid you are right, we do need a wishful thinking smiley!

re sleep louise i am sooooooo !! and great that you have sorted things out with hubby. i think bf-ing support is so important - DH is great thankfully, but MIL and mum can be a bit iffy...

oh loucee that is a big decision! what would happen at the end of the contract? are you and BM meeting on Wed? dd has her jags then . but pls tell me if you arrange another time would be lovely to catch up.

macdoodle good luck with the bottles, that is my next task too, both for return to work and hopefully to make our 11pmish feed a bottle of ebm from hubby as i am shattered! he will be looking after her mostly when i go back too and i think although he is looking forward to it he is worried too, as sometimes only a boob will calm her!

ps LOL at the willy chat - my friend and i only had sisters, and we bossed a little boy friend of ours to show us his when we were all about 6 - i clearly remember being horrified!!

Lizzer am using the tomee tipee ones are those them not prepared to chop and change and pay for loads of teats/bottles when I have free milk on tap ....have various different bottles from DD1 (avent mothercare etc suppose could try diff teats on them)..am using the medium flow (3mon+) ones ?? Any advice - have heard of doidee cup may get try if gets closer to work and no luck though would love to get to gym or eve out before then......
As for hair mine seems ok but Lil's falling out loads she looks like a monk wioth bald patch all the way round and spiky bit on top and long bit at back

macdoodle we have TT bottles too - she took them like a wee dream at 5wksish - so pissed off that we stopped actually - but at the time it was under duress from the HV to give formula top ups so I think I was glad to drop them. Then I tried to go out for lunch one day when she was about 12weeks, took a whole bloody week to pump about 8oz, she refused to take it, I had to come home and the whole lot went down the sink - gutted.

i have heard NUK bottles are good but haven't tried personally

Hello just a quick one before I go to bed. Am trying to arrange a meet up in Durham on 14th, any of you in the area who want to join us, I've set a thread up here
There myself and one other Mner so far!

Hi just popping in - my DD1's 6th birthday!! Born in our flat in St Georges Square, Pimlico, London 4/4/02 at 1.15pm - seems only yesterday!! Happy Birthday to the other Aries
Must run and prepare stuff for parties etc etc

Claieybee - happy birthday and thanks for remembering our anniversary. It didn't exactly go to plan but there is always next year. Strangely enough, I also noticed this week that my hair was falling out - given that our lo's were born a day apart, I guess that means we've reached that PPP (point post pregnancy) where, well, hair falls out!

Skid - no, I don't live in Cornwall but Cheltenham (perhaps the fact that they both begin with C confused you!). Not massively close to Oxford but there is a very good road link so it's probably less than an hour's drive. I would probably be about half way between you and Claireybee so you can both come here with your LO's for a cup of tea one day!

Bottles: another teat worth trying is the MAM. I am always banging on about this but it really did the trick for dd1 when I had to go back to work.

EASY: Am I the only person on this thread who does actually quite like a fairly strict routine? I started her on EASY (although I never get any of the Y) from about three weeks and she is now in quite a nice routine of feeding at 6, 9, 12, 3, 6.30 and 10. She also usually feeds about 2/3am. I like the predicatability of it and knowing why she is crying - eg she isn't hungry so must be tired. She is good with her naps too. I think it's a lot easier to run my (and more importantly dd1's) life knowing when she is going to need a sleep etc. (hasn't helped with her sleeping through the night though )

Having said that we didn't get dd1 into a routine as early - I didn't think it was as important the first time round.

Everyone on here seems very good with the whole breastfeeding thing and I don't really want to say this so, in a whisper - I am quite looking forward to giving up soon. I don't personally find it the wonderful and bonding experience that others seem to, although I will certainly agree that is is more convenient and definitely cheaper! To me, breastfeeding has been functional and I know it is probably the best thing for the baby. But I think I am reaching the point now where I am ready to call it a day.

I have been feeling a bit down lately, perhaps something to do with dropping some feeds (aparently weaning off the breast can be quite hormonal), but also stressed at moving abroad in a few months time.

But to end on a positive note, I am finally getting lots of gorgeous chuckles out of dd2. Aren't they just reaching a lovely stage now?

TBH it is more the convenience of BF that makes me continue ...however tired baby this evening...latched on fed for a few mins then came off with a sleepy milky smile and stared up at me wih such a look of contentment I was overcome with a wash of love......very soppy I know but was one of those moments wish I had a camera

Clara I noticed your post seemed a little bit down, you've got so much going on its no wonder.
This time round for me Bfing has been a lot more of a positive experience and I'm a lot more relaxed about it (and the fact I've only hd one blocked duct in 15wks of feeding as opposed to problem upon problem with DD) but you shouldn't worry about talking about how you feel. You've done brilliantly feeding your DD2 with breastmilk and now you're ready to move onto the next phase for your family.
There's me talking about weighing up moving 1 hrs flight away/7hr drive - seems so crap in relation to your big move in the summer. Are you nervous about it? Do I remember correctly it's your DH's job taking you to Pakistan? Do you know how long you will be out there?

Poor wee DD keeps having dreams then screaming and shouting for us, we get up to her more times of a night than we do DS!

Buzzy - Happy birthday to your dd1!! Hope she is having a lovely day , thought it's just about over now I would guess!

Clara - totally understandable how you feel. And you've done great to get this far, you should be very proud. I am finding it a bit of a struggle, tbh just because he is feed so frequently atm. It feels as though he has taken a real step backwards. Was so annoyed this morning as he had a really good feed between 2 and 2.40 am, but still woke up at 3.40am, hungry! Was so tempted to go downstairs and grab some formula But he probably would have refused it the awkward little sod darling baby. And then it would have been wasted.

I've been up since 4am!! wasn't even ds's fault either! See here if you want the details www.mumsnet.com/Talk/1375/508181?stamp=080405080031

Yes McD, TT and closer to nature are the same thing. Ikwym about not wanting to spend loads..well if she will take the doidy in the end at least its only £3 (got mine on ebay)

Hope your dd had a lovely b'day Buzzy

Claraq, i sometimes wish we had more structure to the day but i quite like being flexible and taking the lead from ds, saying that i've not got 2 lo's close together in age..i would prob need a routine then. Hope you're feeling getter again soon, blimmin hormones have a lot to answer for

I read it, very funny! Glad it had a happy ending!

oh I am sorry Liz but I am crying with laughter real tears poor you

Lizzer that is so funny! You must put the robomop duel on facebook for us to giggle at! Our little blighter got out recently and made itself a little nest under the fridge. Luckily the cat which happened to be in at the time was the one with absolutely no hunting instinct!

Hope your DD has/had a good birthday Buzzy! Clara, I have a very loose routine at the moment but once DD is around 6 months old I will probably introduce a stricter one. Thats what I did with the DSs. At the moment she still naps when she chooses and when she sleeps there is no waking her! (especially now she has her thumb as she just pops it in whenever you are not looking and goes back to sleep) She is getting more predictable with her feeding times though which is good.

Glad you have sorted things out with DH Louise!

Hope you had a good birthday Clairey! Book voucher and chocs sounds like a great birthday to me! I could spend hours in Waterstones (sad I know).

I squidged her feeds a bit closer together yesterday thinking that she might wake up a bit earlier this morning if her last feed was earler last night. She had other ideas and I ended up waking her for a feed at 7.30 this morning (which was more of a dream feed as she didn't really wake). I really have to get her timing changed as it is not going to fit in with the school runs when the DSs go back on Tuesday!

Hi everyone

Not had time to read all the posts from the last couple of days, have been out and about alot.

Great post Lizzer.

DS had his check up with the HV on Thursday morning. I'm really pleased because he's the right weight for his height, just above 25th centile. The HV said he was ready for baby rice so am going to try tomorrow. Apparently they're going to change the official advice from 6month bf only back to starting solids at 4 months again. It really winds me up how they always change their minds about pg and baby things. Goes to show you just have to follow common sense not advice. DS has been staring at us when we eat for a couple of weeks now. He is fascinated.

Hi everyone

that's interesting Wizzska I wonder when they will change the advice officially back to 4months? Did your HV mention if the W.H.O were also changing their advice or give an explaination why they would advise differently from the W.H.O?

DS has gone from waking once a night to twice so in a way I am tempted to start him on some rice in a couple of wks (when he will be 17wks) but I am so scared of making him more at risk of allergies etc.

Had a lovely family day out in Stirling today, went to the Castle then lunch and shopping in town. Beanster I did think about texting you but my battery was dead and wasn't sure if you were away anyway?

I didn't realise the schools were off down south, is this the Easter Break? I don't think they are off up here until the week after next.

Poo - DS usually does one dirty nappy a day but my word it goes everywhere and requires a change of clothes, we're using Pampers nappies - does anyone else have this problem? Maybe I'll try Huggies again?
Caz I sometimes use Tesco nappies but find the cut inbetween the crotch wider than Pampers/Huggies and that they are stiffy nappies.

Hope everyone is enjoying their weekend.

Still thinking of you Insy hope all is well

hi all! hope you are all well. we've had a nice day today with friends visiting, but i'm sooo tired don't think i was the best company!

having said that, we had a better night last night, dd went down finally after much feeding at 9pm, back up to feed at midnight and then at 3 on the dot i heard little noises..she wasn't really crying though, and i was lying in bed trying to persuade myself to get up...next thing i knew she was waking up again and it was 5am! So she'd obviously just drifted off at 3am, can't have been hungry. i suppose if she took a dummy that would have been when i'd be popping it in, but if she can get herself back to sleep without it then i'm not going to push it. would like to think this was us on the way to dropping that feed, but i'm not getting my hopes up!

BT i know what you mean, i feel as though i have taken a step backwards too re feeding and night wakenings.

clara i am such a mixed bag re bf-ing - love it and hate it about 100 times a day! I think the best way to deal with it is do what you feel comfortable with whether that be 6 days/weeks/months/whatever!! It seems the people who are unhappy/upset by it are those who stopped against their wishes or felt pressure into doing it for longer than they wanted - peace of mind with your decision to stop/start seems to be the key.

Re routine, I do sometimes hanker after more of one...dd's feeding/weight issues sort of took over for us, and there was no way we could think of spacing out feeds or anything. My rough plan is to begin to be a bit more organised now in this 4-6mth stage, gearing up to a stricter one at 6mths as you said beckle. I have 6wks summer hols over July/start of Aug - I have it in my head that we will master weaning/sleeping/routine etc over that time...yeah right!

oh tea ready - curry night..yum! keeping dd up late so i can eat it