March 2016 Babies Thread #11 - We've got smiley babies, screaming babies and farty babies!

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This time last year....my nephew was days away from being born, I was planning a wedding and looking forward to that holiday.....little did I know that I would fly home with a little souvenir

marmite it's supposed to be a bit cooler tomorrow so I think your dress will be fine. I hope it is a lovely day.

Q that's disgusting behaviour. Appalled, at least your DP and family members stood up for you. My MIL is very anti bfing too, I think it's a bit of a generational thing - she had her babies (my dh and SIL) in the 70s when it was very out of fashion? No excuse though.

Time glad you had a bit of a better night. If DD will sleep in her swing chair, can you look into getting one which you can lie flat once she's gone to sleep? There's often ones going on local Facebook selling sites for very cheap.

q I'm furious on your behalf! Agree with me its a generational thing, but that doesn't in any way make it ok. And two hourly feeds are definitely normal for bf babies. And it's total bullshit that ff babies are happier (or sadder, incidentally). You only have to look at this thread to see that you've just as much chance having a high needs baby if you bf or ff, its just the luck of the draw. Sorry that you're having to deal with ignorant unhelpful comments glad you had people there to stick up for you.

What the actual... Q?!
I'm furious on your behalf too. Glad the others stood up for you too. Though you know the MILs are completely wrong.

Does anyone else have a hot baby? DS2 always feels hot. I'm sure he's fine; he's feeding, sleeping, behaving as normal and as expected, and DS1 was also a hot baby too. But I keep wondering if I'm being neglectful and he's actually ill. (He doesn't seem ill in any way, just warm!).

I remember having the same worry when DS1 was about 3 weeks old. NHS direct asked me if he was behaving normally. I was like "I've only just met him, I don't know!".

Oh that was the other one - i'm only doing it because it's fashionable and not thinking of what my baby needs!
Allong this because mil woke him up from his sleep and he cried lots and I couldn't get him back to sleep!

She's just rang dp having a go at him saying 'don't you ever dare talk.to your mother like that again' and he told her to never belittle me again and he won't need to, she hung up on him!

Huge wishes for tomorrow marmite hope it's a gorgeous day and exactly what you want.

Haha dom what are you supposed to gauge as 'normally'? R seems hot, he also likes his baths etc really quite warm too - I worry he's overheating on a night etc but he always seems happy, nappies ok and nothing really different in the 7 weeks I've known him. Does it reflect that im always hot? Maybe they were just too toasty when they were tucked up inside?!

Q my mil is similar... I was really impressed that she restrained her opinion on pil first visit but she kept going on about an article she had read and would leave it for me to read... Once they left I did read it and it was basically advising the opposite of everything I was doing Including don't bf but to ff... Completely a generational thing she didn't bf and I think sometimes if you do something different to how they did it they take it as a criticism of what they did or didn't do rather than personal choice.. Well annoying!

Q! Poor you, everything they said is utter crap as you know. E feeds every 3-4hours through day and night and is ff. Ds was bf and by this age slept from around 11-6am. Ds also never had wind and wasn't unsettled in the evening. E is. Just a few experiences to add to you ignoring their rubbish.

Mine visited yesterday and came out with two classics. Fil "she's doing so much better now you put her on bottles". Erm she has been on them from day 2 so it isn't as if she had been malnourished through lack of feeding for weeks. Btw they are also not interested in bf and we're ecstatic when I gave up with ds

Then mil just in the middle of chatting about usual stuff and with ds around too "so have you had any postnatal depression?" Thankfully not because I'm hardly going to find a big family chat about if helpful if I had!!

I have learnt to just grin and then message my mate after with lots of wtf wtf wtf?!?!

Q by the way your dp sounds fab! Well done to him.

Good luck tomorrow marmite, how exciting!

We've had a lovely weekend here as it's the US Mother's Day today and the weather is gorgeous! Just feel really happy and blessed with life right now, and being so anxiety prone I don't often sit back and get to realise how lucky I am to have this little one :)

Like many of you I've been feeling really shitty about my figure and none of my jeans fit me right now, so I bit the bullet and bought some high-waisted ones in 2 sizes bigger than my usual size. But the high waist in a proper fitting size is so much more flattering, I've been tucking shirts into them and it feels so good to look like I have a waist again. I also found an underwired nursing bra which actually pushes up and separates boobs as I was so sick of the monoboob frumpy look. So my advice is to embrace your new temporary curves and go shopping!!

dom yep DD is a little furnace, I was taking her temp every couple of days at first but now I'm just accepting she's just a hit baby. Always makes me sleepy when I snuggle her

Q oh my! My MIL is visiting soon and will be staying in our tiny apartment for THREE WEEKS with us, I'm dreading it tbh. It will just be me and her sitting staring at each order all day every day. It's been he hard enough having my own DM here for the last month, as grateful as I am for he help. Also I don't think MIL will be as willing to help with chores but will expect to be waited on ^^

Thanks for letting me vent dp was fab, when his mum rang him just then she was literally screaming at him - he asked if she would let him speakand she said no. He's asked me not to get in touch with her because he doesn't want me to argue with her and said he will deal with it.

Do people just lose their filters when it comes to family and having babies? At the moment I don't want her anywhere near him if she doesn't respect my choices but i think I'm just angry.

Ooo ffaux I really want an underworld bra again - these 34g's look so saggy without a wire. That's my night feed online shopping decided

My unhappy and malnourished breastfed baby.

Stupid question... have been out since the crack of sparrows today and so I haven't managed to bf M. I'm expressing because I'm knackered, my back is killing me and I can't get comfy feeding Moo.

I've been at it since 9.30 and have expressed 1.5oz which is crap.

Is this because I've not had a lot to drink today and it's been hot, or is it because I've not bf since thus time yesterday, or is it because my milk supply has never been great?

I need to do some research. ..

Q- what a gorgeous little baby! Smile is infectious! I've had my fil comment on me breast feeding DS saying he must be starving (after he's just been fed for an hour) as he's sucking on his dummy, your clearly not providing enough milk for him so why not give him formula! It annoys me so much when people put you down especially someone who knows nothing about it!! At the end of the whether you ff or bf you are doing what is best for you and your baby and what suits you and your baby so I've just come to the conclusion to sod everyone else!

Paper - is that normal for you? How much do you usually get when you express? What time of day do you usually express and have you expressed from both sides?

Q he's perfect, good on you and glad your DP is supportive

paper I have low milk supply so not sure I'll be much help, but this is what I learned from my issues:

a) babies are more effective than the pump so low pump output doesn't mean you have low supply; also it can depend on type of pump etc. I had to rent a hospital grade one to get better output

b) our supply is at its lowest in the evenings, that's why babies tend to cluster feed then as they are getting small amounts and often (but incidentally it contains more of the hormone which helps them sleep)

c) being tired and dehydrated can affect your supply a little, but I don't think significantly

I never pumped much more than 1 ounce in the evenings, (one of my boobs is very bad and I rarely got more than 0.25 oz from it whatever time of day!) and the most I ever got was 3oz at 4am. Supply is at its highest in the early hours of the morning

The Kelly Mom website is a great resource !

paper just noticed that you said you have not breastfed for 24 hours, is that right? It does rely heavily on supply and demand, so in all honesty that could be the reason for a low supply tonight as your body will have received a signal that you don't need to produce more milk. If your supply has been healthy until now just keep BF or pumping every 2-3 hours to build it back up. I hope that helps

Ha Q what a beautiful picture and what a pair of idiots!!! Just because you've had a child does not make you an expert in children.. Specially not if it was 30 odd years ago! I really am getting sick of people telling me to stop pumping, my mums like I was talking to my friend blah blah and she said you should just stop and use formula.. Like who is this person and what business is it how I feed my baby??!

Out of interest what is that in the bath with him Q we've just given our loaned baby bath back as she was too big for it but we're using the big bath and it makes me a bit nervous..

Also a hot baby here, when it's been colder we've gone out to meet other babies in the pram with a vest and suit and maybe started in a hat and then met babies in booties gloves cardigans coats etc she's never been cold.. So now it's hot she's wearing even less... Still seems got enough? !

paper I get 5 ounces in 20mins on a double pump upto 7 if I can be arsed to sit for longer at 3am.. But I have been pumping every 3 hours for weeks to bring up supply and if I go four I get a bit more and if I go five without pumping it drops off as my body has clearly got the not needed message? I Now try and pump shorted than 3 hrs if going out and find that way I'm never long off the 3-4 before being home or in a car.

I've done extensive reading on pumping while pumping and it really is a case that what you pump doesn't reflect what a baby could get but I also think that like BF you have to work at it to get it to improve a bit.. If you want to get more from pumping so that u can give a bottle you can try cluster pumping, sit for an hour or so of an evening and pump for ten minutes stop for a while pump again etc and it mimics cluster feeding to help boost supply, also give your boobs a massage with the hand not holding the pump. As ffaux said Kellysmom site is good as is exclusively ping.com..

Exclusivepumping.com don't know what the other site might get you!

Thanks for the info ladies. I usually get 3ish oz so I was a bit surprised.

Normal bf service will resume tomorrow and will continue for quite some time to come I hope!

vroc it's a bath support from mothercare, this one 'www.mothercare.com/Mothercare-Fabric-Bath-Support/651707,default,pd.html&loadMoreCurrentStatus=1&returnCgid=bathing_bath&returnSrule=null&start=10&returnScrollPos=689' in fact the sil who stuck up for me today bought us it, it's been great, R really enjoys his baths as I can swoosh him from side to side and use both hands to splash his legs.

'www.mothercare.com/Mothercare-Fabric-Bath-Support/651707,default,pd.html&loadMoreCurrentStatus=1&returnCgid=bathing_bath&returnSrule=null&start=10&returnScrollPos=689'

Argh link keeps on failing

Yay for your dp q but boo for your mil and to anyone else who likes to critique our parenting skills'

Dom I have been in hospital with both dc's and been told they have low temperatures and been surprised how toasty a normal temperature feels. All the advise about not letting babies overheat and both mine at some point have been in tropical feeling hospitals in a vest, baby gro, socks, 2 x cardigans and 3 x blankets constantly having their temp monitored to bring it to normal before dr's have concluded I just make cool babies. I don't try to replicate that as they are both absolutely fine but I probably am one of those mum's that you see with an extra layer occasionally. My dm is staying over as dh is away with work and she looked at me like I was mad when I said I was putting C in bed in just a vest tonight, the monitor said it was 26 degrees in our room, I was tempted to just go for a nappy!

Hope today is perfect for you marmite, any chance of a sneaky pic of your dress?

Paper do you look at dd/pictures when you pump, luckily I don't have a supply problem but I do find that that speeds up pumping.

A tiring night for me - DS woke every 15 minutes or so from 2 until 4.30 - every time his dummy fell out more or less. He was thrashing around and it took me a while to realise he was actually cold all the concern about overheating! Once I pulled s blanket back over him and tucked it in he settled down.

Q's bath support looks great but I also recommend the Angelcare one - we never bothered with a baby bath, just put DS straight in the big bath with the support and it's fab.

I second the recommendation of the angel care support we've used that from beginning too.
Me- oh no:( hope you get some more rest... X