August 2015 - Jaffa cake wars and many Mugabe greetings to you!

[mzzzf]

New thread ladies - praying for a decent sleep tonight!!

Ruby - that sounds tough. I second the suggestion above to feed him in his gro bag. For DS2's night feed I do this and he's sleepy by the end of the feed and after rocking can be put down.

Re green poo - I was panicked about green poo early on (when I was breastfeeding) but I understand too much foremilk is only one explanation.

Good morning!
A pretty good night in the frolic house. Ds was asleep by 10:30pm (massive improvement from 12-1am) and did 3 blocks of 3 hours with quick feeds in the middle and no trouble settling back down. It's nice to be up for the day a bit earlier than usual. We have to get to the betts early with frolicdog tomorrow, so hopefully we'll have a similar night tonight. Wrangling a baby and a very nervous dog wil be interesting.

His farts are getting more pungent, but no sign of the poonami yet! Thank you for the advice re: the reusables. Getting them sorted will be my project this weekend. I'll just have to cross everything that he keeps it in for the funeral today.

You've had some great advice about the ergo already lily. I'd say the same about the waistband being more central and maybe have the shoulder straps a bit tighter again. Ds' legs need to be out of the insert as well and it feels a bit different to when he was all squished up inside. Maybe it's a bit of an awkward, in between stage and it will feel better when they're big enough to go without.

Re: the age thing. It's not that I don't think I could be friends with the younger ones. I'm usually able to get on with most people. But they seem to talk to me like I'm their mum. Or they are quite shy and look really uncomfortable when I try to make conversation.

Hi-five mini mzzf for falling asleep in the travel cot. I hope she had a good nap and a successful transfer to bed.

I know everyone else has said it tindel, but I will too, it is not wrong to let a baby sleep cuddling you. A small baby doesn't need loads of games either, just plenty of love, food, cuddles and some gentle stimulation to introduce him to the world. You are not inadequate
The music thing is a great idea. Ds loves it and seems to really respond to it, which pleases my musician dh no end.

Fatty - I mooted vasectomy to DH but he wouldn't consider it. Said any operation has risks. I pointed out that I've had two caesareans, two laparoscopies, plus egg collections (under sedation) etc in our quest for children! I was nervous of coil (especially as I haven't given birth vaginally) and would prefer to use hormones. We are planning to use condoms (haven't needed to yet!) Chances of me getting pregnant naturally are tiny but I don't want to be wondering each month.

cor my DP is worried but he said he would rather do that than have me undergo a bigger operation and set my recovery back. (I suffered severe SPD, still not right now) plus after having your tubes tied you can't do any heavy lifting for at least two weeks and my DS2 weighs a tonne!

I wrote that first post earlier but forgot to click post! Duh!

Anyway, so much to catch up on since then! Sorry if I miss anything.
The good news is that the poonami came. And we didn't need to worry about the nappy holding because most of it came out in between nappies and ended up all over dh and the floor! I was in stitches! I think that dh may speed up his nappy changes from now on

giraffes, we had green nappies at the beginning. Hv said not to worry. It can be caused by lots of things, and doesn't always mean there is a problem. But I did stop switching boobs 1/2 way through a feed to ensure that he gets enough hind milk. This sorted it straight away. Might be worth a go if it's not something you've tried already.

Well done on the project nap progress clstow.

That sounds shit ruby . We've also found that ds drops off and stays asleep better in a gro bag.
We're the opposite of siani in that he sleeps much better at night after a couple of 3 hour day time naps. Otherwise he gets over tired and jumpy.

If you don't want hormones cor, have a think about a copper coil. I had one pre ds and can't say enough good things about it. I will be making an appointment to have another one fitted when ds is 12 weeks.

Have a good day augmums!

Wow loads to catch up on will go read now whilst DS has a nap but just wanted to share- he went from 9pm last night to 7.30 this morning without a feed!!!!! He was in bed for about 9.30 and I did have to get up about 6 or 7 times to put his dummy back in when he was murmuring (the murmurs usually get louder until he breaks into a cry when he's ready for food) but I'm amazed!! Each time he murmured he still had his eyes pretty much shut and dummy just got him to drop straight back off! I'm sure it's just a one off but I'm so impressed with him! There is light at the end of the tunnel after all!

Thankyou siani and cor, I haven't been using a sleeping bag on him recently so will give that a try. He never naps more than 2hrs (normally 30/40min!) so it's definitely not too much sleep in the day! Is probably overtiredness, can I ask how many/how long naps your babies have in the day? Maybe he isn't getting enough naps

Reusable are great, they really aren't too much trouble to wash etc either. I'd recommend getting a variety and see what ones suits you eg lots of people seem to like little lamb but I find them really bulky

Lily wow well done! Let's hope it isn't just a one-off, it shows you that he can do it :)

ruby242 Fergus usually has a several half hour naps on me while/after feeding plus one longer nap of about 2h, or a couple of 1 hour ones, either in the pram or in the bouncy chair. I make no attempt whatsoever to get him to nap in the daytime, just try to ensure that he's not hungry or in need of a change or cold or bored, and when he gets tired he falls asleep. He's a pretty placid wee chap.

Thanks for all the ergo advice haven't given it a go again today as its been miserable raining day and now the sun has come out DS Has literally just dropped off. I would wake him any other day as I know he'll go asleep again in the carrier but we are meeting all the girls from work later and I really want him to be well rested to meet them! He has been so smiley and chatty today I hope he carries on will be lovely for them to see some big gummy beams off him. I'm so excited to see them all, I missed my little last day party they had arranged and didn't get the chance to say bye or put my out of office on as he arrived so early!

Frolic- I'm laughing here at the thought of your DH!! Mine had a couple of those in he early days- once I was outside brushing the dogs and heard him screaming- I came in to poo on him the changing mat and the floor- dog trampled in it just for good measure!! Was like something off a film!!!

Ruby- Luca had got into a little pattern of having a couple of half hour/45 minute naps of a morning and then a mammoth 3 or 4 hour nap in the afternoon followed by another short nap before his bath at 7. But he's mixed it up the last couple of days- yesterday he had a 2 hour nap in the morning and then a few half hours throughout there rest of the day. Today he had an hour this morning followed by an hour 45 around lunch time and now has just dropped off again- who knows how long for! This is all within the last month (he's 3 months now) as before that he would never sleep for more than 30 minutes in the day! He is good at letting me know he needs a nap now- eye rubbing and becoming still and then if I don't take the hint he starts crying! Then it's dummy in, blankie on and off he goes! I really hope his overnight no feed isn't a one off as like Ou say now I know he can do it I'll find it frustrating if he doesn't!

Dear lord I'm so tired I might die!!!! *

I've done ALL the jobs** and got my hair cut. Dd2 slept through it while in the sling. She's only a bit hairy yet! I can look at myself in the mirror without shuddering now. Well the top bit. The middle bit is still a bit awful. I need to do the diet thing. I must!

Laughing at your Dh, frolic! Excellent consequence for being a slow coach. Absolutely second the use of Little Lambs wraps. Bomb proof they are. Lily your poo story is also a corker! Cheered me right up.

My friend from my first MN pregnancy bus has just found out she's up the stick with twins! So pleased for her. Take note she's still breastfeeding her first. Apparently you're more likely to get twins if you are. Although that didn't happen to me (phew!) and I'm bf dd1 still. We'll probably have another but leave it a while yet. I don't do well on hormonal contraception so we've just been counting and not dtd on fertile days (or not at all since dd2 was born . Living dangerously!

*drama llama, moi?

** of course I haven't. When are the jobs EVER all done? Never that's when. Never.

Mugabe afternoon all!

It's very positive to see the night posting decreasing so dramatically. I hope it means that everyone is getting plenty of Zzzzz

I spotted my DH picking up a leaflet about how to get a vasectomy whilst we were in the delivery suite waiting to be discharged after grumpy 2's birth. He is mostly disappointed that our NHS trust make you wait 6 months after having a baby before they will do it! When anyone asks him about the possibility of a third DC he shudders and says creating two has been traumatic enough. I did call him on this the other day and pointed out that however traumatic it was for him both the c-section and the VBAC were definitely more, shall we say, 'involved' for me .

Joking aside its easy to forget how much DPs feel about all of this. DH found both birth experiences really difficult and disempowering (as well as amazing of course!) and I have heard this from a couple of my male friends as well. It means I cut him a bit of slack sometimes when he is being really irritating...

lily grumpy 2 settled into a bit of a pattern as well, short nap in the morning, longer one over lunch (up to 3 hours) and a short one in the late afternoon. Both my babies have definitely been in the more daytime sleep = better night time sleep camp but siani I have several Mum friends who have had your experience of the opposite! Babies are just a law unto themselves and my personal route to happiness is to work with them not fight against their natural rhythm.

joskar ha! I love the description of 'tribes' of Mum's. That is so true of the Internet. You are quite right, the things you mention make no difference when making friends. I've picked up some great ideas I would never have tried from people I've met at the sure start centre and the like.

My experience has been that it becomes more of a mine field when they are of preschool age and become more aware of the differences between their lives and those of others around them. I have had lots of conversations along the lines of, 'Xxx might be allowed to do that but we have a different way of doing this in our family'. I'm pretty relaxed about most things (at the end of the day she is going to eat things / watch things / do things I'm not keen on so I have to deal with that. However, I do draw a line when it comes to parents with wildly different acceptable risk thresholds and very different ideas on kind behaviour (sharing and the like). It's too confusing for the dwarfs otherwise.

kbro we use motherease one-size two part reusable nappies. They work brilliantly for us and wash and dry quickly. I like the fact that both nappy and wrap have only poppers and no Velcro as I am pathologically incapable of washing Velcro so it doesn't just gather lint and bugger itself up. Having said that I have been given some Bumgenius pocket nappies from a friend and they seem excellent too. I use them overnight and the wicking inner keeps her dry for a full 12 hours and I've not had a leak yet. Whatever you buy make sure you prewash / soak them plenty of times before first use (24 hours in the bath tends to do it). Think of them like new towels, they'll get more and more absorbent the more they are washed, straight out of the packet they can leak like a sieve.

Driving back North in the rain but at least both girls are currently sleeping. I'm so jealous of those of you with babies that sleep in the car neither of mine are good travellers. Unconscious or unhappy definitely sums them up!!

Mugabe!
Ds has charmed his way through his first wake. And he didn't poo on anyone! Result! He's missed out on his long naps today though, so tonight should be interesting.

lily, that's an amazing sleep. I'm so envious! I hope you get the same again tonight.
Our poonami incident was a bit like a comedy sketch as well. i kind of wish I'd got a photo of dh standing there with poo dripping off his hands and down his t-shirt. Priceless!
I hope you had a lovely time with your colleagues.

Well done for getting the jobs done jockstar. it's just a shame that there is always something else to do.
at your friend getting up the duff with twins while bf-ing. Were they trying? My go tried to tell me that I didn't need contraception while bf! Err, no, ...... That's totally not a risk I'm willing to take.

Have a safe journey slow. I hope the dwarfs stay sleepy.

Ruby DS is the same - 30 / 40 minute naps and nothing more. Yesterday he napped for 2 hours (on me) but that was unusual. I really want him to nap longer. Half for myself but also cause I worry it's not good for him.

Huge thanks for the nappy advice. Going to look into it this weekend. Quite excited about trying them.

Ds has just gone to sleep, in his crib, at 7.30!!! As in actually gone to sleep there, not fallen asleep on me and then transferred. I'm actually totally weirded out by this. What price am I going to pay later?!?

Mugabe good nights to one and all

They were trying. Honeymoon babies. I think she's having a meltdown about how difficult it will be, how they'll afford it etc. I don't blame her. I told Dh and he went pale. Something tells me we won't be trying again til I'm done bf the girls! Like my friend we're in a two bed rental so it's a bit of a thought. I do think a single first then twins is the better way round though. The learning curve on the first one is so huge I would hate to have had to cope with twins too. Second time you've googled everything already so you're much less anxious/neurotic/insane with exhaustion at learning 500 million new things. Any good tips, love? You've got twins, I think?

Effin my ds is also tucked up in bed asleep! This is the earliest night yet and I don't know what to do with myself I have some down stairs and am staring at the monitor! Fingers crossed for a sleepy night

Slowife- my friends DP said that about her first labour and birth- she could barely remember what happened as she had all the drugs and he was totally traumatised! My DH got lucky really with me being so chilled and only calling him home from work later on- I think he was only there for 2 hours and 30 minutes of that was driving!

Frolic- yay to DS not pooing at the wake! Mine was also a little charmer with my colleagues tonight, in fact he's been a dream baby all day- the extra overnight sleep seems to suit him! I'm keeping my fingers crossed for the same tonight! He even waited till we got home to do an inexpected 2nd poo of the day! It was so nice catching up with them all I really miss our chats everyday- one of them is newly pregnant and another trying for no2 so they were besotted with DS. My HV also told me whilst ebf I didn't need contraception! Surely very outdated advice now with the number of stories you hear!

Effin and teddy- keeping my fingers crossed for you guys tonight too! In fact well wishes and fingers crossed for everyone's baby's to sleep tonight!

Tonight is not going well, send help (cake and gin!). My snotty little XX who usually sleeps in the sling after her bath until our bedtime has royly kicked off tonight. I've only just got her calmed down and I'm
Sitting alone in the dark and quiet of our bedroom after 2hrs of full on wailing. She may be part banshee!!
WTF happened to make her do this? I'm blaming the cold, snot is an evil thing!

I'm green with envy re the long nighttime sleepers!! Dd still wakes every 4 ish hours, so sleeping through here seems like a distant, yet shiney, dream.

Soz for the rant but waaaah! Wish me luck for tonight!

And twins?!!!! I would demand the service of Mary frickin Poppins I reckon!

MUgabe nights ladies!

Btw 'Mugabe Nights' sounds like a really shitty beach front bar in the costa del sol!
As long as it's one that we all frequent and they sell cocktails at half price between 7pm and 11pm!!

Fuck! Is Mugabe Nights where joskar is rocking her pvc knicks?!

Bugger just lost my post and I'm way too knackered to write it again.

Basically, sleep has gone to shit and I don't know why. 12 week jabs tomorrow though so all bets off anyway.

What are you all doing for Haloween? We are going to a local park for a spooky walk. Should be fun. Toddler will be a witch and baby a hand me down pumpkin!

Mugabe nights Augmums.

mzzzf that would explain why the hotpants have "Mugabe" wrote on them in neon
I had a stressful day today. DS2 has wanted feeding every hour and a half, and not just peckish, full on scream the house down feed me 8oz NOW!
Fun. Hopefully he's filled himself up.now and he will sleep!

Mzzzf, that has been our evening too so I may join you for gin chef Mugabe Nights!

Chez not chef

Welcome all to Mugabe Nights!! On the menu are various gun based cocktails and wine, ALL the wine!
There are many snacks courtesy of lidl and obviously complimentary Jaffa cakes and buenos - which are all magically calorie free!

I'm checking into Mugabe nights - it's all inclusive right?! No need to use the complimentary ear plugs as it's an adult only resort right?!