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April 2007 - weight loss and hair loss

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StealthPolarBear · 24/09/2007 10:47

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nappynuttynormabutty · 24/09/2007 15:55

Right, will try to remember what I can and apologise in advance for anything I've forgot.

SBS - glad to hear your dad is doing ok.

Pesha - sorry I've already signed up for the yougov surveys so can't use your link. I also do them for Pinecone Research if anyone's interested (can be paid by Luncheon vouchers or paypal for them).

Elkie - sorry you & dp are arguing, there's some of that going on here too. I think it's just at that stage where it's really difficult to get everything done and everyone's feeling stressed.

Pinions - @ 5 stone!!!

Oooggs - I sometimes think if you've had v little sleep for a while that having one good night makes you even more tired cos you're body seems to remember it needed more sleep (does that make sense???? ). Hope you're ok.

Ellie - how did the date go?????

Well my weekend was ok . MIL was her usual pita . It started badly on Friday night when she asked about nappies...when I said I was considering being a nappy adviser she turned to Erin and said "Oh that's not very nice. You don't want mummy to do that do you? Tell mummy not to do it, you wouldn't like it.". On Sat dh & I took Erin into London and went round the shops which was pretty good. Met up with dh's best friend on Sunday (went to church with him - it was a bit scary tho...a bit erm...modern(?) for my liking!!!). Went out for lunch. Then went round to BIL's house to see the new baby. Was very to feel how light she was, even tho Erin was slightly lighter than that when she was born...was amazed at how quickly we've forgotten. Then MIL said we had to visit dh's aunt. Erin was going to be due food tho and dh said "it'll be ok if she misses this feed won't it" so I said "we'll go back and get food" (was that dh thinks it would be ok) so MIL pipes up "well if you go back to get food don't give her any til you get to aunt's house or it'll be late when you get there" ...so I told dh to f off once we were in the car...and told him exactly what I thought of him...so we fed Erin at ILs house before going round to aunt's. Then at aunt's it was eventually time for a bottle...MIL kept going on and on saying "I don't think she wants anymore Alan, she's had enough"...so dh told her "You know what mum, sometimes you have to be patient". Anyway they were a pita, which was also distracting Erin from her bottle so we headed back to ILs. Erin then wouldn't sleep cos she was hungry and we had to make another bottle. Oh and MIL complained that we were overloading her washer...when we'd only put 5 nappies in...(tho we did put more in once she'd buggered off out the way ).

sleepbabysleep · 24/09/2007 16:42

Oh norma your PILs are totally insufferable! You deserve a medal for having to put up with them!

Pinions - 5 stone??!! What a girl! Very impressive

Am I the only person that still isn´t introducing solids? Am all worried now.. really wanted to wait til 6 months but starting to feel the pressure from family and friends which kind of annoys me as the guidelines are now 6 months (obviously if you want to do it before that´s fine but surely if you want to wait, and it´s matching the guidelines, you shouldn´t get hassled??!) I mean it´s not like I´m trying to starve my baby FGS. Am quite keen on BLW but can anyone tell me why I shouldn´t be scared he´ll choke?? I gather from blw threads that it´s silly to be worried about that but I´m not sure why..

No routine in place here but I do keep threatening N with Gina Ford-ing him I think he already knows he has a soft mummy though.. tbh I just put him down when he´s looking sleepy, he has 2-3 naps a day, always an hour in the morning about an hour after getting up and then one about 1ish and another about 5ish and then bed at 8-9ish. I can see that you would need more structure when you have more than 1 to run around after though.

Nights are still a bugger with waking about every 2-3 hours. Not always for food, he still gets stuck on his back or with his arm through the cot bars and then needs comforting back to sleep . It´s really hard, today I´ve felt quite down with lack of sleep. I´ve told dh he needs to sleep in the spare room because he doesn´t help through the night anyway and he might aswell sleep so he can get up in the morning, take N and give me a couple more hours´ sleep (though really it would be more like 30mins..). He is feeding about twice a night though which I guess is why everyone keeps suggesting food - I´m just not sure it´s the solution.. oh the angst..

btw - I miss you lot!

StealthPolarBear · 24/09/2007 17:04

sbs me too waiting until 6 months hopefully
also going to try blw, talking to MIL, and telling her that his 1st meal will be carrot:
"Mashed"
"No, we're giving him finger food so it'll just be lightly steamed"
"Then do you mash it?"

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geordiemacminx · 24/09/2007 17:11

we are planning on BLW once C is a bit older, but for the moment he is on baby rice and pureed stuff. I made him butternut squash, carrot and potato yesterday as his first proper meal-he absolutely loved it [proud mummy emoticon]

Peshasofeight · 24/09/2007 17:37

We're waiting too. I read a thread the other day that was saying you should be worried about choking so that you are aware of it iyswim.

Wiki says

"Baby-led weaning places the emphasis on exploring taste, texture, colour and smell as the baby sets their own pace for the meal, choosing which foods to concentrate on. Instead of the traditional method of spooning puréed food into the baby's mouth, the baby is presented with a plate of varied finger food from which she may choose.

Contrary to popular belief there is no research supporting the introduction of solids by purees and in fact babies can become very confused when stage 2 foods are introduced (with lumps) unsure whether to swallow or chew.

According to one theory, the baby will choose foods with the nutrients she might be slightly lacking, guided by taste. The baby learns most effectively by watching and imitating others, and allowing her to eat the same food at the same time as the rest of the family contributes to a positive weaning experience. At six months babies learn to chew and grasp and this is therefore the ideal time to begin introducing finger food."

"It is very important that baby-led weaning is not started before the child shows developmental signs indicating that she is ready to cope with solid foods. The baby should be able to sit well supported, be eager to participate in mealtime and maybe even trying to grab food and put it in her mouth. The child should show signs of developing a pincer grasp, as well as an ability and willingness to chew. The tongue thrust reflex protects a baby too young from consuming food. This is why often when purees are introduced, parents can be seen catching liquid forced back out before trying to re-introduce it."

"Babies weaned using the baby-led method are actually less likely to choke on their food, as they are not capable of moving food from the front of the mouth to the back until they have learnt to chew. In turn, they do not learn to chew until they have learnt to grasp objects and place them in their mouth. Therefore the baby's general development keeps pace with her ability to manage food.

If a child gets a piece of food too far back in their mouth, they will often promptly clear it themselves by gagging or coughing the piece out. According to Gill Rapley this seems to be fairly common and not dangerous - it's simply nature's way of preventing any risk of choking.

Food should not be placed in the baby's mouth for her. If the baby is unable to pick up and grasp the food, she will also be unable to cope with chewing and swallowing it. It is also very important that the baby is sitting up straight and well supported during mealtimes and never left unattended while self-feeding."

With my older dc I weaned them at 4 months on purees (had never heard of BLW) and they were both having finger foods by 6 months anyway. Nathan used to gag alot but quite easily brought it back up again himself, chewed it some more and then swallowed it again!!

Peshasofeight · 24/09/2007 17:40

Sorry got abit carried away with my copying and pasting there I think!

Can you tell I'm excited about it?

BLW I mean not copying and pasting

Pinions · 24/09/2007 18:57

Hi all. Cor once you take a bite of the forbidden fruit.

Yes....just to re-iterate think wo asked thats five stone since the baby was born, approx a stone per month. But it was there to come off iyswim. And before and after photos. Have a horrendous one of me in the hospital, and tbh do not feel all that "hot" now either but when I am down to Kate Moss status I may share pics .(Frantically runs around looking for a pic of me when I was 16).

For anyone who is remotely interested I put it down to a combination of breastfeeding/running/swimming/drinking loads and loads of water and making sure of stacking up on either salad or veg as your main evening meal. Ryveta are a good snack. (Yawn yawn starting to bore myself now).

Haven't been able to read the whole thread (so whats new) but am interested in seeing peoples new routines.

I have just bought the unmentionable GF book, and have also kind of tailored it. She comes across as a bit of a nutcase imo. We have copied for the most part but starting with a small sleep at approx 9.30 then T is definitely ready for the longer sleep by around 11 ish and then he will sleep solidly for 2-3 hours.

Have decided that a routine has got to be the way forward.

On a completley irrelevant note we have just been informed that my useless (half) brother after having "studied" for 4 years doing an archealogy degree and "working" for two years since now wants to go back and train to be a doctor instead!? wtf. So my poor dad has another 8 years to shell out for. Very . Doesn't really describe how I'm feeling but they both work so hard for him when I know he will probably end up tossing that off too.

Loads of yumdifferous recipes to add girls, watch this space, or even watch the space of the recipies thread.

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PillockOfTheCommunity · 24/09/2007 19:04

you are weak my girl, weak

Pinions · 24/09/2007 19:05

You don't need to remind me.

PillockOfTheCommunity · 24/09/2007 19:07

but I love you anyway, and very pleased to have you back MWAH (((((((((hugs))))))))))

Pinions · 24/09/2007 19:11

Double MWAH right back atcha.

And hugs?!?

PillockOfTheCommunity · 24/09/2007 19:31

ok, manly pat on the back to welcome you

Sexonlegs · 24/09/2007 19:32

Hi loves

Nutty, sorry you weekend wasn't all that fab. I hate it when dh sways towards the requests of his mum iyswim and thinks everything else can go on the back burner.

Pinions, once again, amazing stuff re the weight loss. Fantastic.

Hi Pillock!!!

GF is working well for us I have to say, although K doesn't have such long naps in the day as GF's babes. She only has 45 mins tops and then wakes up. We do get 12 hours tho at night.

I think some of her views etc are very good and logical, but I know many people get tied in knots about following them to the letter.

My cousin and I were having a laugh about doing a Contended Mother Book which went along the lines of:

10.00 Wake up

10.15 Enjoy a coffee and pain au chocolat

11.00 Take a leisurely bath and get dressed

12.30 Out for lunch

2.30 Manicure, pedicure and massage

4.30 Light shopping at Harrods

6.30 Champagne

7.00 Dinner

8.30 Theatre

Sound good??

nappynuttynormabutty · 24/09/2007 19:33

Hello Pinions

Ellie - have you tried to speak to me on msn...cos it's gone really wierd on me . I said something to you, then another window popped up claiming to be Heather but with your email address attached to the name iyswim...I don't know what's going on with it!!!!

nappynuttynormabutty · 24/09/2007 19:34

Hi SOL - sorry x-posted there!!!

StealthPolarBear · 24/09/2007 19:39

hello everyone

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mmk · 24/09/2007 19:47

sol, pmsl at your mummy routine. I'm going to chuck out GF and show DD your routine. Well, its worth a try.

Glad some of you are having sucess with GF. It doesn't happen straight away, but when it does, you may come to love it. There is good advice for sleep etc too, which proves invaluble later on. Ds pops off to bed at 7.30 every night, and just falls straight to sleep, because that is all he knows. Apart from the fact that he makes Stalin look like a pussy, it is all fine!

If you try to follow GF to the letter, you will just get stressed, obsessed and disheartened. We vary it each day to suit outselves, and at the weekend, it invariably goes to pot! After all, you need a life as well.

sleepbabysleep · 24/09/2007 19:56

That´s fab Pesha, thanks for sharing Really looking forward to it too..

GMM - and so you should be proud, I wouldn´t know what to do with a butternut squash if you paid me

SPB - lol - that´s exactly the kind of conversation I can imagine with my Family in law.. I think on the whole it´s going to be easier to avoid discussing it.

Off to make salad for dinner [bored emoticon] .. nothing else in the house and now dh is down because I´ve made him sit down and look at the financial projection for the next 6 months which isn´t a happy sight. But needs must, it kind of winds me up that he gets mopey about it. I just don´t see the point, it is what it is and we´re lucky it isn´t actually THAT bad given that we will both be working part time, I mean, what does he expect?? I just said to him, "but if we could both work part time and be well off, you wouldn´t NEED to go back to school!!"

PillockOfTheCommunity · 24/09/2007 19:58

noooooooooooooo
I loathe it
unless you're following it to the letter it's not actually GF, it's just common sense. Joe will have daytime sleeps, has feeds at same time each day, sleeps all night etc and we have done it ourselves, or rather, HE has found the routine himself.

bumble75 · 24/09/2007 20:44

Evening Ladies,

Back online after a few days away in Inverness. It was really nice to go away. Was quite bizarre, none of us slept well for the 2 nights we were there (choked with colds) but have all come back in better moods...

No real routine here either - L could wake at 4 or 5 for a feed and go back to sleep or not or sleep through till 7. Sometimes naps really easily during the day, other times it takes a walk in the pram. I did find that recently darkening the room did help. Normally bath just before 6:30pm and bed by 7pm. No solids yet, although she has started to be fascinated by watching us eat. Feeds when she wants to but generally every three hours or so. SOL - I like the sound of your Contented Mummy routine!

I can't remember anything else I was going to say (I really need to make notes!) but am thinking of everyone and hoping that everyone who needs a break (all of us no doubt!) gets some 'me' time soon - lord knows we all deserve it!

x

Sexonlegs · 24/09/2007 20:47

South East Mummies - what is happening?? IDOC set up a new thread about a meet up. Come on, you know you want to!

PillockOfTheCommunity · 24/09/2007 21:24

they're talking about Narcolepsy on Doc Martin

CaptainDippy · 24/09/2007 21:24

She's back!!!!!

So where's the thread IDOC set up for SE Meet-Up!!?

How is everyone??

geordiemacminx · 24/09/2007 21:28

SBS I hadnt had butternut squash until a few weeks ago, a friend cooked it, scooped out the inside mixed it with fresh mint and feta cheese popped it back in and then ovened it for a while - it was lovely. For C I just peeled it, steamed it with some carrots, added a couple of chunks of cooked potato and blended it. It was just so nice for him to eat something I had made IYKWIM?

Ellie we watching Doc Martin too. Loved the webcam of Joe btw.

CaptainDippy · 24/09/2007 21:28

Thanks for the tip about Mystery Shopping with GrassRoots, Luce - have applied!