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lucy5 · 23/01/2007 21:41

I can't access the thread with my rubbish Spanish internet connection. Could someone start a new thread and link it on the old one too. Thankyou. Hope alls well!

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jabberwocky · 28/01/2007 11:17

Don't give up on yourself! Expressing can be really tricky. IME a double electric is the thing to do. I could never get anything with a hand pump.

I use an Ameda Purely Yours, btw.

Gloria42 · 28/01/2007 11:28

one of my friends is lending me an electric, maybe I just have to wait (and put up with the sore nipples) until then. Been looking at various sites with advice on positioning etc, and think I have some issues to resolve there which might make things better.

Thanks for listening!

jabberwocky · 28/01/2007 11:31

It takes a while sometimes. Ds2 wouldn't take one side well at all at first. 9 weeks down the road we are doing pretty well, but even now I still have to coax him into it on that side. It's hard work, that's for sure. I wish I had had MN with ds1. He got nipple confusion early on and I just didn't know what to do. Having support on here has made a big difference with ds2.

Gloria42 · 28/01/2007 11:41

TBH taking the time out to write the post has helped almost as much as your advice and support!
It's easy to let things get on top of you, all while trying to look like Supermum to the rest of the world. Nobody wants to look like a failure...

margo1974 · 28/01/2007 11:57

Gloria,

you're not useless. my friends avent one was faulty and didn't create the vaccuum (sp?). she tried mine and that worked so took hers back and exchanged for a new one.

satinshoes · 28/01/2007 11:59

gloria - i had an avent pump last time and tbh never bothered again after the first go as it seemed like too much effort. you're doing well, dont beat yourself up.

magnolia1 · 28/01/2007 12:12

Gloria, I have quite a bit of milk but only manage 50-60mls each side most of the time and 100mls if 1st thing in the morning. You are doing great!! Also try expressing in the bath.
Do you have a breastfeeding clinic near you. We have one attached to our H.V and Gp surgery and I found the bf counseller a god send. She picked up on a tongue tie, extra fast let down, slight change of positioning was all it took to help with the fast flow and tongue tie was snipped. I found Kamillosan much better than lanisoh for me and lots of walking around with your boobs out for fresh air helps with the sore nips.

Ben is being a pain in the night as usual Only sleeps on my chest and I have spent the last 3 nights on the sofa with him as his cold makes him snort so much it keeps dh awake and I need him to be there for he other 4 kids so he needs his sleep.
He keeps wanting to give a bottle of expressed in the night to help me but I don't want to affect my supply.
But have been practising with bottles over he past week (just an ounce each time) to get him used to it for when dh or my mum has him if I am at work or want to go out.
The Avent have worked best so far

Still have a virus on the computer so If I dissapear for a few days hats why.

magnolia1 · 28/01/2007 12:13

And the bloody t's are not working very well on this silly keyboard!!!!

Gloria42 · 28/01/2007 13:06

Thanks everyone, I'll try not to give up! DP officially as stressed out as me. He called his sister to come over and calm us down. she arrived with flowers and cake and let us both cry on her shoulder for a while. Had shower and feel more human.

Magnolia, like the idea of fresh air for nips, feel like have had nursing bra on constantly for years. Must remember to shut curtains tho!

Charlie is, of course, oblivious to the whole thing. We tried him on some Infacol last night and he has now slept for 3 x 4 hour chunks with 1/2 hour feeds in between. Am almost looking forward to him waking up so I can try out the new positioning theory!

Indith · 28/01/2007 13:40

gloria- I can't seem to express much yet whn I feed it comes so fast the poor mite has milk running down his chin and half chokes himslf!

Lucy- I must be an even wors mum than you, if I'm feeding and he poos but carries on feeding happily and then drifts off to sleep I don't bother to change him til he wakes up. I call it self preservation.

I seem to have one of those non-sleeping baby type things at the moment. Awake all day yesterday, slept 2.5 hours from midnight last night followed by a couple of 1 hour bursts and has been awake until now today, and is only aslep now because we took him for a nice long walk and then I filled him up with milk

Not very practical though as of course he is tired to the extent that he is just a grouch and crying all the time so can't get anything done at all let alone nap and catch up on sleep!

Wish I could get Dp to understand quite hoq tiring it is to be feeding all the time, I know he is tired too but how do you get men to understand how washed out you feel when your baby has emptied both breasts twice inside an hour and a half? Last night he made himself a hot chocolate and watched football while I fed, changed, fed, left Ds screaming while I brushed my teeth and got back into bed and carried on feeding. Then Ds brought it all back up and wanted filling up again. I felt so valued!

Gloria42 · 28/01/2007 13:42

Indith, how do you know if a breast is empty?

Indith · 28/01/2007 13:44

Not sure really, I just go for a combination of it feeling all saggy and floppy and Ds getting frustrated at it rather than just coming off contented like he does when full.

Elibean · 28/01/2007 14:15

Gloria, yes, he could be feeding for ages trying to stimulate more milk supply...I'm no expert on BFing though, maybe worth asking for ideas on the BF thread as well as here?? 100mls is not bad at all, I often get that in one go at expressing - sometimes a bit less, sometimes more - but then dd2 never takes more than that in one feed either. How often are you expressing and/or feeding?

Castles, thanks - you're a sweetheart (again ). There you are with three to look after, offering to help: xxx. Its true you're just down the road, on good traffic moments at least - be lovely to meet you, not to burden you with windy babes or bored three year olds though, necessarily .

On the subject of meeting - honestly, I'm scared to take Mischa anywhere with a lot of people, especially kids, right now, because each cold she catches is likely to land her in hospital again. Maybe totally paranoid, and unrealistic, because her big sister is at nursery so avoiding bugs is a waste of time...but can't help trying to avoid any I can avoid, for another few weeks till bronchiolitis season is over. I was so UNparanoid with dd1, who never caught anything worse than the sneezles, but the last few weeks have turned me into my mother . Once the weather warms up, be great to meet up - if you all promise not to faint when you see how ancient and (by then) knackered I am....

Elibean · 28/01/2007 14:17

Ah - oops, x-posted with lots of responses to Gloria, sorry.

Lucy, I'm like Indith - if dd poos after a feed and is all sleepy, at 3am I chicken out of changing. So far, so good...

Elibean · 28/01/2007 14:20

ps Gloria, definitely will help having an electric pump - at least, it has me! I got a dribble with the hand pump, but at 9 weeks can get 150mls in fifteen minutes with the electric.

bewilderbeast · 28/01/2007 14:25

Quick update as am computer limited for a few weeks. DS is now 11lb 13 yippeeee. Has had his second set of jabs, total nightmare and I think he's teething and is totally miserable with it.
Gloria, try reading a book or watching tv whilst expressing, and get your partner to take the baby, I'm having major trouble in this department myself but being near DS or thinking about him doesn't help. I read a very helpful bit in my baby book that says it can be better to be thinking/watching/reading something that is totally unrelated to baby/breastfeeding.

jabberwocky · 28/01/2007 15:37

Magnolia, what did you do for the fast letdown? One side is so fast he frequently gags getting started.

Elibean · 28/01/2007 16:37

Jabber, I have this on one side - now, dd has got used to it and tends to look warily at me whilst latching on, then stops sucking as soon as the milk starts flowing until she gets her breath back. But I also express when I can, just a bit, first - then let her have the rest. Or latch her on to the slower side first, as I find the fast side will then leak (lovely) quite a bit and slow itself down that way.

But she still chokes sometimes, anyway...

jabberwocky · 28/01/2007 16:52

LOL, I do the slower side first too. I have been amazed ocasionally to find the entire pad soaked and my top as well

Don't feel bad about keeping Mischa in. We did the same the first 6 weeks with Kiernan and he wasn't even sick, just little. A friend of mine has a 2 year old who was 6 weeks early. She has taken him out of nursery (it was only two days a week)until March on doctor's orders that he try not to get any more colds. His little lungs are a bit sensitive from being a preemie it seems. so they are rather isolated atm as well.

Elibean · 28/01/2007 16:56

lopsided us, eh.

Thanks, no, I shouldn't really...its only sensible, given the situation. Any amount of congestion/cold makes life really hard for her - and us - last night I was up every hour trying to help her clear her nose and/or throat, because she chokes so easily. And its really only a medium sized cold, nothing serious. Roll on spring...

Gloria42 · 28/01/2007 19:15

ok, after two sessions with the pump I might actually have enough for a feed.

Was feeling a bit happier earlier for a while at least as had a good feed from 2.30 until 3. Much less painful due to new positioning. However, this wasn't the end of the feed and DS kept going (or crying when we tried to take him off) until 5.50 when DP took him to another room and managed to settle him.

I now live in fear of my 4 week old waking up and wanting fed again. Someone tell me this won't last for ever???

accessorizewithbabysick · 28/01/2007 19:44

hi gloria, all sounds v stressful 4 u and dh bu perfect'tly normal reaaly it is! I spent 3 hrs 6-9pm feeding d2 last night was so cold was shivering! It will get better and nt every day will b like this. But if u go with the flow its easier 2 live with - just accept this is what he needs & get comfy with tv remote, choc & wine - I'm trying to think I get 2 watch ER rather than oh god here we go again! If u get out of the hse during the day as much as poss it will help u feel less chained 2 sfa rest of time. There is thread in bf with sim prob whch made me feel better. (hugs)

satinshoes · 28/01/2007 20:02

i was feeding non-stop from 6-9pm and then 10-12.30pm last night very normal and tiring

Gloria42 · 28/01/2007 20:38

Thanks Accessorize and Satin, glad to hear it's not just me.
You are the first people to say this is normal, my family all say "surely he's not STILL hungry?!" as if there should be something I can do about it. Am desperate not to move to bottles, for a while at least, and as long as he's getting what he needs.
Will try to relax and go with the flow

satinshoes · 28/01/2007 20:44

gloria - with dd1 i had months of that from my family. partly as they wanted to be able to feed her i think

just keep going. it will get better