March 2016 Babies Thread #11 - We've got smiley babies, screaming babies and farty babies!

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This time last year....my nephew was days away from being born, I was planning a wedding and looking forward to that holiday.....little did I know that I would fly home with a little souvenir

Morning all.

Time we use a dummy, and have the same as maybe: he seems to drop it when he's properly asleep and usually won't need it back at all (though I have been trying to pop the dummy in to put him off feeding in the night, but that just ends up with me being more awake for longer). Sorry, that's not particularly helpful.

I could be really awful and claim DS2 only wakes once in the night - but that would be because I'm still up when he wakes at midnight and get up when he wakes at 5:30-6ish. Because I am stupid.

It does depend when you count from. If we go from when I start trying to put him down at about 7ish, he'll need feeding about 8-9pm then 12, 3, 6 and then 8am too.

winging if DS2 didn't still have his hands swaddled in he'd be trying and failing to suck his hands, he'd dislodge the dummy and would get infuriated.

maybe - with DS1 we did attempt some sleep training at one point but quickly discovered that just feeding him back to sleep was vastly quicker and less painful for everyone. He eventually slept through by himself. I plan to do the same again this time.

Time, it's really helpful to get that confirmation that it's not you, isn't it?! People thought I was exaggerating DS1's antics, but he's gradually shared with most people now! Some children are hard work. I'm so, so pleased to be finding things easier with DS2, it's confirmed to me that DS1 is just highly strung. It's been quite healing actually!

I feel for ya Time. Been in tears this morning feeling like DS must hate me (I know he doesn't really). He wouldn't go down in his sleepyhead last night, eventually got him to sleep lying next to me at 11.30, then he was up hourly from 2.30. Finally managed to get him to nap in the sling at 11.20 this morning and he's still sleeping, touch wood.

Is your DD full on crying? DS spends a lot of the day crying but it's more shouty than proper crying if that makes sense. Hope the new milk does the trick for you.

dom that's helpful to hear, thank you! I'm trying to get him into some sort of nap routine at the moment just so I have some element of predictability to my day but I may need to accept it won't happen.

Bad toothache today so off to the dentist...I have an impacted lower wisdom tooth so suspect that's what it is.

time v sorry to hear you're having a hard time. Fwiw I was a really hard baby - cried constantly, wouldn't sleep etc but a good toddler, child and teenager! My sister otoh was a dream baby but boy was she a foul toddler...constant tantrums.

FS my DS is shouty too! Goes right through me sometimes. I had him in the sling yesterday and he was angrily squirming and shouting before he eventually gave in and slept.

I second what maybe said about good babies being difficult toddlers and vice versa. My ds was a horrendous baby but a gorgeous toddler, friends had the opposite.

We've cracked out the bumbo, she actually likes it!

maybe our nights are pretty similar. Last night was a one off with feeds at 11.30 and 4.30 (so I got an almost 5 hour stretch of sleep!) but generally DD2 will go down at 6.30/7 and wake at about 10.30, 1.30 and 4.30 pretty consistently. DD1 was a worse sleeper at this age so I'm happy with what I've got even though I know others have it better! We didn't do cc or cio with DD1 despite her waking up regularly until she was 18 months old. It just didn't feel right to me but I've got nothing against it and we managed to ride the storm out until she just slept through by herself.

DD2 is also a shouter - in the middle of the night but also just randomly when lying on her back. was in a mum and baby yoga class this morning and during the relaxation bit she started shouting really loudly for ages; I was really paranoid it would bother other people but they seemed to just find it funny.

Oh no, DS2's just woken up with a definite temperature. I had my suspicions overnight and this morning, but he definitely is warm (and unhappy) now.

Hardly surprising, really. I've had a bit of a cold going on for a few days and there's a horrible virus going round DS1's class.

Poor baby. Should I give him calpol?

I've given him some ibuprofen. I thought, if it was me that felt rotten, what would I do?

Good call dom, I'd have done the same. Hope he perks up!

Aww Dom - hope he's feeling

Oops DS grabbed my phone

... feeling better soon. It's only a problem if it goes up quickly, isn't it? I can't remember.

time the awful baby to easy toddler thing is true for DS too, he's a joy of a child. I have a friend with a 20 month girl who was hands down the worst sleeper I've ever heard of, probably could give C a run for her money, we're talking waking every 30 minutes all night. She's now the sweetest little toddler, sunny as the day was born, and sleeps through most nights. The turn for both kids came when they started walking, and both were early, 10ish months.

swear we tried the bumbo with T but she doesn't fit!! It's her big cloth nappy bum. So we sold it. She likes her activity centre, loves being upright and her toes just touch the floor so she can rotate the seat.

Aw get well soon baby Dom!

Sympathies to time, FS and others - having a teary day here too with period pain, constant battles at nap time etc, and DS was out with work until 11pm last night so feel like I didn't get a break. I also feel like she hates me when she just kicks and scratches at me when I'm trying to get her to sleep. It's so far from the image I had in my head of a baby looking lovingly at me and drifting to sleep as I rock or read her a bedtime story.

Eventually DD was inconsolable and I couldn't take any more so just let myself properly sob to get it all out. She stopped crying, turned her face to me and started kissing/slobbering all over my cheek. I know it was just a reflex (or maybe she liked the salty taste!) but it really did feel a little bit like she was trying to comfort me! Then I felt guilty for inadvertently using my child as a crutch

I meant DH there!

What time do your babies go down for the night? I'm trying to get DS down at 7pm and sometimes it works but often (like today) he just can't last that long, even with a late nap. Today he finished his last nap at 5pm (and it was nearly 2 hours long) and he's already knackered.

maybe DS goes to bed at 7. He has his longest nap after lunch usually (1-2.30ish if we're at home, if we're out like we were today he split it into 2 and had 1.30-2 and then 3-3.45 ) and then he always needs a cat nap about 5 for 20 minutes to get him through to 7. He already wakes at 5/5.30am most days so I don't want to move bedtime any earlier for fear that he'd wake even earlier.

ffaux for you, I often find it harder too when DH isn't here. I rarely need him when he is but not having him as an option to hand the baby over to when it gets hard makes it worse! I'm lucky in that DS has always gone to bed well in the evening but naps can be more of a battle. He scratches me too sometimes with all his flailing around. Generally now if I've been battling with him for a while and I feel myself starting to get stressed, I just give up and play with him or let him have a bounce in his chair and try again in half an hour. We have both calmed down by then and it's usually much easier the second time round.

maybe we can't get ds to go down for the night any earlier than 8:30 but more like 9:30ish if he sleeps before then it's always a max of 30 mins. Up for the day about 9am too.
We also only have 30 min naps, awake for 2 hours sleeps for 30 mins so usually 4/5 naps a day.

Maybe The time J goes down for the night depends on when his last nap is. He's often napping when we have dinner 5-6pm ish which is a blessing so we can all eat but then I wake him up so that he has another 'awake' time before he goes down for the night. Earliest is 7:30 but tonight I only woke him up at 6:30 so he might stay awake until 8-9. I'm not worried about keeping it consistent just yet, especially as he normally goes through until 5-6am. Once he's in his own room and a bit older I might try for a more consistent bedtime and more of a routine but I'm quite relaxed about it. I'm more concerned that DS1 gets to sleep undisturbed.

Has anyone started using the jumperoo yet? It says online from 6 months but J seems to love being upright on his feet on us, but he's so heavy to hold!

Yes we use jumperoo - DS only 3.5 months but great head control. Don't leave him in it for very long though.

maybe I swear our babies are on the same pattern! DD2 also really struggles and is often knackered by 5pm. I try to get her to have a late cat nap around half 4/5 to keep her going - today was successful so she was in bed by 7. But sometimes if she refuses to cat nap we just give up and put her to bed at 6.30 (and often that is later than she'd like )

me I have read that early wakings can be a sign of overtiredness and actually putting them to bed earlier may mean they sleep later - it never really worked with DD1 who wakes up early regardless of what time she sleeps but you never know if it will help! In any case putting DS to bed earlier likely won't mean he wakes up earlier... with DD1 if we put her down e.g. an hour earlier she wouldn't wake up an hour earlier.

rhu we haven't started using the jumperoo yet but 6 months sounds rather late - think we had DD1 in it at 4 and a half months once she had full head control.

I'm a little paranoid about DD2s head control - she can hold her head up well and has a fair amount of tummy time holding her head up. But when she 'flops' down she definitely favours one side and always flops to the right. It's like her default position. I googled it and read about some condition where their neck muscles can be a bit tight on one side so now really worried they're something wrong! Would I be a bit mental to go and see the GP about it? Part of me thinks it's over the top but on the other hand, wouldn't harm to get it checked out and who cares if the GP thinks I'm dramatic?

Marmite DS1 had torticollis, most likely caused by his forceps delivery. Is that what you are referring to? He couldn't look to the right and had less arm movement down that side. The GP referred him to a physio, but she only came to us the once with some exercises for us to do regularly with him and within a few months he was fine. Definitely no harm in getting in checked if you are concerned.

Think I'll unpack the Jumperoo then and see how he gets on.

D hardly naps! He will fall asleep on me for 10-40 minutes once a day and will fall asleep if I drive him around in the car but he will not nap any more than that. He just wants to feed non-stop . I feel so guilty that i dont do anything with Sam,he spends way to long in front of the tv or on the tablet. D obviously doesn't need to feed all the time because if we go out for the day he will ride around in the pushchair for hours before needing a feed. I've tried putting him in the jumperoo the bumbo and on the play mat but if we are at home he wants to feed. I don't want D to grow up to quick but I'm looking forward to getting to the stahebhe can play with me and ds1. The only plus side to a lack of naps is D goes to bed at 9.30/10 and sleeps through to 7/8.

marmite oooh good I'm glad it's not just me!!! Little love still fast asleep after going down at 6.15 .

Sympathy right back at you ffaux. I had the same lovely image of a baby looking lovingly at me and drifting off to sleep. I also was naive enough to think that babies settle for their mummy. Ha! It is so hard when you don't get a break, most days I'm counting down the hours for DH to get home from work.

Maybe I can't get DS down for the night until 10 :( I don't know what I'm doing wrong, everyone else seems to get their babies to bed much earlier. If he falls asleep earlier he'll always waken up within 30 mins and be wide awake.

Wooden the constant feeding is so tough. DS seems to have grown out of that for now, but in the early days I was permanently glued to the sofa feeding.

Ah yes rhu that's the condition I mean! I'm sure I'm overreacting and it's fine, but every time I see her with her head just flopping to the right I get paranoid

Fs I know a few mums irl who struggle to get their baby's down before 10 or later. Think some babies are just wired that way unfortunately, doubt you're doing anything wrong.

fs oh don't worry at all, loads of my NCT group have babies like this.

As much as I like to think we have some control over what they do at this age, I really don't think we do. They sort of do what they like don't they

Plus DS doesn't sleep through.