TTC First Baby Catch-up With Our Babies Continued!!

[ELW85]

Hi all

As I’m rubbish and keep double posting I thought I’d start a new thread as we’re nearly at 1k.
I don’t have all of the OG’s so apologies for anyone I miss or anyone I miss in general (blaming lack of coffee this morning!!)

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@ELW85 that’s brilliant that he was nice and calm/quiet though! If Conor is awake in the pram, he’s crying. He’s yet to master peaceful awakeness while on the move! I have to take the baby carrier on all my walks! Ahh bless him - must be all the fresh air, at least he’ll hopefully have a good nap now!
I honestly don’t think they can call you unless they’re unwell - I think it’s sort of their job in a way to kind of master the new babies, if that makes sense. If they called mum every time baby wouldn’t settle they’ll never sort it themselves! I could be totally wrong but they’ve said similar to me when I’ve been chatting to them on the phone; that when babies are in their care we’ll only be called if baby has a temp and has to go home. It’s why they do the settling in days to make sure everyone is happy!

@ELW85, oh god I hate it when they don't nap in the car or buggy, feels like a waste 😂 Glad you're feeling better xx

@MrsEG, to be fair, Joe took bottles when he was little, so I'm hoping he remembers what to do!

Oh god... Went to my parents for dad's birthday. Took Joe in to change him because he was doing poo face... Mid change and he just keeps going 🤦‍♀️😯 Then he fire hosed everywhere!! Boys 🤯 I think dh is still processing, it was his first 'aaaagh it's still coming' nappy change! I'm an old hand though 😂

Morning

Send help. Another night of waking after 3 hours then 2 hour segments. I’ve been working really hard on breaking this feed to sleep habit but honestly he was screaming last night and wouldn’t get back down without it.
I feel like I’ve failed and we’re never going to get out of this regression or association!!

I’m attempting another walk today. I hope everyone else has had a better night!

@Fivebyfive2 - I only had my first experience of the poo continuing the other day 😂
Did your dad have a good time?

@MrsEG - ah I didn’t realise that Conor still hadn’t settled in the pram!
It’s good to hear that about the nursery. I keep being told they’re awesome at naps, but I’m really nervous I guess!

@ELW85 I know it’s of little use when you’re in the thick of it (my god do I remember that sleep regression) - it really is only temporary, like any phase, regression, leap - it’s just baby learning a new skill and they have a little wobbler. It will pass! Sleep deprivation is so hard and so just do what you have to do! I was rocking Conor pretty much to sleep through it, and constantly giving Ruairí a dummy all night. Neither of them need those things now they’re through it. Just do whatever you need to! How are you feeling today? Are you able to get any naps in- is DH around at all? I got to a point I went to bed as soon as they were down - I knew I only had a few hours before one was up so I got ahead of myself with a bit of extra sleep!!
Yeah Conor is still a pram hater, I’m starting to wonder if he always will! He makes progress but it’s at a snails pace. I’ve discovered if I want a painless walk I have to go out over their lunch nap time as that’s when he’s likely to sleep most, and I can usually get a good 1.5 hour walk done then. But I can’t stop the pram at all or he cries. He sometimes will settle back down when I get moving again but it takes ages. Luckily I’ve learnt to not let it upset me anymore - I tell myself he’s just telling me he’s either still tired (go back to sleep then!) or wants to get out - in which case, he’ll live until we get home. It’s weird having twins how hardened you get to crying!! I think because with two it’s such a regular occurrence as you can only properly tend to one at once, you just start to let it wash over you! One of my mums friends once told me that you should never leave a baby cry as they feel abandoned; I said nothing but just thought to myself ‘well if that’s true then all twins must really hate their parents!’ For the first 4 months especially I always had to leave one cry!! While the other was being fed, changed, bathed. And so far, I’m pretty sure they like me haha!

@Fivebyfive2 I LOLd at the poo story!! We’ve had a few of those ourselves haha, it’s like a soft serve machine that just keeps going haha! Poor DH, I can imagine his face! How did Joe get on last night, any better?

@ELW85 think we're in 4 month sleep regression too. It's so random. There was a night last week where she was up every 45 mins overnight 🤯. But she managed a 7 hour stretch on Sunday night (second time ever) I though whoop, it's over... nope back to 2 hourly wakings the last too nights 😴😴😴. Send help 😂😂

@MrsEG - thank you so much! I needed to hear that. You can tell it’s developmental; Finn is so much more talkative at the moment and just noticing everything around him. Makes it hard to feed him!
I’m trying to still just shush pat him to sleep and put him down awake etc so he doesn’t freak out or think he needs food but it’s definitely what he reverts to.
I’m in two minds with trying to keep going in breaking the association or just survive and feed him til it’s over. Lazy I know!
DH is at work but I’m going to brave another walk. I don’t feel as bad as I did.
Your boys love you and always look so happy! Babies definitely don’t feel abandoned, you always respond; sometimes it just can’t be immediately!
In my head it’s like an 80/20 thing. I’m there 24/7 and respond immediately the vast majority of the time and never willingly let him cry so that’s all I can do really!

@LikeTheFruit - nooooo! It’s horrendous isn’t it?! I keep thinking “how will this pass if I don’t sleep train” but I still don’t feel fully confident!
How are you coping?

@ELW85 It lasted about 3 weeks for us in the end, and one night it just stopped as quickly as it had started. And like you say, was absolutely developmental as since then they’re both rolling over, Conor much more! And have become very ‘grabby’ (my hair is really taking the brunt of that!) It’s like they went in to a wee coccoon and came out as little rolling butterflies haha. Handle it as best you can; I just did what I needed to to make them sleep! But trust, it will pass. enjoy the walk - it makes the world of difference to get outside and get some fresh air! I also completely agree - it’s not like I’m just leaving them to scream because I can’t be bothered haha, I just get to them when I can!! Some friends in our NCT group have said their babies are now crying a lot less and making other noises for attention; they’re about 6 months, so I’m hoping the boys will start doing that in a months time. We’re still very much in the ‘crying is literally my only form of communication’ phase!!

@LikeTheFruit Every 45 mins, oh my goodness!! I really hope it passes quickly for you too!

@MrsEG, I was thinking it's like those playdoh machines we had as kids 😂 He was up every 2.5 hours but only really short wakes so not too bad. I've decided that's easier than when he does say 4/5 hours but is then wanting to party for 2 hours in the middle of the night!

@ELW85 I'm just putting my trust in the facts it's a phase. I know she can sleep longer stretches so I'm sure (🤞🤞) she will again. DH took her for a bit this morning so I could get another hour's sleep.
I'm just surviving 😂😂. I've decided not to sleep train and just go with the flow. Not planning on getting dressed today 😂.
I've worked night shifts for the past 9 years, often with on call rooms for breaks so am used to fairly broken sleep which I think helps

@Fivebyfive2 Playdoh machine is absolutely right haha!! It just keeps coming!! I had to bin a changing mat once because of it; there was a tiny crack in it and I just couldn’t get the poop out 🙈 Oh that’s good he’s settling down quicker!! Must make the world of difference! Those middle of then night parties are no fun for anyone haha!

Omg guys... This is Not A Drill. .. Mil is currently viewing a house which is literally around the corner from us 😯🤯 Nooooo!!!!

@MrsEG - I think it’s so hard when you’re in it to think it’s not going to last forever. I’m really hoping it passes quickly though. Like by tonight 😂
Finn is talking loads more but crying is definitely his main form of communication still, haha!
Just back from the walk and really don’t get why Finn won’t sleep in a pram. He went to sleep in the car though almost instantly which is good as I’m trying to get him to realise he doesn’t need me or food for sleep!!

@LikeTheFruit - it’s awful isn’t it? I’m putting all of my faith in it being a phase but google is giving me mixed messages so I’m terrified!!

@Fivebyfive2 - Nooooo! WHY??!!! You’d never do that uninvited or at least without a polite conversation first?!

@ELW85, I know right! She really liked it apparently. I'm hoping as it's top end of the budget and she is viewing a cou more places this week that it won't happen, but I think I need to brace myself 😬 I'm sure Finn will come through the other end soon, try not to worry! Xx

@LikeTheFruit, I'm similar to you in that we haven't sleep trained (not yet anyway!) so just going with the flow.

@MrsEG, just read back about your nct friend and the no cry comment... I bet the baby cries sometimes, unless she takes her to the loo etc with her?! It is funny when dh is home, he'll say 'Joe is crying!' and go charging in all white horse or whatever when I'm in the loo or something and I'm like 'husband, wtf do you think happens when you're at work?!' 😂

Well! We tried a very lumpy carrot mash today and it went down very well! He's also getting into having water with his food, properly reaching for the bottle in between spoonfuls. I still think it is so funny how determined he is to feed himself 🙂

@Fivebyfive2 - what does DH think about the potential house purchase?
Mine is similar regards crying! When he’s at home, if he’s holding Finn and I’m getting ready, if Finn so much as frowns he shouts something like “oh Christ, he’s kicking right off!” Absolutely terrified of him, and I’m like “mate, that’s him chilled!” 😂

@Fivebyfive2 that’s my worst nightmare haha, luckily mine live in another country!
Oh she definitely still cries, just a hell of a lot less; she’s communicating in a lot of different ways now too rather than to scream at everything. The boys aren’t quite there yet haha but they do love a wee squeal and a chat on the playmat together! Ruairí was stroking Conors head today!
Sounds like Joe is doing brilliantly with his food!

@ELW85 Babies are a pain aren’t they - the pram was my failsafe in those very early weeks until one day Conor was like, nope, don’t like it haha. The boys don’t sleep in the baby carrier - literally everyone would tell me to pop them in for naps and they stay wide awake and just wanna look around at everything 🙈

So I feel like magically today the boys have really started to notice and interact with each other - my wee heart can’t take it. They’ve often had a good stare and smile at each other but they’re reaching out to be able to touch each other on the playmat. It is the cutest darn thing! Here’s a wee pic of them finding me absolutely hilarious

@MrsEG - I can’t take how gorgeous they are! I bet it’s just breathtaking to see them interact 💙
I love how talkative Finn has gotten; when he’s upset he tries to use ‘words’ I just wish I knew what he was saying!!

Helloooo, how was everyone's night?!

Joe did 8 till 2.30! He half woke about 12.30 but was settled again in under 10 mins so I'm not counting it as a full wake up. He then went back down at 3, but was wide a wake cooing at 5. Ah well, he's already had a little nap, so not too bad. We're off to the zoo this afternoon 🙂

Here he is being a cowboy and enjoying his jumperoo!

Morning!

@fivebyfive2 - oh my god, how adorable is he?! I’m jealous of your zoo trip! Our closest is Edinburgh but I haven’t been since I was a kid. Even when I lived there, I didn’t bother. Weird!
Finn had a much better night; 8.40-2.30 (again, had a brief wake up at 1am but was straight back out with a shush and hand on chest) and then down again until 6.30. I needed to settle him quite a bit at 5am but compared to the night before it was bliss.
I’m now scared that it wasn’t a regression and the worst is yet to come, or maybe that’s him done?!
Wishful thinking!!

My friend from netball has adopted me in her antenatal WhatsApp group which is nice. They’re all around the 9 month mark so it’s lovely to see the future, haha!
Phoebe (my friend’s little girl) was climbing all over her the other day and cruising on her legs holding the pram. Too cute!

@ELW85, glad you had a good night! We're off to Twycross, it's not far from us. He'll probably cry the whole time knowing my luck!

Morning ladies :)

@ELW85 it is just magic watching them together - less so when one kicks the other in the face and makes him cry haha (have already dealt with this this morning!) but to watch them slowly figure out that the other one is there is just amazing!
Ah that’s fab!! We have a very active WhatsApp group with our NCT mums, I got so lucky with my group all 8 of us still chat and meet up etc. It’s so, so handy to have a group to ask all the questions to! EVERY MORNING starts with ‘So how did everyone sleep?’ Haha!

@Fivebyfive2 Ah he is so cute!! I actually have a Woody and Buzz sleepsuit set for the boys, gonna try them in them this weekend! Have a great time at the zoo! Our local zoo is Chester but I’m still a bit nervous to go with two 5 month olds - you’ll have to let me know how you get on!

@ELW85 @LikeTheFruit the sleep regression will end eventually! It felt like it lasted forever here but now it's just a distant memory and Dex sleeps really well. @ELW85 hopefully it's over for you already!

@MrsEG that's adorable that the boys are starting to notice each other, must be lovely to see their relationship develop

@Fivebyfive2 ahh he's so cute! Hope you have fun at the zoo. We went last week, Dex only really noticed the animals that were moving around a lot but he was fascinated by those, particularly the meerkats and the penguins.

Hey ladies, sorry I went awol again! Teeth are a bloody nightmare... 🤦‍♀️ it's been a brutal few days!! However, he's now got the entire top of his tooth on show which is great 😊 I'll try and do better at keeping up!

Afternoon all

Had a lovely beach walk with my netball friend and Finn had his first ever pram nap! Must have been the sound of the waves.
Some dog came running up and jumped up at the pram barking and waking him up (you don’t wanna know what I called it under my breath!) so he was an overtired mess when I tried to get him to nap at home. Great.

@MrsEG - it’s great that you gave that group! I feel like a total imposter but they’re all lovely. It’s interesting because it makes you gain some perspective; what I worry about isn’t a second thought to some of them! And yes, that group’s chat is sleep centric too!
Which one is the karate master of the boys? 😂

@stormtrooperjulian - I’m now thinking it wasn’t the regression or last night he just settled himself better. I guess time will tell! Just hopefully not tonight as I’ve barely eaten today and I think I have PMS!

@MrsR16 - don’t worry!! It’s all about survival at this stage; just catch up if and when!

Update: NOT out of the regression. Send help!! 😂