Just Mumming Thread 7 - the grads grads cope with walking, own rooms and have little time for shagging

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New thread! Roll call...

I know popz, pretty sure it was a one off due to the crap sleep she has last night.

I really should have slept.

I still really fear nights.

Wow la at the birth story! I thought I had it bad with weeks in hospital beforehand and failed induction and emcs, but it's nothing next to yours. So glad you're all home now!

Oh la! I've just read your story. You poor thing. I'm fuming on your behalf. So glass your all healing.
I too, am one of those ' rare ' ones who got hyper stimulated ending up in cs. Feel your pain x

Wow La that was quite epic. Are you going to go for the debrief?

Did you say it's on the JS Grads fb page La? I can't see it

Sorry not been on for a few days- R had his jabs yesterday and I've been rushing around like a blue arsed fly!

Wil you probably don't need this info now but when I've put P down for a nap I usually try and give R a bottle- wrap him up nice and warm so he drifts off too and either stick him in his cot in our room or leave him on the sofa. I then usually escape into the garden for 5 minutes and down a scalding hot brew, sometimes I may get chance to peg out some washing, or put rubbish in the bin outside.
P does go to the childminder once a week on a Monday just for my sanity really. Otherwise I think I'd curl up in a corner and cry.

They were both asleep at the same time today so I got on with my new venture of making homemade organic beauty products. Made some really lovely body butter, it's like Mr Whippy ice cream but smells like oranges and frankincense.
R's been a bit weepy and whinge since his jabs, P was never arsed with her first lot. She's teething at the moment- when she teeths she teeths BAD! Last time 4 came through at once and it took a week of no sleep and constant crying between nibbling and screaming at me, that was with alternating Nurofen and Calpol. She's all dosed up tonight so hopefully she'll sleep through bless her.

Aw thanks viroids I didn't post it up for sympathy but appreciate the kind words! It's more like you're all saying - these experiences are quite common but for some reason people pretend they aren't. So I wanted to share. Like just recently me, dulcet, mini, tee have all had births pretty heavy on intervention. Additionally my nct group all had it bar one person! I want people to understand that it's not a failing if it happens and be ready to cope mentally.

I'll consider the debrief. My thoughts on it are that I don't want to be a moaner because plenty of women have tough births. But perhaps it would help for them to know the aftercare stuff. There was one day I'd just got B to sleep during his light box session, just put my own bed down to sleep for first time in days and the door crashed open and paediatrician came in to do heel prick on B. So both of us got woken up and it was hours til I got him to sleep again. I was like Brad Pitt in twelve monkeys when I left hospital, all staring eyes and manic exhaustion.

Min I know that feeling - I'm staring at sleeping DS just now knowing I should sleep but I'm too on edge

I completely agree La. Women's birth stories get hushed up a lot during antenatal groups etc to not scare new mums. In my opinion id rather know- better to know and be prepared than be completely bloody oblivious! Think I'm going to start writing a blog to get all my feelings out as I'm keeping them all bottled up at the moment and I need somewhere to vent. I know I can to you lot but I don't want to appear all me, me, me all the time.

Oh La I forgot to mention, R has been weighed again recently and he's now on the 98th percentile for weight and the 91st for length! If he carries on he'll be bigger than me by the time he's 3!

I fell off the thread, have been super busy! Sorry!

Slowly catching up but just a quick note to say TS official E is one!

Happy Birthday E!! Hope he had a nice day.

Thanks Pixie. My eldest doesn't nap anymore other than in the car so that won't work. I loved it a few months ago when I could get them to nap at the same time.

Hopefully a quiet night in here means there was plenty of sleep!

Hmmm. Yes dulcet if you count the two hours whilst S was not feeding or screaming

MIL is here and I have just heard her get up (she's an early bird). S may be going in for some granny time soon so I can sleep.

How was your night?

Oh no fleur, not again! I think a morning with grandma sounds like a great idea!

Wasn't too bad here last night. Three wake ups, he went back down ok. Just waiting to see if this is the morning wake up or if i can squeeze another hour out if him. I'm doubtful...

Mega wake ups here too
So she came in with us once again.
This separation anxiety is shite!

Happy birthday for yesterday E!

Pixie love the big chubsters! B is 98th centile and no one believes me when I say he's newborn - he looks much older

I've no idea if I've slept or not. I think not much - he fed 10pm, 12, 1:30 (fussed until 3:30) then 6. I'm tired.

He kept waking himself up flailing arms and legs about so I swaddled him but then he only slept 1.5 hours and seemed v agitated.

I'm struggling with over supply. He jerks choking at initial letdown and it's really scary. Have had to change feeding position which we are both hating because we loved old position. He also pulls away lots and screams which can be due to over supply too

Cats are currently battering door downstairs wanting out.

Yeah we're hitting separation issues here too Min. Most annoying.

Have you got a hand pump La? You could pump for a minute before putting him to the breast to get past the stage of fastest flow? I hate that don't know if you've slept feeling. Been like that since 5am here. When Mini heard me getting the baby and then decided it was morning .

I do min but if I'm not quick enough feeding he screams blue murder.

those of you topping up feeds with formula, does it help? I'm at my wits end here. Been feeding every hour or more through the night, he never seems satisfied and keeps screaming at me and pounding me with fists. This is in addition to the over supply where he latched on, guzzles and chokes. I'm exhausted and miserable. I wondered whether using formula to give one bottle a day might help.

I've tried expressing for dh to give but I don't get enough of a break between feeds to do it

Wil not min. Tired

If you think the pumping will help, let him scream for a minute La. Otherwise it's just perpetuating the cycle. He's not in any harm and I literally mean about 60 seconds until it slows down a bit. I only did the formula thing with Mini at last feed sometimes or if I was out so not really sure about effect during the day. Reason would seem to say he would go longer - you could try it to see?

Is Jill still in the picture, la? I would try to speak to a bf counsellor to see if they can help - I have no idea about mixed feeding - wouldn't you need to pump if missing a feed?

I guess if he's a hungry baby a FF would fill him up and maybe he will sleep longer letting you get some rest at least.

I am a complete BF dunce - I am winging it here.

Granny time over, the extra hour and a half sleep was amazing

dulcet as soon as S wakes up any time after 5am he refuses to go back down - fights sleep and is a real grump.

Oh no min when does separation anxiety kick in? There is always something!

Been feeding since 5am here - latches, chokes, fights, screams, has a bit then wide awake and won't sleep. Begin cycle again .

Hrmmm... He takes a dummy la? Early days with O, I'd slip the dummy in while in feeding hold to get him to sleep?

I've always dotted in a formula bottle here and there, if he fussed and screamed and dummy didn't work id offer bottle, if fussed on bottle, then it's blasted to sleep by going out or white noise

kellymom.com/bf/got-milk/supply-worries/fast-letdown/

Have you read this?

Yes but I've struggled all night both with hand expressing and finding reclining position for bf

Morning viroids. Sorry about all the bad nights... Mini went to bed at 7 and was up again screaming blue murder by 8 Calpol and bath with Daddy and back to bed for 9.30... I keep thinking about putting him in his own room but he never sleeps for more than 2/3 hours at a time. Unless he's in bed with me Yawn.

I don't think the odd bottle of formula would affect your supply La. x

Haven't read everything, I'm away for the weekend - mini holiday!
Just wanted to say we do one bottle of formula a day, usually at the 1am ish wake up La and I LOVE it! Not affected my milk supply at all and health visitor was surprisingly supportive when I admitted it to her. I love getting a longer block of sleep cos DH does the feed.
(Do you have the Mam self sterilizing bottle? (I got free ones at the babyshow) we've got on great with those.)
So yeah, the 1 formula feed is great for us and I would heartily recommended it, but everyone is different.