December 2007. Laughing, sitting, rolling, whatever next - sleep perhaps?

[Wizzska]

Hello ladies, will you join me here?

Sympathies... it sounds really tough, I think someone mentioned that at 4months they can get separation anxiety, perhaps this might be why she is being so clingy? It is frustrating thought especially when you've got things to do!
No helpful suggestions though I'm afraid!

Woo hoo, Martha slept through last night - well, I fed her at just before 11pm just before I went to sleep and she went through until about 6.15am.... A first for us, a night without a feed (of course I still woke up...).

Suey - it is a really hard time this age as the babies do tend to need more occupying, they are more alert and get bored much quicker, but are still incapable of doing much on their own. It gets a lot easier once they can sit up as they can play with toys independently for longer. The other reason she might be unhappy is she might be teething. If she is, you just have to be patient! If it's any comfort, the first teeth are usually the worst (until the molars come in....).

Awen - I have posted on the thread about blw and then thought oh no everytime I post something I am going to upset Awen - we obviously have very different ways of bringing up our babies, but hopefully we are both now happy and confident that we are doing it the right way for us. I guess that't the beauty of the 2nd baby!!

quiet today
just back from national history museum. it was totally mobbed! sorry, dundee couldnt figure out which one you were and didnt want to randomly go up to peopleand ask if they were dundee marmalade! hope you had a good day

Hello Awen - are we friends again over a sore nipple . Mine thankfully is clearing along with the blockages. The best way of healing is to make a doctors appointment and then you automatically get better and have to cancel.

DS nursed the blockages out last night by waking almost hourly and refusing to settle down. Had to feed him 3 times in teh night.

Am hoping to avoid separation anxiety with ds by letting as many people as possible hold him. I'm also conscious of making sure I put him down to play on his own quite a bit. Gives me a chance to log on to mnet . I used to be always holding him and playing with him but seeing how independent another baby from my antinatal class is I changed my ways. Hope it works.

LOL we do online shopping too. Can't tell you how often we've ordered just one banana.

afternoon all!

we have never ordered one banana but i always forget to look at sizes - i once had people coming round and had lazily ordered a steak pie - it was about 2 inches square, i had ordered an individual size one, woops! never get duff food i have to say, fruit and veg are always nice, any f-ups are my own fault!

suey lol at having to go up to people and say "excuse me are you dundee marmalade?!" re clingyness, it is tough when dd is like that isn't it? BT is right, 4mths is meant to be the 1st hint of separation anxiety, i think they have realised you are a separate person, but haven't worked out that even though you go away, you will come back! dd is quite good in the mornings, but later in the day she is not so content. they are too little to misbehave though, don't have the mental capacity for it i don't think! also i don't know how much "training" you can do before 6 mths or so. dd has always been passed around grannies, friends etc, some days she is fine other days she acts like they are torturing her, don't know what makes the difference really!

suey - i troo think millie is too young to enrtain herself. shes not doing it to annoy you or be naughty - that is just what babies are lije.

oh - sleep - i would say this bloody 4mth growth spurt is MAYBE easing up a bit - 3-4hrs between feeds at night for the past 2 nights, instead of 2-3. fingers crossed this continues!

thanks for all your support guys . i guess one of the most frustrating things is that even when i do hold her and play with her, she starts mewling. that kind of ah-hah type noise and nothing i can do will make it stop and it gets louder and more insistent ending up in full throated screaming. It has just happened again, she has recently been fed and nappy changed and i have had to take her to her room again.

I have asked the nanny to come tomorrow and see what she can suggest- it is difficult for me as i have no family nearby and the only friends i am seeing at the mo are other mums- too knackered to go out at night. I have always tried to put her on her mat etc when she has been ok and she has always played very happily. I guess when we were away in Spain she didn't have that but when we went to scotland i left her with my relatives both days for an hour or so and she was fine. She has always been really sociable with other people which is why i find it difficult to understand.

Hi Suey,poor you it sounds like a tough time..I try to remember that although it seems like a long time when you're going through the mill it'll not be long before they're toddlers running round the house I echo what others have said about babies being randomly upset, clingy and 'awkward' for all sorts of reasons. Trying to figure them out is an impossible task.. I find using the sling if ds is having a clingy day works, or some days he'll be happy on the mat for a good 15mins, just depends on a million factors..only the little monkeys know what goes on

So we had the worst night in a while last night, had to get dp roped in to walk ds around in the middle of the night as i was exhausted...its just a phase, its just a phase

BT, caz10-i don't think feeding to sleep should be a worry yet, they're still so little, it doesn't bother me I have to say...

Rolling over-wow! I can't wait but its not looking likely, except in the bath when he wants to swim on his tummy and wriggles round nearly drowning in the process

I'm finally getting a morning off tomorrow, going for a swim in a hotel spa with my friend who's staying with us. DP off until 1ish, its going to be sooo weird going out without ds, I've only ever been to the supermarket down the road before without him sure I'll lurve it though

You lot are so funny with your internet shopping wrongs, you've put me off for life as i'm sure we'd end up with the most bizarre things ever

Well I've ended up feeding him to sleep last couple of nights, but he is waking up around 9pm instead of his usual 10.30, hoping for a better night, but not hopeful as I can hear him stirring already...

Echo what Lizzer says about internet shopping, you are all cheering me up a lot (feeling a little down as every time I offer my opinion on another MN thread I end up being told I am wrong and how dare I have a different way of doing things to them? Think I'll stick to this thread from now on). Please keep them coming, I want to hear more tales of one bananas or tiny steak pies! In fact perhaps someone should start a separate thread and see what others have done (but not me as I can't post on other threads any more....)

Bizarrely I managed to order 4 (YES FOUR) huge bags of......spinach...suffice to say we were well and truly sick of it
Suey could she be teething - Lil also bit unsettled usually very content placid baby on mat or chair - seems grizzly and wants mummy all the time(which is fine in day but evenings when trying to settle/pay attention to DD1 is nightmare - tonight she managed to hoik my razor off shelf "to shave her legs and sliced her finger while I was feeding )...
I find rubbing her gums with calgel helps - she is very dribbly and shoving whole hand in her mouth till she gags poor baby

Clara have they set the dogs on you on the other threads? MNet is getting a bit ranty these days isn't it, is there something in the air?

RE internet shopping, I ordered 12 tins of beans instead of 3, they were four packs and I didn't realise. DH too the piss for ages. Went off beans as soon as I'd done it so they're still sitting there. All we need is a new millennium bug or something, have already stockpiled!

Bouncing - hope you had a good night last night. We had a slightly better one. DS went to sleep in the afternoon from 3 until 6! Couldn't wake him, tried but he moaned and screamed so much I let him sleep on me until DH got home. Tried so hard to keep him awake for an active time before bed. In the end we gave him his bath and got him ready for proper bed and then he woke up and stayed up til 8.30. We got only 3 wake ups in the night and all short with a quick re-settle. .

hurrah!!!!!!!!
I have my baby back!!
I wonder now whether it was her vaccinations making her feel a wee bit poorly, but not so much to give her a temperature, or make her obviously sick in another way. She had them last thursday and so she may have been busy making antobodies i guess. Much better night last night- ok till 4, screams, settled with dummy and cuddles until 6, dummy again then i woke her at 7.10.
What a learning curve! Thanks for all your advice guys

clara empathies
let's not let the other threads infect ours, eh?
I never name change, perhaps that is easier in future? But i am too stubborn to hide behind another alias

Hello everyone,

It has taken foever to catch up on all your messages and of course now I can;t remember who said what!

Suey- glad Millie is better - it really sounds like teething to me - DS has suddenly become very grizzly and is also dribbling, is hot, has red cheeks and a bit of nappy rash so I am sure it's his teeth. He would have been straight to the docs if he was my PFB (precious first born) but just gets a few extra cuddles as he is my NSB (neglected second born)

clara - can't find all your contentious threads as they must be a few days old now. I never had you down as a fight starter!! Completely agree that there is one right way to raise your child according to MN and just like George Dubya if you're not with them you're against them. Well done for standing up to them and congrats on first night sleeping through

awen - love that link about 4 months old - DS has started waking again and reading thae link made me remember that it's perfectly normal. He was u every 2 hours last night but feeding him comforts him so much I don;t really mind

Just back from visiting the ILs in ireland. It was so great to have help with the DCs. They took DD out for the day twice which gave us a chance to have some time together and meet up with friends. We even went to a proper gig one night - not often I use that kind of vocabulary at my age!!

bouncing - Where was the Durham meet up in the end? How did it go? Hope I can come if there is another one. Was thinking of getting the baby whisperer as well to see if I can get DS into more of a routine - how have you found it?

Gorgeous pics clairey, clara and awen.

Does anyone else's baby hate having baths still? I know it is normal in newborns but DS still screams blue murder at 4 months! Thik we may have traumatised him by chucking him in with his big noisy sister from day 1 Any tips?

arrgggghhhhhhhh why wont she just fuckig sleep in the day??????????????????????????????????

when i manage it she is like different baby

when i dont its just truly awful (like today)

Skid, it was Monday it went well! Will try to organise another one in the next couple of weeks, I'll keep you informed.

Claraq - sorry you've been given a hard time, I had a look on that weaning thread, didn't think you said anything that radical! Like Wizz said, think it must something in the air...

Took ds swimming again and nearly killed the poor little tyke - slipped as I wa getting in the pool went backwards holding tight onto him we both went under but not deep so I managed to get us both up again - he looked a bit startled, bottom lip wobbled a bit but then he was fine! OTOH I was a nervous wreck and think I've bruised my back from hitting the step!
Then he was fine ongoing, think he is a proper water baby

Pecka - I know what you mean, ds is only now getting better at naps during the day.
Oh and he woke up every 3 hours, that is an improvement!

bouncing, how old is yr little one? I think mathilda might be one of the younger ones, she was born on 4th jan?

Hi Skid - great to see you back, glad you had a good time and even saw a "gig"!!! I have just bought the Ashes to Ashes cd, with lots of songs from the eary 80's which is bringig back lots of memories - - realise a lot of you probably weren't even born in 1981!!!!
Martha likes her bath now but used to hate them! She goes in with her sis now, but as dd1 tends to kick the water around a bit we have to check that she isn't being drowned....

Pecka - Martha keeps refusing to sleep in the day too, which is very tiring. She slept through again last night so I can't really complain but I don't know what's changed in the day. Must try and find that Awen link you are all talking about for any clues....

Suey - I agree about not name changing, I don't feel that I have anything to be ashamed about. I guess I'll never be one of those popular MNetters who get to be on the "say one thing you like about a fellow MNetter" threads but I find that all slightly strange anyway. Sometimes this place really does feel like a school playground and I wonder if it is anything to do with the fact that 99% of the posters are (presumably) female....

Thanks everyone else for their support for my attempts on the other threads. I think I just must have too much time on my hands! Hopefully that'll change soon as we only have three months until we move so loads to do.....

Oh crumbs - just went in to see why Martha wouldn't sleep and found she had twisted right round and one of her legs was stuck right through the bars of the cot...hadn't realised we had reached that stage already. I have a feeling this one's going to be trouble

awens link here

www.kellymom.com/parenting/sleep/4mo-sleep.html

Bouncing - at your pool incident, that would have panicked me too. Hope your back is ok.

I had a little incident yesterday, trying to be a good samaritan but at the cost of poor ds. Was in a newsagent, and an old lady came partly through the door and called 'Help Me!' very loudly. I thought she just couldn't get through the door properly because it was stiff. I let go of the pram to push the door as I was closest and forgot the shopping on the pram handles. Pram fell , DS looked startled but didn't moan. Luckily he landed so he was tilted upright. Old bint didn't even realise the drama she'd caused, turns out she'd left her wallet on the counter previously. The lovely shop owners picked DS up for me.

Clara, oops at your DD's leg. DS manages to move quite a lot too these days by lifting his legs up and clonking them down.

Skid - evie's not so keen on baths. It might be because I hate bathing her. I HATE our bathroom and it doesn't help I nearly drowned her.
Still when I go back to work I may start baby swimming with her.