May 2017 #17 the fun continues

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Hope everyone will continue to chat about their beautiful May 2017 babies!

@PeachIcedT who have you booked with? Part of the reason we decided to bite the bullet is because none of the terms start until September and they're all weekdays and Rob wants to be able to go too

Tea hallelujah for you finding mumsnet and sharing your experiences with us first timers 😁

@RasperryInAMelon it's with Tiny Fins. It doesn't start until beginning of September but I also wanted one that is on Saturdays as I'm just not confident to take her on my own yet. It was only about £15 more expensive than the weekday option too. Another factor is it's really nearby so reduces the overall time we are out for.

Wrote a proper catch up last night then lost it all

acorn can you call health visiting team or attend bf clinic at a children's centre? Mine was noticed before leaving hospital.

rise well done for not shaking DH!! I'm glad the talk helped.

We had a crappy eve last night arguing. I was just tired, overwhelmed and felt a bit lonely. DH tired and overwhelmed and stressed with trying to juggle work and family life then to top it off the bloody boiler broke and pissed out water everywhere!! Stopped us bickering though

savage my first was like that too. Only ever woke for food. She did take a dummy but I never needed it at night. Hoping baby bees will be the same. I just feed her back to sleep currently, never occurred to me that it might not be hunger waking her!

I paid an huge amount to take dd1 swimming at this age with Swimming Nature. The instructor used to play guitar in the middle of the pool! She liked it, but I didn't think it was worth the money. It was nice to meet another lot of new parents though.

You found a house then raspberry? Congratulations!

Sorry to hear that badger. Tiredness always makes us bicker too. Hope the boiler can be sorted quickly.

Had such a nightmare yesterday. Got everyone up and ready for our train trip north, and we were on the bus with all our luggage and baby in the sling and dd1 throws up everywhere and falls asleep. So

Oops, posted too soon. Anyway decided she wasn't well enough to go so spent all of yesterday with her fitfully sleeping on the sofa and watching cbeebies. She is a bit better today so have made it on the train and I'm currently feeding the baby while she sleeps on my lap. I've told DH we are never doing this trip again.

@Acorncat I asked the HV for tongue tie referral, although they just referred me to the clinic where the dr was ready to cut it and looked in his mouth and said he doesn't have tongue tie! No one has actuality examined his latch since the hospital.

Went to HV clinic on Tuesday before our immunisations and she wants us to give more formula as baby's weight gain is very slow and he has dropped another percentile, so is nearly off the chart. My DH just turned to her and said 'if he isn't losing weight than what is the problem!'
He is producing lots of nappies and is happy inbetween feeds so I am content to only just give the one formula feed at night as I have been doing.

I have found changing position seems to have improved his fussyness on the breast, or maybe he was just going through a leap.

@Acorncat the tongue tie was spotted by bf consultant during one of the bf drop in sessions in the children centre.

Acorn - I'm thinking the same thing... DS hardly ever latches properly, he's always dropping the boob and milk goes everywhere... nothing like my first!
They checked him over in hospital, but I wasn't having any problems then and they said he was fine... I've got a local BF group I keep missing that is apparently attended by HV's so I must make the effort to try there.

@Acorncat the children's centres near me all have breastfeeding support people on site, might be worth checking there? Our was picked up by a lactation consultant but it was a free drop in centre.

Thanks, I'll take her to the health visitor clinic to get weighed next week and ask there, these sorts of places sounds just like what I need

We looked at swimming lessons, they're all extortionate for this age 😕 (and it looks like I'd have to take a 45 minute drive each way) the council ones don't recommend they start til they're 6 months old and then they're on a weekday which is helpful when I go back to work and you have to commit to the 10 weeks ... so we're not signing up for them either. Going to try the tag team approach and go at the weekend with DH 😊 Then I think I'll sign up to some baby sensory classes which are significantly cheaper than the swimming!!

Don't think baby Rise has ever been checked for a tongue tie but we haven't had any latching problems either so I guess she's ok 🤔

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A consultant paediatrician I saw said tongue tie does not exist. He seemed to think getting them snipped was unnecessary. There has apparently been a scary increase in the number of babies undergoing the procedure (some repeatedly) and he suggested it was an attempt by midwives/ lactation consultants to give a solution to an issue that just needs time / correct positioning. At the time (5 days old) baby rocky was not feeding properly and nothing seemed to be helping so I was disappointed in a way not to have a solution. We were put onto a feeding program of expressed feeds in addition to every attempted breast feed and eventually (after a couple of weeks) it just clicked. I was told by a midwife a couple of days after being discharged that baby rocky looked to have a posterior tongue tie (I don't know wtf that even is - surely tongues are supposed to be attached somewhere?!) anyway, we ignored her advice to get it snipped. I'm in no way suggesting that the paediatrician was right and tongue tie is not a thing, I'm just intrigued I guess that medical professionals do not necessarily agree on this. The midwife seemed to think the consultant might change his view on tongue tie if it were his nipples being ripped to shreds . Anyone heard similar from medical professionals (not midwives)?

That's interesting @Rockyroad17. My sister (now 26) is tongue tied - you can see that she can't stick her tongue out at all. Mum told me this week that at one point the midwife wanted her to start supplementing with formula as my sister wasn't gaining enough weight but mum resisted and her feeding improved.

On the other hand the advice was apparently to only offer each breast for 10 minutes. And water, squash etc was added quite early on.

@Rockyroad17 there was recent research to show that snipping tongue ties didn't lead to mothers breastfeeding longer. The feeding that they did was reported to be more comfortable though. It is one of those things that has become a lot more common in recent years so perhaps it's not surprising for there to be clinicians questioning this trend.

@dreamofhungarianlanterns 😂😂 point taken. 😉

Thought I'd share this opening line from a bounty email... it made me laugh at least!!

"You've probably settled into a routine with your little one now that they're 12 weeks old."

I can't tell what she's going to do from one day to the next... yesterday she slept all morning.... today she wouldn't sleep 'til the afternoon. 🤔😣😁

@mrsjw yeh now I think about it I'm not sure he was denying tongue tie was a thing...maybe just suggesting cutting the tongue wasn't appropriate. I was in those hazy newborn days! @tea it seems odd that making it more comfortable doesn't impact on length of time people breastfeed. I found it literally toe curlingly painful...and then one day it was fine. Very odd - not sure if maybe my nipples just lost all sensation! Hahaha.

@MrsJW15 totally off the subject of tongue ties but when my brother (now 31) was born and he wanted fed every 2 hours my mum was told to top up with formula because she wasn't producing enough milk 🤔 how times change!!

I read a similar thing about lip ties, it was really interesting and made sense, but totally at odds to what I'd read from other sources (which is that they affect speech and cause tooth decay and should be snipped). This would all be much easier if the experts could agree

Funnily enough I was talking about TT with my friends as all our babies seem to have it! One of them sent this article which is interesting...https://fauquierent.blogspot.co.uk/2016/11/is-tongue-tie-becoming-more-common.html?m=1

I'm 39 and have a TT that wasn't snipped. I can't poke my tongue out but as MIL so kindly pointed out it hasn't slowed me down eating or talking

Thanks esme, yeah I hate the tired bickering that seems to come with the territory Luckily most of the time we're fine and it did air some grievances.
How did rest of journey go? Is your little girl feeling better now?

rise you made me giggle with that email opener.
My friends baby wss born last week and she was saying how they've found a routine. It seems to centre around baby sleeping then being woken up to feed etc. They sleep when baby sleeps. None of us want to break the news that that newborn sleepiness thing doesn't seem to last Anyway, it may totally work for her and if it does she can get her baby to tell baby Badger all about it!!

Interesting article (in addition to the fact it's in cartoon form so I can cope with it right now)

www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/26/gender-wars-household-chores-comic

@Badgerbird I remember that first week, lots of sleeping!! 😉

I had a lip tie as a baby I'm not sure if it would have affected breastfeeding as I was formula fed the lip tie was removed when I had Orthodontics in my late teens.

I seem to recall there is a link between tongue tie and folic acid supplementation?

But yes whether or not a tie being snipped will improve breastfeeding I am not sure. Luckily I have had no issues feeding my two.

My DS had a lip tie but it split a few weeks ago when he fell. Apparently 90% of those with lip ties also have posterior tongue ties. He's got quite a big gap between his teeth due to it but the dentist said that's good since as there'll be plenty of room for his big teeth.

badger interesting article, it makes it sense if it's genetic.

I like that cartoon rise, too bloody true sometimes