May 07 - The one where some of us are already knocked up again...

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MrsJB, I am so sad that you have been feeling like this. You didnt even let on to me. I feel bad as i havent been on msn much and could have been your internet shoulder.. Am really looking forward to coming to see you all. This time in 2 months and we will be with you

LG&T hope Hugs is having a good birthday. 96 Muffins.... feel free to share

Nothing exciting to report here

MrsJB you're feeling down. Hope you feel better soon.

M2LB - sorry about your news. MC's are crappy. xx

Have posted here if anyone fancies giving me their 2p worth - don't want to clog up this page with my obsessing...

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/1364/465852

Hope all you pg ladies are doing well. Have to sort out O's sleep issues before I get up the duff methinks

I'll keep this one short as my head is literally splitting with pain. I'm surprised the ammount of alcohol I consumed last night didn't intoduce me to the hospital doors. C is now bawling her head off and all I want to do is go to bed.

Just wanted to come on and say to MRSJB, though it may not be, your symptoms sound exactly like mine. I left in for 7 months before going to a doctor and wouldn't advise it. Perhaps get yourself down to the docs and have a chat and see what they say. It may be that recent events have just stressed you out a bit and left you feeling blue, or like tyg said, you may have a spot of pnd. It's not pleasant but there is plenty of help out there. Just to let you know that I'm thinking of you

I'm going to crawl back into bed and hope I don't have C squeeling at me for the rest of the night, like she has been..........all day!

OMG Ella has just started climbing up the stairs!! Better dig out the stair gate

JW - you're leaving me - how could you!!

Seriously, sounds like you should hold out for best price on flat and then be extremely cheeky on house offers - milk that market baby

JL just about to post on your other thread.

Mrs JB god poor you I really feel that going to see your GP is a good starting point also can you feck off back to blighty to visit your sis sans enfant for a few days? bit of r&r.

Dont worry JL still got to get an offer etc but we will be holding out for a decent price.

M2CM serves you right for having fun. Isnt it bizarre how they seem to know when you are hungover and screech all day fro no apparant reason.

Bloody nora Ella well done on the climbing AM can you come to mine and let E teach A heis such a whinge bag he is getting very frustrated at not being able to crawl yet.

Also snot fest extrodinaire today went to the chemist and bought magical medised.

Oh scoot TYG just about to email you about Thursday.

Thank you...

PND? Really what after 8mths? I was a little down after J was born with the whole failed bf thing but I have been fine since. It's really been the last week. TYG it could be as you said "just things manifesting" and I suppose this is probably the first time in Months I've been able to chill a little. Maybe too much time for thinking going on.

It's only day 7 tonight of my pill so I'm really hoping it's all hormonal and will sort itself out in a few days. If not I'll perhaps stop the pill and see then. It is weird though, I've never been like this before it's a little scary when I feel it buildling.

I'll give it a few days if things don't improve with some positive thinking, some time for myself which I am going to demand in the next few days,and a few good nights sleep then I will go and see my lovely Dr.

I would love to get back to the UK on my own. Not quite so easy at the moment though. Dh working but pennies still short, school, flight's are limited this time of year etc.... My sis and Alfie are coming out here on the 10th Feb for 5 days Woooo Hoooo can't wait to have a squidge.

Thank you all for listening though.

JL; I hope you find a solution soon and get some sleep. I don't really have much advice, mine have all been good night sleepers from about 10 weeks so I haven't had to try the whole sleeping/eating thing. I do feel at this age though that they are capable of sleeping through and that food should not be a need at night, waking is often more of a habit and they need to learn not to wake and to settle again. However it is entirely a personal feeling and probably highly biased on the fact that mine have all slept well. I'm sure I would be deffending on the other side if one of mine did not sleep well. You just need to try different things and go with your instincts. Posted on here in fear of getting eaten alive on your other thread. Feeling a little vulnerable for that at the moment.

Mrs JB - I'm just reading that PND usually starts within about 6 months of giving birth. This leaflet seems very informative and not at all alarmist. I think it may actually cross a few things off the list for you.

Perhaps it might help you pinpoint what's getting you down or indeed, what isn't happening, which can be just as helpful.

If you feel better after some you-time then you must keep getting some you-time so that you stay healthy and balanced. It's important for your whole family, not just for you. Remind your family of that if you need to.

JL sorry to hear you are struggling with the sleeping. I am not much use to be honest, mine have all been totally different and it has not really made much difference what i do. As TYG said on the other thread her dd was laid back but A is a slave to the routine. You just have to muddle through making changes here and there untill you find his schedule. Not very helpful i know.

Also B is being a tinker still at night and we have just got very tough. He has been waking up later in the evening refusing to settle and coming back downstairs. Not a good idea as i then put a very overtired and grumpy baby up to bed as we want to go to sleep. He then screams on and off till 1-2 sometimes. So i have put him to bed and let him holler for the last 3 nights, last night he went all night!!! I do feel mean but he had just got himslef in to a bad habit.

MRSJB you poor love, silly thing suffering on your own. PND can start later but it does sound to me as though you could have been buzzing on adrenaline with everything going on and now it has all stopped. Combine that with the hormone crash\influx and you are suffering I always go through a bit of a blue phase about 6-7 months (i was before xmas) It is the hormones adjusting and the baby high suddenly dropping off. I will endeavour to be on MSN soon so we can chat and i will explain a bit more. I do the same blue bit when the baby is about 5-6 weeks old.

Must go and get up, B has been fed and thrown up all over me. He is snotty in the morning like the boogey monster and he has decorated me with it

Have a Hugs pic to load later too.

Durrr... THIS leaflet.

Thanks Guys, I've posted on the other thread that it all went Pete Tong last night. Hoping I can get more of a result tonight!

Mrs JB - a friend of mine got PND later than she expected too. She tried ST Johns Wart as didn't want to go straight on to the heavier stuff. May be worth a try. But speak to your GP first as others have suggested. Best not to just struggle on.

Good morning all!

Well I'm still preggers, and still don't know what to think about it all. I need to make an appointment to see what's going on.

I don't feel pregnant (I mean with the other two I knew), but I'm letting myself get a little excited. Not quite sure what everyone else in RL will think, but I am allowing myself to be happy.

Thats positive news M2LB, hoping all is as you want it. lots of love to you. xxx

lg&t, would be lovely to have a chat on msn soon. It's been ages.

Thanks for the leaflet TYG. I'm doing Ok today, things definately seem worse morning and night. Getting to sleep is not easy but dh is being VERY understanding, bless him.

I have started using the naughty spot for Maddie today, found a round red rug which I have placed in the kitchen and explained it's purpose. She hasn't needed it yet though so thats good. I thought it may help me to focus on dealing with her tantrums and begin to feel in control of the situation rather than feeling crap for spending my whole life yelling, which I know is not helpful and unfair on her.
Onwards and upwards as they say!

If it was me MrsJB i would be sitting on the round rug saying get yer own

Latinomom such good news that this LO is holding on. Get a scan pronto i think and have a look. What a worrying time for you. How are the kids and work? Are you resting?

I have things to do but am too tired. I must go and make tea before i pick up dd from Irish Dancing (TYG you would be proud)

Good plan lg&t, if they leave me long enough I may even start rocking!!

yippeeeeeee I am back

I have just got my connection today, after a few days of trying to work out how to get a signal past our enormous trees, some poor bugger hung halfway off the roof and attached an antenna that does nothing for the beauty of the house but everything for my signal and here I am

I can't possibly hope to catch up with whats been going on, so I need a synopsis please...

All is fine here (well with us at least), I shall post all the news later but just now I have to dash off to make my prawn and mango curry. I just wanted to say HEEELLLLLLOOOOOOO

Yey, the Cam is back. Aghhhhhhhh I've missed you. Maybe thats my problem I've been pineing for you.

So glad you are well and back on line, tell us all about the fabulous new life when you can. Ohhhhh how exciting. xxx

MrsJB - don't really have anything constructive to say that hasn't already been said. Just sending lots of hugs your way xx

Cam - hello hello. Bugger the curry...tell us how everything is

M2LB - a scan sounds like a good idea. Hope you keep feeling good and everyone gives you a chance to get some rest each day.

JL - sorry to hear last night was hard work. Tilda fed 3 times after going down at 6pm which is better than it has been. I'm thinking of trying water as well but she won't drink out of any of the plethora of cups and attachments I've bought. She will only drink it out of a normal glass with me holding it so hopefully it won't wake her up too much

Hello to everyone else

Hoooray! Cam is back.

M2LB - So glad the test was still positive. Hope you're feeling ok.

Tam - have you thought about a Doidy Cup. If Tilda doesn't like spouted cups, she might find one of these easier to learn to use herself.

A had a crap night again last night. I'm shattered. I went to bed at midnight (fool) and she was up between 4.30am and 6, then back to bed for a little snooze before we were up again. She's wasking to be fed at 4ish, presumably because she's not eating much in the day and bottles are a hassle with the blocked nose.

She sounded awfully croaky and wheezy in the night, so I brought her to the doctors today. Was concerned as DH is asthmatic and I've been known to have a wheeze now and then. Of course, she's fine. It was just phlegm in her throat or something. Doctor was nice and didn't treat me like a panicky numpty. He told me how they usually spot asthma in babies. Apparently it's not usually wheezing, but dry coughing in the night. Said that it's hard for them even to diagnose and that if we suspect it, that they'll give me and inhaler for her and if it helps, then it's asthma.

The fresh air seemed to do her some good and she was very patient today whilst I found not one, but two pairs of knee-high boots in the Clarks sale, which actually fit my chunky calves. One black, one brown. (The boots that is, not my calves.) Hooray. Amazing what you can achieve when you park the baby in front of a mirror for 20 minutes.

So here we go! Life in Nairobi...

The house is rather enormous and empty, slightly dated but certainly plenty of space to loose children within and around quite easily! And more to the point, plenty of space for visitors. The garden is fantastic, surrounded by bush and few houses, it doesn?t feel like the edge of a city. Admittedly you do have to look past the electric fence surrounding the garden and the bars on the doors and window plus rather loud alarm system and say that at least we can hear a cacophany of birdsong instead of the rumble of loud lorries.

Dd and ds1 have settled in very well to their new school (phew). ds1 surprisingly has taken it more in his stride than dd (she doesn't like the school dinners has, though it has helped that he has found a ?best friend? pretty much straight away and seeing a monkey in his school playground made his first day rather special. The school is very friendly and welcoming and the playdates are now rolling in. Needless to say J has charmed all the teachers already!

He is desperate to move and can almost make it, but is getting very frustrated. He is however still the world?s fattest and happiest baby and is about to pop his top two teeth any day now. He has taken to Margaret our new housegirl very well and only ever cries when he sees me!

Meanwhile dh has had his first client workshop which went very well so we are hoping that his networking should bring him more work in the near future. In the meantime he is travelling to the US for some work for a week.

So that is the nice stuff, we are enjoying it here, catching up with old friends, fabulous climate, the sun is shining, the supermarkets and malls are just amazing, however the country itself is in such a crisis. There is an enormous amount of tension upcountry with blockades and immense levels of violence in certain towns along the main road from Nairobi to Uganda. Not to mention the continuing political impasse. The people here are seriously depressed about what is happening to their country and how such acts of violence can be happening. People now seem less concerned about the outcome of the election and understandably are more worried about the continuing violence. We are currently quite far from where the troubles are and from where the difficulties have been in Nairobi itself and its difficult to believe what is going on upcountry when we are carrying on with the daily routine of our lives.

I shall fill you in as we go along with the quirky bits of living in Africa, hopefully they should result in a chuckle or two

Now there is no way I can catch up, but from what i am seeing M2LB is in the early days of uptheduffski? MrsJB obviously needs to be eating some more jaffa cakes to bring her her smile back, LG&T has fed 96 children a muffin each and Hugs has made 3! Happy Birthday hugs. Tam is now happily back in the fold. Pebble's football team has wupped the backside off the giants, Julie is moving to the country, M2CM is relearning how to become a party animal and TYG is going on some superduper round the world trip .

Most importantly it seems these May babies are all a bit sniffly no colds out here and are not so good at sleeping at the moment. J too is still waking once and having booby. All other booby times are banned, the milk bar is officially closed in Nairobi.

Anyway I look forward to trying to catch up with everyone's news, and, I really really missed you all.

Cam you missed that nearly 1/2 the thread is up the duff!! I wanna be too - just need to get in the mood...

TYG - I swear you are the fountain of all knowledge!

M2LB - Hurrah!! Glad it wasn't what you suspected. Fingers crossed for you. Bugger what people in RL think. As long as you and your DH are happy about it. x

I've posted mpre about my sleep issues over in sleep. Another day, another attempt to take control. We'll see how tonight goes.

Anyway, DH is home tomorrow, so je cam help me be strong.

YAY Cam is back! So good to see you back on line.

Had a waste of a day today! Spent 5hours at the solicitors waiting to sign some forms that i had been told were ready for me. Everytime i gave them a deadline for leaving they just ignored it. Luckily i was able to get my mum to pick the kids up from nursery, but i still didnt leave until 7pm. Just found out that even though i have signed these nothing is going to happen until tomorrow . Poor dh is still there!! At least i guess it means he can come home at a fairly decent hour rather than the 2/3am i was expecting....

Was supposed to be getting my hair cut and also getting a few last bits for dh's birthday tomorrow. None of which could be done.

Will now go and have a proper catch up

OK Midwife appointment is scheduled for tomorrow at 2:30. I've been a little sick lately, but that is just passing. I am trying to rest, but today was not the day for that, but at least I'm home and it's still early so can put my feet up with the kids.

Cam, I'm so happy you're doing ok.

Really glad for you M22LB.

Hurrah Cam is back, we have been a little concerened about you and yours what we are seeing on the news is a little distressing. Delighted to hear that all is well.

Had our offer accepted today - woo hoo. Just got to sell ours now. We did get an offer today but it was laughable. So have told the agent we have a bottom price and we will not go below it. Now I can start dreaming a little about how to decorate and furnish the house. Well actually will be dreaming for a long time as even when we move we will be unlikely to be avle to afford any furniture or to decorate it. But hey ho I will have 4 bedrooms and a garden.

AM what a day. Hows work going?

Mrs JB I knwo this may sound odd but i had a boyfriend who suffered severe depression and the GP said that St Johns wort was a good thing to take and to exercise, swimming etc as it releases the happy hormones. Really hope you are feeling a bit better.

Evening all

CAM! So glad you're all ok out there, not at all jealous of the fabulous weather you're having, not at all, no siiiireeeeee, not me, nu uh!

AM what a nightmare! Numpty solicitors, gah!

M2lb, still thinking of you. Hope you're feeling alright and trying to rest as much as possible.

Mrsjb, hope you're feeling better too. It sucks to feel low.

TYG your trip looks amazing!

Hey to everyone else

Well I had my first appt with a therapist today, which was tough! Wow, they have a way of drudging up the past. He was such a nice man though, and I rather surprisingly found it easier to talk to him then I did with the female HV's. Seeing him again in 2 weeks time when I get back from London. Felt good to talk to somebody who seemed to understand me though. C went to sleep about half an hour ago as she was really fighting it tonight. Last few nights she's been down at half 7 which has been fab. Feeling really exhausted today, didn't sleep well last night.

Had baby music class this morning then went for some lunch with a friend. My Silvercross pram was also collected today, I really miss it lol! Also got in C's new carseat today which is fab.

Not much else to report, hope you're all ok. Off to bed now as I'm so tired! Night all.