October 2014 // thread 2 // keeping each other company through the night feeds!

[sazzlehopes]

Hi all, welcome to thread 2!

So my trip to the doctors was completely pointless. yellow I wish you'd been there with me. She wasn't my normal one and as soon as I said that I thought perhaps N had reflux and he was making this noise and bringing up milk etc and I'd seen green poos and blood in his poo last week she basically said it wasn't. But offered no explanation as to what the blood was from. She said that the green poo was not getting enough food. But she obviously hadn't listened to how many times I was feeding him. And to top it off she laughed in my face and said it was utter nonsense that if given up dairy and there was no was the milk protein could pass across breast milk
Even when I said I had friends who'd done this and even been referred by hospital to stop dairy she said the hospital was speaking rubbish. I left with the rage and prescription for gaviscon which I didn't even want and gave no intention if using until I get s proper diagnosis. For now I'm sticking to no dairy and will see if the other doctor who I prefer says at our 6 week appointment.

Sorry rage typos in that last post.
It was supposed to say 'no way could the milk protein pass across breast milk'

sazzle how infuriating !

Sorry to hear about your shite days pretty much all round :( H is at last napping after chewing my boobs for 4 hours this afternoon (while we had visitors, so my hostessing levels were zero), a friend from work is visiting soon too and friends who have visited already are asking when they can come visit again. Jaysus I feel so unsociable when I inwardly think "oh gimme peace" I always feel better for visits but its the tidy up and getting ready beforehand; plus if H is gonna be a wee vampire I feel a pissy host as I try to get H to feed while my friends sit there coffee-less!
Today was interesting, after a while she seemed to take against my nipples and pull her head back (still clamped down) or push off with her legs as if she was trying to snuggle headfirst into my underarms while taking my nipple with her. My boobs were running on empty by this point so it didn't seem to be a reaction to fast flow?? I ended up having to unlatch her as it seemed like she was only comfort/sadist eating!
Tomorrow is another day. Sending strong-fingered shiatsu head massages to all of you..

Sazzle that sounds awful. I wouldn't wait for the 6 week appointment, I'd rebook to see your normal nice GP as soon as possible. Why go through more stress for a couple of weeks just because a mean GP didn't want to listen to your concerns.

sorehead it definitely gets easier as they get older. They do become more challenging in other ways, ds1 aged 13 months is just on a total mission to either cause himself serious injury, destroy the house or injure the cats or dogs!

I have definitely found the baby thing easier second time round. The first time was total shell shock / panic / 'what have I done'? And this time it's more about juggling babys needs with toddler and Tryjng to get them to sleep!
dont think DH has spotted the £99 JL bill yet. He saw the bed and thought R will like it as looks comfy. I didn't mention the price

You definitely kind of just get on with it more with no2 - I guess it's a combination of having less time to worry and a little more confidence that you might not break them.
That being said, I'm having a pretty challenging time with DS1, also 13months, as he has had his first ever temperature and is really miserable and grotty and I'm finding it hard to look after his needs with DD perma-attached to my boobs.

My visitors were here for nearly two hours! Was nice to see them, but two hours is too much! Bed time now (fingers crossed)

Good luck for tonight everyone!

sazzle How enormously frustrating! I had a similar experience last year with my GP Refusing to refer me for lactose intolerance testing as recommended after 2-hour consultation despite having never met me and not even bothering to read my notes?? Definitely get a second opinion sooner rather than later. Better to be a PITA for the surgery than politely struggling alone.

Kirstipops I'm with you on the guest front. Everyone is gearing up for round 2 now...

Looks like it's going to be another hard night with Baby Badger - feeding for the last two hours and we have super dramatic hysterics as soon as I try to put her down. I'm contemplating introducing a dummy though I feel really conflicted - don't want to wreck our latch or my milk supply or to deny her food if she needs it but I dread another eight hours of cluster hell. Any opinions / experiences?

Badger we're using a dummy for the crying that nothing seems to stop. If BB is hungry she'll refuse the dummy and carry on crying/ rooting/ sucking hands.
I've been using one the past week and E doesn't seem to have a problem with latching.
Good luck!!

Sazzle that's awful but not entirely unexpected. Some GPs are shit about CMPI - our old GP suggested DS merely needed routine. Ah yes coughing up blood and crying for 6 hours straight common symptoms of a lack of routine.

Cows milk protein can and does cross into BM, its much rarer in BF babies (its a relatively common source of unsettled behaviour / colic in FF babies but often dismissed as wind) and babies that can detect cow casein protein traces in BM are very sensitive. But gah there's a blimmin monthly clinic at our local hospital for CMPI - will have to inform the paeds and dieticians their work is a fiction.

Gaaah I hate GPs who don't keep up with clinical advances made since they qualified. Second opinion needed xxx

Am so sorry you're going through this.

Go to sleep baby bump and stay asleep when I put you on your cot. I will cosleep if I have to, but I sleep much more co fortably without you snuggled into me! Right, now to try the transfer for the third time in the last 2 hours. Good thing I got some sleep before this ridiculousness!!!

Is there normally a growth spurt at 2.5 weeks?

Well it's O's due date today. I'm so glad he arrived early(ish)- hopefully we'll be in a routine/ my body will be used to being permanently sleep deprived by Christmas!

badger- hope your night hasn't been as bad as expected so far.

bump- did the transfer work?

TheBuggerlugs- that's reassuring, thank you :)

So sleepyhead works ok if there are no wind issues involved!

Please go back to sleep I cannot function on Just under 2 hours sleep. She's so unsettled tonight.

DH is absolutely doing my head in! He's under the misguided impression that it's bad for O to fall asleep on us and he should fall asleep in his Moses basket. So, when I do a feed, I hold him until asleep then put him down and it's generally pretty stress free. DH does a feed, winds him then puts him down.....which leads to a load of grunting and squirming (and a stressed mummy), eventually resulting in crying. He just won't listen!

To make things worse, I think one of his sister's children has given him a blocked nose/ cold type thing- I'm fuming (99% sure it's from them because her son had a cough when they visited and we'd not really been out and about for the few days prior to or since their visit and no-one else who's visited was displaying any related symptoms)

Same thing with my DH sore it doesn't head in as I have to deal with aftermath!!

Can I ask - if a baby is prem are developments normally later than term babies or should I expect the same?

Not a terrible night but not good either. I'm going to try cranial oestopathy for his wind as think it relates to how he feeds - DH has given me permission to throw our money away and he's still not spotted the JL receipt on the worktop!

No, the transfer did not work. Dp bought dd up at one and at 4 I gave up and bought her in with me. Managed a decent chunk then but I always sleep less well when they're this tiny and in bed with me!

Cuddle away sore. Buggs is right!

Marking my place again on this thread. Usual (it seems) struggles in our house. What's the mantra? This too shall pass?

i got a bit annoyed yesterday sore as one of my neighbours saw me and R was asleep on my chest - she said 'you just remind me of my DiL - always with the baby on her chest and now none of us can hold the baby - she's been spoilt!
I wanted to tell her that's nothing to do with it, some babies are just like that / she prob doesn't like you! But didn't habe the energy to argue! Same approach with two different babies doesn't mean same baby is produced -it depends on personality!

badger we use a dummy. I did with my first too, he was such a sucky baby. I wept the first time round as a dummy was one of those things I was determined not to use. The classic first time mum thing of im not doing that etc!!! Haha! However I'm so glad we did. It let me work out if it was comfort or food they want and it became an amazing switch for ds1 for sleep. We were strict with it past the initial baby stage...approx 6 months and then only used it for naps. I never took it out with us as he slept easily in the car/buggy and so whenever he slept in his cot he got the dummy. We got rid of it age 2.5 and it was no problem, he was happy to give it to the dummy fairies and get a present to say thanks!!!
This time I'm using again and N has no trouble going from dummy to boob, he has no confusion. Sometimes he loves the dummy, other times he spits it out and clearly he wants actual boob/food. Try it out, if it saves your sanity it's totally worth it! It doesn't have to be a terrible thing, you set the rules with how long and when you use it. Thanks also for you gp advice. I think I will go for a second opinion.