December 2007. Laughing, sitting, rolling, whatever next - sleep perhaps?

[Wizzska]

Hello ladies, will you join me here?

ds1 pretends to feed his teddy bear, then says now the other boobie lol

Can't sleep.....ME not the baby GRRRRR

F*k and B*ger!. Have got a sore nipple again, how did that happen? Have got red blocked ducts again - how very tedious. Trust me to get cocky and think my nips were hard as nails. Let that be a lesson to all you ladies still BF!

Sorry Awen, didn't mean to offend you.

Awen - IKWYM.. I have a couple of friends who ff, and I always feel I have to apologise for bfing in case I offend them or make them feel bad, which is ridiculous. I'm a feed anywhere kind of gal, just in the pool I don't think is a good idea, for the same reason I would be about a baby being given a dummy or a bottle or a fruit shoot in the pool. I thought this is what Wizz meant TBH.
Sorry if I misinterpreted what you said Wizz - oh and sympathies on the nipple!
Mac - I've had that, blahdy annoying isn't it.

Just don't ask me what sort of night I had it was fahking awful...

*ridiculous because I don't think any worse of people because they happen to ff. I'm doing what's right for me and my baby as are they.

BT - poor you. Hope your night times get better. Ours are kind of improving, but slowly. Bed time routine, letting DS cry if necessary does seem to be making a bit of a difference. Now I only have to feed him twice in the night. When he wakes other times he doesn't cry, just snuffles about a bit which still wakes me but I think he's at least not crying out for me to help him get back to sleep.

Yes re BF in pool that was kind of what I meant. I didn't want to get in to a fight though or offend anyone.

good morning all!
Sorry i haven't posted, didn't turn on the laptop at all this weekend as i wanted to avoid being drawn into the other thread again.

Loucee- not the big white house (i wish!) but the grey stone one next door which is closer to the road.

DD has been a right little PITA this weekend. (sorry bad mother rant) I guess because of her conjunctivitis (now cleared), the growth spurt (milk supply now up - hurrah) and the 2 trips away we have been a bit at 6s and 7s. But, she has been constantly waaaaaing during the day, only to stop instantly the moment i pick her up and give me a big grin. I haven't stopped playing with her or anything, but she seems to want me constantly. I am afraid i will ahve to do tough love this week, i really hate it, but it worked before and i am at a loss as to what to do otherwise. I had a look at the link, but i need a solution now before i lose my temper with her. I have already put her in her room for 10 mins this morning, and now she is up there for a nap but was screaming beforehand again, only to stop and grin the moment i picked her up. Anyone else going through this? Any tips would be gratefully received. At least i didn't have to feed her in the night last night, but had to get up twice to settle her- but that is perfectly manageable.

I am thinking of designing a feeding chair. The one i have is the main one on the market and i think it is a bit shite TBH- will start a thread.

Hello RGPargy i remember your posts and the looooonnnng wait you had for your labour.

Suey - have answered your thread!

oo thanks BT! good points.
Me and my pal are thinking of designing a range from basic to deluxe.

Well the deluxe one should have an A/V/internet screen on which you can Mumsnet

hello everyone and especially everyone who had a fahking awful night last night. That includes you BT!

I can't really complain about a one year old being bf in public, but a dentist friend of mine did come across a seven (!!!!!) year old being bf. Her teeth were all rotted at the back. When he gently suggested to the mother that it might be time to stop on dental hygiene grounds if nothing else, she went off in a huff and never came back.

I wouldn't bf in a pool but I wouldn't give a bottle in a pool either.

Dundee I would love to meet you tomorrow at the Natural History Museum but sadly I have a baby massage class. Hope you have a great time- I hear they have a fabby butterfly tunnel, I would love to see that.

Clara- 3 hours in a spa, you lucky lucky thing . I have a bit of a problem with the bf on demand thing, in that I never really know when she will need feeding. Still, I have gone ahead and booked a facial next week - only 45 mins but I am sooooo excited about lying down and being pampered. I really hope DD doesn't notice my temporary absence- I have spent less than 7 hours (in total) apart from her in her life.

Wizz if you know a beauty therapist who will come to our house then count me in!

We're off on holiday on Friday to Devon for a week. I am just hoping that DD doesn't notice the move to a different room, cot etc. as she is sleeping pretty well at the moment. (touch wood). Anyone care to share their experiences of their LO sleeping in an unfamiliar environment?

Teething- There was one horrendous night a while ago but we located some teething gel (Calgel), which she adores, and things have been better since. DD is bobbing up and down on the bottle and the boob as though it hurts her. It's quite sad actually, seeing her get all frustrated. I'm guessing that is because it hurts her gums to suck?

off now to look at Suey2's thread. DD is avidly watching 'So You Think You Can Dance'- oh dear, is this suitable for a four month old?

Morning ladies

Suey - your dd sounds exactly like mine at the moment! I had a bad day with her on Friday although I did start a course of antibiotics then too so not sure if that was partly the cause. She is not very good at napping during the day but as she sleeps 7-6 most nights I feel I can't complain but I think she needs to nap during the day. I tried to put her in her cot about 3 or 4 times in the morning for a nap and she started screaming and when I went in she stopped immediately and smiled at me. She did this when I tried to put her to bed too and I was getting to the end of my tether. She eventually went to bed 2 hrs later than usual and I was nearly in tears by then as in a lot of pain with my ear infection.

I don't know what the answer is but hopefully someone else has more knowledge/experience of this??

My antibiotics don't seem to be affecting dd too much at the moment, thank goodness, but it has made my decide to gradually give up bf. She will be 18 wks on Thursday so I have fed her longer than I ever thought possible. To lessen the effects of my antibiotics we have been replacing at least one feed a day with EBM ( I have tons in the freezer!) so I'm not going to express now and try to reduce my supply gradually. I think I'll keep the morning and evening feeds for a few more weeks if my supply allows (it's always been plentiful) and I'm sure she'll be on to solids in 3-4 wks anyway.

Now that I've made the decision I feel really pleased. I have enjoyed some aspects of bf and feel really pleased that I managed to do it with relatively few problems but I feel as if I want to stop now and get my body back!

Sorry for the long post but it helps me to get it out.

Hope your nipple gets better soon, Wizz. You've had some horrible times with bf, haven't you?

Louise/Suey - as I write this, Martha is upstairs in her cot moaning her head off for being abandoned. I know she is tired but I really think they have reached that age now that they realise that being put in their cots means they are going to be left on their own. And baby's being the sociable creatures that they are, they just don't like it! OOOh I was just about to give up and go and get her, as soon as I got to the top of the stairs she went quiet, presumably asleep. I'm sure she does it on purpose to make me climb the stairs!!!

I shouldn't have started the post yesterday about breastfeeding in the pool, I'm very sorry, it is such an emotive subject and I didn't want anyone on this board to get upset or offended as it is generally a very supportive board. Hopefully we are all mature enough to recognise that we all chose to do things our own way and that what suits one person doesn't necessarily suit another. It's a bit of a tedious mantra, but as long as you are happy with your choice and don't feel pressurised into it, that's the most important thing!

Bouncingtrurtle - it's ironic really but I almost feel like I have to apologise for giving formula rather than you the other way round! I was at the supermarket buying some formula this morning and I wanted to wear a badge saying "I did breastfeed for the first 4 months, honestly"! But that's just my middle-class angst coming out in me.

I am now down to just two breastfeeds a day - when she wakes in the night and first thing in the morning. We have cut feeds down to six a day as I don't do the dreamfeed at the moment. For the past three nights she has gone down at 7pm, woken sometime around midnight for a feed and then slept (with one or two short waking periods of chatting)until 6 or 6.30am.

Clara I like your idea of a badge.

I have for some time wanted a T-shirt emblazoned with "Sorry". This could be used when:

• baby is screaming down train carriage
• baby is bobbing on and off boob in cafe, giving everyone eyeful
• cracking open formula in breast-feeding support group
• asking DH not to go out in the evening because I can't cope with 16 hours alone with the baby
• bf in front of friend who is miserable due to her inability to bf
• blocking way out of bus due to buggy pile-up

and I am sure you can think of many other uses! In fact I think I would wear it every day.

Perhaps Suey this is another business opportunity?

lol wobbegong!

If its any comfort BT apparently all babies tend to go thru a clingy patch at about 4 months which eases off after a couple of weeks then returns again around 7-8 months for a time. I think this is why they start moaning when you walk away - and probably isn't appeased by someone else picking them up?

My DD is just 15 weeks and has started doing this - grizzling with grandma but happy as soon as I take her back.

Luckily she can be distracted from the grizzle routine by a couple of things - having a kick with no nappy works quite well and if all else fails a little TV (we have So You Think You Can Dance - Australia on here at the moment!), or even both at the same time! She has got thoroughly bored with the animals hanging on her bouncy chair though - in fact her favourite distraction is DD1 dancing around!!

Wobbe, Clara - yes, count me in on a badge, or even a t shirt. Or we could get some of those trendy cotton shopping bags printed. Possibilities are endless. Can I have a sign on my front door too for the neighbours for when ds kicks off for all to hear at all hours.

Louise, glad you're feeling positive about ending BF, must admit it would be nice to get my body back, and a wardrobe that's not geared around getting my tits out. I'm going to crack on for another couple of months, because I'm too disorganised to sort out formula on a regular basis. I do use it every now and then but at least I have a boob for back up. Am determined to get over the soreness. I hope it won't take long as DS knows how to feed now and opens his mouth properly unlike when he was younger.

Sorry that should have been Suey not BT...

thanks buzzy! that's very reassuring. She did seem rather suddenly to turn into a monster and it coincided with her growth spurt, so i had no idea if she was hungry or just wanting attention

Hi guys. Sorry for lack of posts and all - internet issues among the many list of excuses. THings going on off here to be honest. DD1 is up and down manic (fingers crossed good for last few days!), DD2 seems to have decided off her own back that BF is not for her and she arches her back and screams the place down if I try and feed her during the day and will only take a bottle - which is crap although at night she's ok with me but boobs now hurting from inconsistent feeding, DH is currently bed (well sofa) bound for up to 3 weeks following an op on his foot on Friday and to top it all , all the crap PND feelings I had with DD1 have hit again and so I'm back on the AD's - so in general crap, crap crap

at the moment I'm doing to one day at a time bit and also have some great support from friends - DD1 is having a whale of a time as she's off adventuring most days - and DD2 is going out with her this afternoon with her 2 mad babysitters so I may even get to have a shower in peace - may even try a bath as at least I won't have to share with DD1 and multiple foam creatures and wot nots.

I haven't read through all the posts I've missed - reckoned by the time I did that DD2 would have woken up and then I wouldn't get time to say hello - sorry if I've missed anything good/bad - just hope you and the LO (well getting bigger by the day no doubt) are all well.

Loucee and Caz10 - won't be able to meet Wed (invalid Hubby not LO issues for a change) but maybe the week after? Hope you guys are both good - looking forward to seeing Fin and Ella again

Happy thoughts to you all out there anyway and I'll try and post at least once a day to keep in touch - in fact that might be one of my missions for 'me' each day ! xx

Hi Beanstermummie, just crashed in from Jan thread and saw your post. My boy did exactly the same, turns out his oral thrush had not cleared up despite lots of treatment and he had patches on the inside of his bottom lip etc. New treatment and now he is back to normal. Maybe worth a look for telltale white patches?

Hi all!

Just having a read through to catch up, sorry if I miss anything!

clara "as long as you are happy with your choice and don't feel pressurised into it, that's the most important thing!" - that is it exactly! and lol to your middle class angst, dh has accused me of only wanting to do BLW as i like to think i'm too posh for jars ho ho! I do hope to still be feeding DD at a year, but I would imagine just in the way you are just now, ie morning and night! having said that, i never thought i'd be doing it at 4mths, i think 6wks was my original target!

those who are bf-ing, that link you posted was fab awen - it is spot on for dd at the moment. Is everyone else finding the same? that is part of the reason i don't get to post on here as often as i'd like, her feeds are like battles these days! I need to practically hold her down with 2 hands, and she bobs off literally every 2 swallows to look at me! she is also into clawing, scratching, and pulling on my hair or bottom lip or neck. OW! she has well and truly reverted to 3hrly feeds, and even on Sunday night TWO hourly - 10, 12, 2, 4, then 5 - aaaaaaargh! it is a phase, it is a phase, it is a phase......

she is also -

• dribbling and chewing on everything
• screaming/laughing/just generally being noisy
• a bit clingy/strange with other people ...so I think she seems to be doing the same as all her little due-in-dec buddies?!

oh nappy time more later....

Afternoon all, hope you all had a good weekend! Am loving the new pics everyone is posting! Must put some updated ones of Evie on here. She rolled over on Saturday! She has been trying again today too, can get the bottom half over easily but her arms get in the way so takes longer to get her top half over - so proud though!

Clara, you are brave for posting on that thread! I do agree that BF in the pool is not great (or particularly safe) irrespective of the age of the child. I think that you should be able to BF anywhere (and I do) but I also try to respect the feelings of others by being discreet.

Wizz, I know just what you mean about the Jimmy Saville noises! DD does that too while she chomps on her thumb!

Hi RG! Hows things?

Loucee, I'd say tha it would be fine to leave them with a sensible 15 year old, especially if the kids are in bed anyway. DD also looks big for her age, my DSs did too and people do expect them to behave as old as they look. Bless your DD with the breast pump! My 2 nieces always boobie feed their dolls! Is a 2 finger gap in your muscles good or bad? My lower ones have closed up but the upper ones haven't. There is a 1 finger gap right down to my belly button and a 2 finger gap in my belly button. Were you given any exersises to pull them back together? (Any ideas Suey?)

Great link Awen! That is definitely what DD is like! She feeds best (and longest) first thing in the morning and last thing at night when there are less distractions. LOL at milk in your DS!'s DS!Hehe! I actually feel quite patronised when people say "aren't you brave/good for still BFing?!", I tend to reply that I do it cos I'm too lazy for formula!

Louise, sounds like you are feeling very positive about stopping BFing. I am aiming to feed DD for 6 months and although I feel very selfish, I feel I really would like my body back then (although will miss my boobs!). When I stopped BFing DS2 I started doing it when he started on solids. I dropped a feed every few days so I would not get engorged and fed his last feed on a quiet morning lying in bed - it was a lovely memory and although I felt sad for a few days that soon passed and I felt better. I think it must be even harder to stop when the child is older and they miss it too.

Beanster, sorry you have been having such a crap time {{{hugs}}}

what a fab link Awen DS's feeding is exactly like that for most of the day and has been having two night feeds (plus 5oz of expressed milk before bed) so that explains it perfectly.
I'm a bit worried about the prolactin receptors laid down in the first couple of wks but will just try and get supply up by demand feeding. (Not that I know my supply is down, just good to prepare myself!)

Glorious sunny day here, hope you all have similar weather. Braved Asda with DD (2.2) and DS and it was fine but I wont be in a hurry to repeat the experience as doing grocery shopping like that is quite boring and hard work!