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October 2007 - the golden piglets have landed

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Mumpbump · 26/09/2007 19:33

I couldn't find a postnatal thread - not sure if I am just missing it with post-childbirth brain! Anyone else around??

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inzidoodle · 17/11/2007 12:35

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designerbaby · 17/11/2007 13:36

Hi all...

Isabella Grace born 10th November at 5.44pm
Weighing in at a hefty 9lbs 8oz.

Don't know where the days go!? Between feedings and changings and trying to cram some sleep in here and there I blink and miss a couple of days! So, sorry it's taken so long to update you...

Here goes the story of our marathon labour... Hardly a textbook birth, suffice to say, and certainly not the water/hypno/gasandair experience we'd envisaged...

Started having contractions after my second sweep on Thursday - while on the monitor at the OAU, actually... nothing particularly strong, but regular enough for the midwives to say "ooh doesn't seem like you'll be needing the induction tomorrow then"... famous last words (#1)... I'm only 1cm dilated and 50% effaced though.

Everything stopped at midnight, so I got 3 precious hours sleep, before it all started off again at 3am.

Went into hospital the next morning as planned, and although I was having contractions, it wasn't really building , so they decided to give me a dose of misoprostil (sp? - anyway, prostaglandin in pill form). Midwife says "I think you'll be one of those women who just needs the one pill to get things moving"... famous last words (#2).

8 hours later, have walked the halls of the Homerton several times over and been up and down the stairs so many times I think I wore a groove. Still contracting but not strongly, 2 more internals, STILL 1 cm.

Second dose of prostaglandin.

2 hours later waters break spontaneously, and contractions step up by several gears, after 2 hours, they're painful enough for me to demand some gas and air, duly provided.

But I'm still 1cm.

2 hours later, (midnight) and there are now no breaks whatsoever between contractions - it's just pretty much one constant contraction which goes on for 4 hours. The gas and air isn't even making a dent, even though I've gotten through an entire tank of the stuff, I am screaming the place down - it's an antenatal ward with loads of poor women trying to recover from C-sections and it's the middle of the night.

Another internal, and I'm now...

1.5cm.

Baby is fine throughout, by the way... steady heart rate of 135 with not a waver. Nothing bothers this one, it seems.

Eventually the consultant arrives, (after much pestering from Alex, and possibly other poor women on the ward desperate for some sleep...) pronounces me 2cm (whey-hey) makes an executive decision NOT to wait for the regulation 3cm and gets me downstairs to delivery suite for an epidural.

Best bloody thing in the history of the universe IMHO. (Bit tricky to get in, as you're supposed to do it in-between contractions, but there was no 'in-between', and trying to hold perfectly still during a contraction which has been going on for 4 hours is pretty tough). 15 minutes later and all the pain stops. Such pure blessed relief... I think I may have professed undying love for the anaesthetist (female).

Get hooked up to oxytocin drip to ensure contractions don't stop also.

4 hours later I'm at 7cm!!

That's the good news. The bad news is that baby has passed meconium (grade 3, otherwise known as "a real pea souper" by the midwives... I just couldn't believe HOW MUCH of it there was) at some point, although there are no other signs of distress, so it's probably just down to being overdue. However, it means that time is now of the essence, as they don't want to leave her swimming in it for too long as she might swallow it or breathe it in. I have to get those last 3 centimeters dilated so I start hip wiggling like a mad thing to Ella Fitzgerald... (BTW even with the epidural I was able to feel my legs and be mobile throughout).

It takes me 8 more hours to get to 9cm. There's a brief deceleration in baby's heart beat (which the midwife thinks is because the monitor came loose) and the consultant says "enough" and that we have to get the baby delivered NOW, and that he'll use forceps. However, on clocking the size of baby's head, he decides there's a chance he won't be able to get her out, and decides to do it in theatre just in case they have to do a crash C-section.

Suddenly there are pediatricians, anaesthetists and more midwives than I can count, and everything moves very fast and is a bit scary from here.

Wheeled into theatre and after 10 minutes of full-on pushing from me and eye-popping pulling on the forceps from the consulant and his assistant (!?) she's out. 30 minutes of embroidery down below, and I'm in recovery and Issie is feeding like a pro. APGAR was 8/10/10, so no adverse effects from the meconium either.

All's well that ends well, as they say... although the birth plan may have been a bit of a waste of time and paper!

Issie was completely unfazed by the whole thing - her heart rate didn't even fluctuate during the forceps delivery. And while the episiotomy, extended 3° tear and cervical lacerations mean that things are a bit uncomfortable for me at the moment, we're both doing just fine. We had brilliant doctors and midwives throughout, great continuity of care, and while it was all a bit traumatic at times, I always felt looked after and that someone had the situation under control - I really can't fault them.

She is HUGE, looks about 2 months old already, very fat, and very very cute. She's feeding well, sleeping well and seems to have put herself on a nice 3-4hour schedule.

Moral of this story?

If you're 5ft 1", and your husband is a 6ft 3" rugby playing South African with a big head, don't allow your baby to go 2 weeks overdue... !!

Glad to see you over here too Choc... phew - what a wait for us both!

Lots of love,
DB & baby Issie

designerbaby · 17/11/2007 13:38

Apricott - boy - Huw - 10-10-07 - 8 lbs - 'normal' vb - 2nd degree tear - exclusive breast-feeding - dd is 12 and in love with her little brother.

Nellie - 19-10-07 - girl - Madeleine Rose - 6lb 8oz - elective section following previous emergency section with DS who is 2.5yrs. B/feeding.

TheLadyEvenstar - 18-09-07 - 5lb 15oz - speedy birth lol - 2nd rugrat - ds1 Karl 9 yrs (still think i must have lost the plot to do it again) bf for first 6 weeks now ff ahhhhh he sleeps even better now lol

FloriaTosca- 26/09/07- Boy - Alexander -7lb 13oz - induced (due to pre-eclampsia)17.5 hr labour, 3rd degree tear. Exclusively breastfed.

Mrs Fish - 5/10/07 - Boy - Benjamin - 8lb 11oz - emergency c-section due to Ben being breech - child No 2, have ds1 Sam. Bf for first 24 hours then switched to ff, best decision I made

Missbumpy - 13/10/07 - Baby Rosa 7lb 10oz - 1st child, breastfeeding (with difficulty!)

ejt1764 - 1/10/07 - girl - Mairwen - 6lb12oz - water vbac - child number 2, also have ds, who's 5 - still exclusively bf, but may introduce formula soon!

alicet - 02/10/2007 - boy - Adam - 7lb14oz - elective c-section following previous emergency section with ds1 - child number 2, have ds1 Sam - was bf for about a month before I caved and hit the bottle (or Adam did...)

J20 - 5/10/07-girl-Shannon-venthouse, episiotomy and forceps-also have dd1 age 7-bf +1/2 bottle(s) a day

Muppetgirl - 5/11/07 - boy- Henry - 9lb 15 1/2 ozs - forceps - 3rd degree tear - child number 2 - ds1 Oliver - breast fed with formula feed at 10pm to get me some sleep (I go to bed at 8pm!! and he wakes up at around 2am so I get 6 hrs sleep- wahoooo!!!)

Stefka - 21/10/07 - boy - Darheh - 7ilb 5oz - currently bf with great difficulty.

Greedy - 10/10/07 - girl - Marcy - 8lb 9 1/2oz - also have ds 4 and dd1 nearly 3 - ff i am afraid!

Choc Hobnob - 13/11/07 - girl - Rebecca Alice - 6 lb 13oz - emergency c-section - trying to bf but not sure it's going to work!

inzidoodle - 03/11/07 - girl - Jane Catherine - 10lb 15oz - emergency c-section - bf 2 weeks gave in to bottle as too anaemic and weak

Designerbaby - 10/11/07 - girl - Isabella Grace - 9lbs 8oz - forceps delivery, extended 3rd degree tear and cervical laceration - breasfeeding going OK so far - I think...

TheLadyEvenstar · 17/11/2007 13:46

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Collywobbles · 17/11/2007 14:38

Apricott - boy - Huw - 10-10-07 - 8 lbs - 'normal' vb - 2nd degree tear - exclusive breast-feeding - dd is 12 and in love with her little brother.

Nellie - 19-10-07 - girl - Madeleine Rose - 6lb 8oz - elective section following previous emergency section with DS who is 2.5yrs. B/feeding.

TheLadyEvenstar - 18-09-07 - 5lb 15oz - speedy birth lol - 2nd rugrat - ds1 Karl 9 yrs (still think i must have lost the plot to do it again) bf for first 6 weeks now ff ahhhhh he sleeps even better now lol

FloriaTosca- 26/09/07- Boy - Alexander -7lb 13oz - induced (due to pre-eclampsia)17.5 hr labour, 3rd degree tear. Exclusively breastfed.

Mrs Fish - 5/10/07 - Boy - Benjamin - 8lb 11oz - emergency c-section due to Ben being breech - child No 2, have ds1 Sam. Bf for first 24 hours then switched to ff, best decision I made

Missbumpy - 13/10/07 - Baby Rosa 7lb 10oz - 1st child, breastfeeding (with difficulty!)

ejt1764 - 1/10/07 - girl - Mairwen - 6lb12oz - water vbac - child number 2, also have ds, who's 5 - still exclusively bf, but may introduce formula soon!

alicet - 02/10/2007 - boy - Adam - 7lb14oz - elective c-section following previous emergency section with ds1 - child number 2, have ds1 Sam - was bf for about a month before I caved and hit the bottle (or Adam did...)

J20 - 5/10/07-girl-Shannon-venthouse, episiotomy and forceps-also have dd1 age 7-bf +1/2 bottle(s) a day

Muppetgirl - 5/11/07 - boy- Henry - 9lb 15 1/2 ozs - forceps - 3rd degree tear - child number 2 - ds1 Oliver - breast fed with formula feed at 10pm to get me some sleep (I go to bed at 8pm!! and he wakes up at around 2am so I get 6 hrs sleep- wahoooo!!!)

Stefka - 21/10/07 - boy - Darheh - 7ilb 5oz - currently bf with great difficulty.

Greedy - 10/10/07 - girl - Marcy - 8lb 9 1/2oz - also have ds 4 and dd1 nearly 3 - ff i am afraid!

Choc Hobnob - 13/11/07 - girl - Rebecca Alice - 6 lb 13oz - emergency c-section - trying to bf but not sure it's going to work!

inzidoodle - 03/11/07 - girl - Jane Catherine - 10lb 15oz - emergency c-section - bf 2 weeks gave in to bottle as too anaemic and weak

Designerbaby - 10/11/07 - girl - Isabella Grace - 9lbs 8oz - forceps delivery, extended 3rd degree tear and cervical laceration - breasfeeding going OK so far - I think...

Collywobbles - 04/11/07 - boy - Jacob Noah Patrick - 8lbs 15oz - induced/forceps delivery - episiotomy - breastfeeding (trouble at start due to low iron count following blood loss during birth) seems to be improving now though.

unicorn · 17/11/2007 14:41

Apricott - boy - Huw - 10-10-07 - 8 lbs - 'normal' vb - 2nd degree tear - exclusive breast-feeding - dd is 12 and in love with her little brother.

Nellie - 19-10-07 - girl - Madeleine Rose - 6lb 8oz - elective section following previous emergency section with DS who is 2.5yrs. B/feeding.

TheLadyEvenstar - 18-09-07 - 5lb 15oz - speedy birth lol - 2nd rugrat - ds1 Karl 9 yrs (still think i must have lost the plot to do it again) bf for first 6 weeks now ff ahhhhh he sleeps even better now lol

FloriaTosca- 26/09/07- Boy - Alexander -7lb 13oz - induced (due to pre-eclampsia)17.5 hr labour, 3rd degree tear. Exclusively breastfed.

Mrs Fish - 5/10/07 - Boy - Benjamin - 8lb 11oz - emergency c-section due to Ben being breech - child No 2, have ds1 Sam. Bf for first 24 hours then switched to ff, best decision I made

Missbumpy - 13/10/07 - Baby Rosa 7lb 10oz - 1st child, breastfeeding (with difficulty!)

ejt1764 - 1/10/07 - girl - Mairwen - 6lb12oz - water vbac - child number 2, also have ds, who's 5 - still exclusively bf, but may introduce formula soon!

alicet - 02/10/2007 - boy - Adam - 7lb14oz - elective c-section following previous emergency section with ds1 - child number 2, have ds1 Sam - was bf for about a month before I caved and hit the bottle (or Adam did...)

J20 - 5/10/07-girl-Shannon-venthouse, episiotomy and forceps-also have dd1 age 7-bf +1/2 bottle(s) a day

Muppetgirl - 5/11/07 - boy- Henry - 9lb 15 1/2 ozs - forceps - 3rd degree tear - child number 2 - ds1 Oliver - breast fed with formula feed at 10pm to get me some sleep (I go to bed at 8pm!! and he wakes up at around 2am so I get 6 hrs sleep- wahoooo!!!)

Stefka - 21/10/07 - boy - Darheh - 7ilb 5oz - currently bf with great difficulty.

Greedy - 10/10/07 - girl - Marcy - 8lb 9 1/2oz - also have ds 4 and dd1 nearly 3 - ff i am afraid!

Choc Hobnob - 13/11/07 - girl - Rebecca Alice - 6 lb 13oz - emergency c-section - trying to bf but not sure it's going to work!

inzidoodle - 03/11/07 - girl - Jane Catherine - 10lb 15oz - emergency c-section - bf 2 weeks gave in to bottle as too anaemic and weak

Designerbaby - 10/11/07 - girl - Isabella Grace - 9lbs 8oz - forceps delivery, extended 3rd degree tear and cervical laceration - breasfeeding going OK so far - I think...

unicorn - 22/10/07 - boy - Ronan Thomas - 8lbs 6oz (also have a dd(8) ds(5)) - very quick labour (3hrs)- breastfeeding ok but very hungry babe, so may intro ff sooner...

unicorn · 17/11/2007 14:45

hi all, just adding self to roll call...
and quick hi whilst he's asleep.

Moses baskets are a waste of time I think. R will not sleep in his at all.

Anyone who needs to get little one to sleep I recommend taking them out for a long walk.. it seems to really help Ronan.

We are still having the 10pm screaming fit,(can go on for hour/2) can't work out what it is - it doesn't seem to be colic, he just seems very stressed, and needing to have a really good scream... hoping it is a phase he will grow through soon..does anyone else have any experience of anything like this?

will read up on posts when I have a minute (hoho!)
take care all xx

Dalrymps · 17/11/2007 15:41

Apricott - boy - Huw - 10-10-07 - 8 lbs - 'normal' vb - 2nd degree tear - exclusive breast-feeding - dd is 12 and in love with her little brother.

Nellie - 19-10-07 - girl - Madeleine Rose - 6lb 8oz - elective section following previous emergency section with DS who is 2.5yrs. B/feeding.

TheLadyEvenstar - 18-09-07 - 5lb 15oz - speedy birth lol - 2nd rugrat - ds1 Karl 9 yrs (still think i must have lost the plot to do it again) bf for first 6 weeks now ff ahhhhh he sleeps even better now lol

FloriaTosca- 26/09/07- Boy - Alexander -7lb 13oz - induced (due to pre-eclampsia)17.5 hr labour, 3rd degree tear. Exclusively breastfed.

Mrs Fish - 5/10/07 - Boy - Benjamin - 8lb 11oz - emergency c-section due to Ben being breech - child No 2, have ds1 Sam. Bf for first 24 hours then switched to ff, best decision I made

Missbumpy - 13/10/07 - Baby Rosa 7lb 10oz - 1st child, breastfeeding (with difficulty!)

ejt1764 - 1/10/07 - girl - Mairwen - 6lb12oz - water vbac - child number 2, also have ds, who's 5 - still exclusively bf, but may introduce formula soon!

alicet - 02/10/2007 - boy - Adam - 7lb14oz - elective c-section following previous emergency section with ds1 - child number 2, have ds1 Sam - was bf for about a month before I caved and hit the bottle (or Adam did...)

J20 - 5/10/07-girl-Shannon-venthouse, episiotomy and forceps-also have dd1 age 7-bf +1/2 bottle(s) a day

Muppetgirl - 5/11/07 - boy- Henry - 9lb 15 1/2 ozs - forceps - 3rd degree tear - child number 2 - ds1 Oliver - breast fed with formula feed at 10pm to get me some sleep (I go to bed at 8pm!! and he wakes up at around 2am so I get 6 hrs sleep- wahoooo!!!)

Stefka - 21/10/07 - boy - Darheh - 7ilb 5oz - currently bf with great difficulty.

Greedy - 10/10/07 - girl - Marcy - 8lb 9 1/2oz - also have ds 4 and dd1 nearly 3 - ff i am afraid!

Choc Hobnob - 13/11/07 - girl - Rebecca Alice - 6 lb 13oz - emergency c-section - trying to bf but not sure it's going to work!

inzidoodle - 03/11/07 - girl - Jane Catherine - 10lb 15oz - emergency c-section - bf 2 weeks gave in to bottle as too anaemic and weak

Designerbaby - 10/11/07 - girl - Isabella Grace - 9lbs 8oz - forceps delivery, extended 3rd degree tear and cervical laceration - breasfeeding going OK so far - I think...

Dalrymps - 30/10/07 - boy - Dylan McGregor - 6lb 5oz - natural birth, gas and air, back 2 back, 3rd degree tear - bf with one sore boob!

alicet · 17/11/2007 16:46

Congratulations db and welcome Isabella! Sounds like a pretty traumatic experience but glad you were well looked after and are doing well. Think I made the right decision on the elective section - I am 5ft and dh is 6ft 4 so similar to you and your dh!!!

Choc great to see you here honey! Hope all is going well for you and your gorgeous girl. Your birth sounds very very scary but delighted you felt so well cared for - just like I did with Sam (and Adam although clearly nothing scary about his arrival!!) They are great at the RVI I think. If there is anything I can do to help give me a shout - I am now mobile again having passed the 6 week milestone... Will give you a call in a few days to catch up.

Inzi - sounds like you have made the right decision for you honey. You being happy and well is so so much more important than any amount of breast milk and you have managed to feed her over the crucial time anyway so you should be very proud of yourself. You may have missed it but I am ff too and its the best decision I ever made. My breasts took about a week to settle - I gave Adam intermittent feeds during that time to ease the discomfort which worked for us and have now been a week without. Thinking of you all xxx

Hi LES, Apricott (its been a while!) unicorn and everyone else who has posted - sorry my memory isn't bearing up very well! LES hope you are OK - saw your outburst!

Well I am feeling rough as shite today. Horrible cold looming - I'm just very lucky its happened while all my family are here so I have spent the day in bed while they have looked after my gorgeous little boys. Just surfaced to chill on the sofa... Will prob be about tomorrow but unlikely later. Thinking of you all xxx

alicet · 17/11/2007 16:51

OK so I'm an anal retentive and have now changed the roll call to date order!

And Floria - thinking of you honey. Its hard to be separated from them isn't it? Makes you love them all the more when you are reunited though...x

TheLadyEvenstar - 18-09-07 - 5lb 15oz - speedy birth lol - 2nd rugrat - ds1 Karl 9 yrs (still think i must have lost the plot to do it again) bf for first 6 weeks now ff ahhhhh he sleeps even better now lol

FloriaTosca- 26/09/07- Boy - Alexander -7lb 13oz - induced (due to pre-eclampsia)17.5 hr labour, 3rd degree tear. Exclusively breastfed.

ejt1764 - 1/10/07 - girl - Mairwen - 6lb12oz - water vbac - child number 2, also have ds, who's 5 - still exclusively bf, but may introduce formula soon!

alicet - 02/10/2007 - boy - Adam - 7lb14oz - elective c-section following previous emergency section with ds1 - child number 2, have ds1 Sam - was bf for about a month before I caved and hit the bottle (or Adam did...)

J20 - 5/10/07-girl-Shannon-venthouse, episiotomy and forceps-also have dd1 age 7-bf +1/2 bottle(s) a day

Mrs Fish - 5/10/07 - Boy - Benjamin - 8lb 11oz - emergency c-section due to Ben being breech - child No 2, have ds1 Sam. Bf for first 24 hours then switched to ff, best decision I made

Apricott - boy - Huw - 10-10-07 - 8 lbs - 'normal' vb - 2nd degree tear - exclusive breast-feeding - dd is 12 and in love with her little brother.

Greedy - 10/10/07 - girl - Marcy - 8lb 9 1/2oz - also have ds 4 and dd1 nearly 3 - ff i am afraid!

Missbumpy - 13/10/07 - Baby Rosa 7lb 10oz - 1st child, breastfeeding (with difficulty!)

Nellie - 19-10-07 - girl - Madeleine Rose - 6lb 8oz - elective section following previous emergency section with DS who is 2.5yrs. B/feeding.

Stefka - 21/10/07 - boy - Darheh - 7ilb 5oz - currently bf with great difficulty.

Dalrymps - 30/10/07 - boy - Dylan McGregor - 6lb 5oz - natural birth, gas and air, back 2 back, 3rd degree tear - bf with one sore boob!

inzidoodle - 03/11/07 - girl - Jane Catherine - 10lb 15oz - emergency c-section - bf 2 weeks gave in to bottle as too anaemic and weak

Muppetgirl - 5/11/07 - boy- Henry - 9lb 15 1/2 ozs - forceps - 3rd degree tear - child number 2 - ds1 Oliver - breast fed with formula feed at 10pm to get me some sleep (I go to bed at 8pm!! and he wakes up at around 2am so I get 6 hrs sleep- wahoooo!!!)

Designerbaby - 10/11/07 - girl - Isabella Grace - 9lbs 8oz - forceps delivery, extended 3rd degree tear and cervical laceration - breasfeeding going OK so far - I think...

Choc Hobnob - 13/11/07 - girl - Rebecca Alice - 6 lb 13oz - emergency c-section - trying to bf but not sure it's going to work!

MrsFish · 17/11/2007 17:30

Congratulations designerbaby what an epic labour. I can sympathise with you on the one long contraction, thats what happened with me with ds1, they struggled to get the epidural in me too. At least it all ended well though

LES - What on earth is the matter?

ejt1764 · 17/11/2007 20:02

inzi - unbind your boobs - you'll make matters worse!! Try to hand express a little off, then put warm flannels on your boobs - in fact, do that first, then express, and afterwards put cool wet teatowels (or cabbage leaves) on your boobs ... if you're going to stop the bf, then should should phase it out - you'll end up with mastitis if you just stop now!!

alice - thanks for putting it into date order ... was going to do it, but you beat me to it!!

congratulations designerbaby - your labour sounds a lot like mine with ds - those prostin pains are way worse than labour pains ... well done on your vb - I didn't manage that, and ended up with a C Section!

FT - hugs to you!

Can't remember if I said it before, but congrats choc

unicorn - have you tried swaddling him? That worked a treat with ds when he had had enough. Either that, or try the kangaroo hold - hold babe around the middle with one hand, and through his legs with the other - facing away from you. Stand looking at a blank wall if you have one - he may be reacting to being a bit overstimulated.

love to all ... no real news from me today - ds's Godfather has come over tonight, and is staying over - he flew in from Dubai this morning, and ds is very excited - Simon has played Mousetrap, sat next to ds at teatime, then did stories ... he's now nodding off on our sofa!

Fancy another glass of wine ... wonder if the boys will open the champagne we were given to celebrate dd's birth?

ejt1764 · 17/11/2007 20:03

LES - hope all's well ...

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alicet · 17/11/2007 20:51

inzi I don't know what the best thing to do is to help when stopping bf - when I did I slowly phased out feeds over the course of a week. First started giving alternate feeds as formula then once my breasts became less uncomfortable reduced them one at a time. Expected it to take longer than a week! Good luck....

alicet · 17/11/2007 20:55

Just looked in my bf book and it says you can just stop (doesn't mention binding at all either to do or not to do) but it will take several days for breasts to get the message and then a further 2-3 for the milk to be absorbed. Also run risk of mastitis.

Another thing I did when weaning Adam off was to partially feed off each breast, deliberately not emptying them which eased the discomfort and also I think helped to wean quicker...

You may not want to bf anymore now you have decided to stop and I can understand that but it might be worth you feeding Jane a little off each side when they start to become uncomfortable to make it easier for you x

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TheLadyEvenstar · 17/11/2007 21:03

hiya peeps,
well i have finally managed to calm down. I have had to hide in bedroom with Zach as ds1 has been driving me up the wall. to cut a very long tantrum into a short space here goes.....

ds1 stays with nanna last night, dp collects him on his way home from work they get home at 7.25am, send ds1 back to bed as he is half asleep, do dp some brekkie and a coffee and lay down with ds2 and him. get up after 45 minutes as ds2 wants feeding. Ds1 gets up with me and is fine a bit tired but fine, 10.30 i start getting ready to go shopping, get myslef dressed, get ds2 baby bag ready, nappies btls etc, ask ds1 to get dressed, then begin dressing ds2. Ds1 comes in living room and says "Oh right" "what" i reply
cue tantrum..."Itsssssss not fair zach has baseball boots and I don't" (baseball boots are 7 yrs old belonged to my eldest nephew)
"Karl they are not anything special" "But i want some, and you are evil not fair, love zach more than me nanna said so, I want a wii, or ds or gameboy micro, or psp for xmas and you said no, I hate you, i would be better living anywhere than here with you" "You bought zach a baby gym and i only got a garage and cars" (cue me getting slightly miffed)
repeatedly asked him to calm down as dp had not long been asleep after 12 hr shift. he got louder then stomps out the flat, i open door and ask him to come back in.
"No, I want to live somewhere else without you"
I come in and put coat on, zach in pram and walk out to go shopping, ds1 says i need a coat so i tell him to get one, he goes to put his body wamer on thats far too small so i say no he then shouts"i won't wear a coat then and you can't make me"

we go off to shops and he demands i get him sweets, toys, etc i ignored it all the way there and back. Get home I asked him to put hoover away he screams "I hate you I never put it there so why should i do anything you won't buy me what i want for xmas"

I go into kitchen to start dinner he then starts banging in his bedroom, ask him to stop cos dp still sleeping and ds2 sleeping too. cue him shouting he wants to see his father and i wont let him, so i get phone and phone his father who won't answer, I then phone his fathers friend and get ds1 to tell him he wants to see his father can he pass a message on. He then screams at me that its my fault his father doesn't want him as i left him (he was violent to me we split up over 7 yrs ago and ds1 has seen him approx 30 times since)

After another hour of him screaming, crying shouting and walking out, i go to my bedroom and lay on bed with dp who has amazingly slept through it all and i put my arms round him and burst into tears. He wakes up to me crying and asks what is wrong...i try to tell him nothing but he gets out of me how ds1 has behaved. He calls ds1 into our room and asks him what the problem is...he says "zach has baseball boots and a nike tracksuit i dont" (tracksuit is also second hand off friend whose son grew out of it) dp gets up and ds1 runs to his room, dp walks in and takes ds1's nikes and says "well if these aren't good enough you can lose them and i will buy you 2nd hand baseball boots"

He then shuts up and stays in his room until dinner when he tells me he doesn't want any meat (spaghetti bolognaise) so i give him a bowl of spaghetti and he demands meat on it which i give him. he eats his dinner and cos he couldn't disturb zach he did his usual and started whinging he was still hungry after he had eaten until i gave him my dinner!!!! I put him to bed at 5.45 as i didn't think i could keep my hands off him any longer.

sorry if i went on there. xxxxxxxxxxxx

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alicet · 17/11/2007 21:10

inzi understand why you don't want to honey. Maybe try expressing a small amount off to ease the discomfort? Up to you anyway - like you say it will pass soon x

LES - sounds like a fun day you've had! Go pour yourself a BIG glass of wine and chill in front of xfactor results...

TheLadyEvenstar · 17/11/2007 21:10

Inzi,
I could understand if ds1 was a toddler but he is 9 1/2 yrs old!!!!!!!!!!!

All I want to do is sit and drink my wine BUT i saving it until dinner tomorrow lol

TheLadyEvenstar · 17/11/2007 21:12

Alice, I am saving it have dp's sister coming for dinner tomorrow oh and his other son as well what a fcking nightmare he is!!!!!!!!!!! lol

MrsJoJo · 18/11/2007 05:23

Bad morning yesterday - LO screamed and screamed, we think it was gas pains and he calmed down after lying on his side and was OK during the evening, night and been excellent so far today.

Trying to begin expressing but not having much luck. Have an Avent hand pump which I'm finding pretty useless - only managing to express 20ml/1oz in 30 mins and I have LOTS of milk. Seeing if I can hire a pump for a few weeks as they are so expensive in Thailand I'm going to try and make do until we fly home.

DH has been asked to return to UK early - could be good if I'm allowed to go too (I'll only fly if doc agrees because of c-section). If I can't fly then its awful as I'll have to do the 12 hour flight then 2 hour journey from Heathrow by myself. I'm not even supposed to lift LO in his car seat due to c-section & bad back so don't know what I'll do with heavy suitcases, LO and everything...

Adding myself to the rollcall here...

TheLadyEvenstar - 18-09-07 - 5lb 15oz - speedy birth lol - 2nd rugrat - ds1 Karl 9 yrs (still think i must have lost the plot to do it again) bf for first 6 weeks now ff ahhhhh he sleeps even better now lol

FloriaTosca- 26/09/07- Boy - Alexander -7lb 13oz - induced (due to pre-eclampsia)17.5 hr labour, 3rd degree tear. Exclusively breastfed.

ejt1764 - 1/10/07 - girl - Mairwen - 6lb12oz - water vbac - child number 2, also have ds, who's 5 - still exclusively bf, but may introduce formula soon!

alicet - 02/10/2007 - boy - Adam - 7lb14oz - elective c-section following previous emergency section with ds1 - child number 2, have ds1 Sam - was bf for about a month before I caved and hit the bottle (or Adam did...)

J20 - 5/10/07-girl-Shannon-venthouse, episiotomy and forceps-also have dd1 age 7-bf +1/2 bottle(s) a day

Mrs Fish - 5/10/07 - Boy - Benjamin - 8lb 11oz - emergency c-section due to Ben being breech - child No 2, have ds1 Sam. Bf for first 24 hours then switched to ff, best decision I made

Apricott - boy - Huw - 10-10-07 - 8 lbs - 'normal' vb - 2nd degree tear - exclusive breast-feeding - dd is 12 and in love with her little brother.

Greedy - 10/10/07 - girl - Marcy - 8lb 9 1/2oz - also have ds 4 and dd1 nearly 3 - ff i am afraid!

Missbumpy - 13/10/07 - Baby Rosa 7lb 10oz - 1st child, breastfeeding (with difficulty!)

Nellie - 19-10-07 - girl - Madeleine Rose - 6lb 8oz - elective section following previous emergency section with DS who is 2.5yrs. B/feeding.

Stefka - 21/10/07 - boy - Darheh - 7ilb 5oz - currently bf with great difficulty.

Dalrymps - 30/10/07 - boy - Dylan McGregor - 6lb 5oz - natural birth, gas and air, back 2 back, 3rd degree tear - bf with one sore boob!

MrsJoJo - 02/11/07 - boy - Izaak Brendan - 8lb 14oz - emergency c-section due to pre-eclampsia - BF well.

inzidoodle - 03/11/07 - girl - Jane Catherine - 10lb 15oz - emergency c-section - bf 2 weeks gave in to bottle as too anaemic and weak

Muppetgirl - 5/11/07 - boy- Henry - 9lb 15 1/2 ozs - forceps - 3rd degree tear - child number 2 - ds1 Oliver - breast fed with formula feed at 10pm to get me some sleep (I go to bed at 8pm!! and he wakes up at around 2am so I get 6 hrs sleep- wahoooo!!!)

Designerbaby - 10/11/07 - girl - Isabella Grace - 9lbs 8oz - forceps delivery, extended 3rd degree tear and cervical laceration - breasfeeding going OK so far - I think...

Choc Hobnob - 13/11/07 - girl - Rebecca Alice - 6 lb 13oz - emergency c-section - trying to bf but not sure it's going to work!

unicorn · 18/11/2007 09:27

I seem to have vanished from the list.. put self back in...!!

TheLadyEvenstar - 18-09-07 - 5lb 15oz - speedy birth lol - 2nd rugrat - ds1 Karl 9 yrs (still think i must have lost the plot to do it again) bf for first 6 weeks now ff ahhhhh he sleeps even better now lol

FloriaTosca- 26/09/07- Boy - Alexander -7lb 13oz - induced (due to pre-eclampsia)17.5 hr labour, 3rd degree tear. Exclusively breastfed.

ejt1764 - 1/10/07 - girl - Mairwen - 6lb12oz - water vbac - child number 2, also have ds, who's 5 - still exclusively bf, but may introduce formula soon!

alicet - 02/10/2007 - boy - Adam - 7lb14oz - elective c-section following previous emergency section with ds1 - child number 2, have ds1 Sam - was bf for about a month before I caved and hit the bottle (or Adam did...)

J20 - 5/10/07-girl-Shannon-venthouse, episiotomy and forceps-also have dd1 age 7-bf +1/2 bottle(s) a day

Mrs Fish - 5/10/07 - Boy - Benjamin - 8lb 11oz - emergency c-section due to Ben being breech - child No 2, have ds1 Sam. Bf for first 24 hours then switched to ff, best decision I made

Apricott - boy - Huw - 10-10-07 - 8 lbs - 'normal' vb - 2nd degree tear - exclusive breast-feeding - dd is 12 and in love with her little brother.

Greedy - 10/10/07 - girl - Marcy - 8lb 9 1/2oz - also have ds 4 and dd1 nearly 3 - ff i am afraid!

Missbumpy - 13/10/07 - Baby Rosa 7lb 10oz - 1st child, breastfeeding (with difficulty!)

Nellie - 19-10-07 - girl - Madeleine Rose - 6lb 8oz - elective section following previous emergency section with DS who is 2.5yrs. B/feeding.

Stefka - 21/10/07 - boy - Darheh - 7ilb 5oz - currently bf with great difficulty.

unicorn - 22/10/07 - boy - Ronan Thomas - 8lbs 6oz (also have a dd(8) ds(5)) - very quick labour (3hrs)- breastfeeding ok but very hungry babe, so may intro ff sooner...

Dalrymps - 30/10/07 - boy - Dylan McGregor - 6lb 5oz - natural birth, gas and air, back 2 back, 3rd degree tear - bf with one sore boob!

MrsJoJo - 02/11/07 - boy - Izaak Brendan - 8lb 14oz - emergency c-section due to pre-eclampsia - BF well.

inzidoodle - 03/11/07 - girl - Jane Catherine - 10lb 15oz - emergency c-section - bf 2 weeks gave in to bottle as too anaemic and weak

Muppetgirl - 5/11/07 - boy- Henry - 9lb 15 1/2 ozs - forceps - 3rd degree tear - child number 2 - ds1 Oliver - breast fed with formula feed at 10pm to get me some sleep (I go to bed at 8pm!! and he wakes up at around 2am so I get 6 hrs sleep- wahoooo!!!)

Designerbaby - 10/11/07 - girl - Isabella Grace - 9lbs 8oz - forceps delivery, extended 3rd degree tear and cervical laceration - breasfeeding going OK so far - I think...

Choc Hobnob - 13/11/07 - girl - Rebecca Alice - 6 lb 13oz - emergency c-section - trying to bf but not sure it's going to work!

Stefka · 18/11/2007 13:19

Hey all - sounds like everyone is having some kind of stress!

Mine is still the feeding issue. I was going to give up today but I think I will try and stick at it for a bit longer. I am just taking it a day at a time really.

Mrs Jo JO - have you tried hand expressing? It took me a while to get the hang of it but it's not bad if you stick at it. I now have a good electric pump as the hand pump was too slow but my nipples are so sore I can't use it for long. Also nipple shells are great - when I am feeding from one side I collect all the drips from the other. Sometimes there is quite a lot. I am still finding it hard to express a lot though which is annoying as I want to build up a wee collection.

Dareh has been pretty fussy the last couple of days - he often will only settle if I carry him in his sling. He's gone to sleep without it this afternoon though so I can get on with things.

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