jan 2013- No, I will not have a new nappy

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Ta daaaaa new home feel at home already.

Glorious hope your mum is recovering well. I can do 17th Oct if that's good for Juniper as well?

DD still has a bottle of cow's milk before bed. I've bought just about every cup going and she refuses to drink milk out of any of them so sticking with the bottle for now even though I know she 'should' be drinking from a cup... She's also still in sleeping bags.

That's fantastic your DS is sleeping through cupcakes what's your secret?!
DD's sleep at night time is a nightmare. We've got into an awful habit of her having her milk and falling asleep on our bed with one of us next to her (which usually takes about an hour) and then transferring her to her cot once she's asleep. She then wakes up any time between about 10pm and 4am (although last night it was 8.55pm ) and screams until one of us picks her up and brings her back into our bed where we spend the rest of the night. It started a couple of months ago when she was unwell. We've tried gradual retreat, leaving her to cry and nothing works. The only thing that calms her is to pick her up and bring her into our bed. HELP!! Oddly she sleeps in her cot at lunchtime with no fuss at all. What can I do? Leaving her to cry is unbearable as she just stands in her cot and shouts "mummy mummyyyyyyyyyyy" until I crack and go in. Any advice gratefully received!

Hello yes I can do 17th but not 10th. I can get to charing cross/waterloo for about 11.20am.
Dan has milk on his cereal and 2 bfs a day. I think the requirement at this age is about 300ml milk a day or the equivalent in dairy products? No need for special toddler milk. Cows is fine.

Tugs once we cut out the dairy he just gradually got better and better. He still wakes up quite early but I'm sure that will improve over time!

Tugs is there any reason you can't just let her sleep in your bed till she grows out of this phase?

MsBug The thing is, I don't really mind her coming into our bed during the night. It's more the length of time it takes to get her to sleep in the first place, i.e. most of the evening. We used to be able to put her to bed (in her cot), give her a kiss, say night night and she'd go to sleep on her own. Also concerned about the impact the new baby will have on her and I worry that the longer she spends sleeping with us the harder it'll be to get her to sleep in her own bed and although it's a few months away yet, when baby number 2 comes along I'll probably co-sleep with him/her as I did last time and I don't want DD to feel like she's being evicted/usurped by new baby iyswim? Maybe I'm overthinking it?! I don't know. Doesn't help that my mum goes on and ON about how 'bad' it is to let her sleep in with us and that i have to "sort it out" (i.e. let her cry it out). I know it's not 'bad' and I don't want to let her cio.

Interesting cupcakes about the dairy link. I don't know that DD has an intolerance but might be worth investigating. Does your DS drink goat's milk?

I'm sure it is a phase - just wish I knew how long it would last!!

tugs she's not scared of the dark is she? Just wondering because you said she's ok sleeping on her own for her nap. Is her room quite dark? Expect you've thought of that already though! Personally I would carry on as you are and then things will just have to change when the new baby arrives. But that's because I never quite know how to change things so just let them grow out of stuff on their own. Just nod when your mum mentions it, I hate the thought of cio!

It was me who asked about the bedding. I think I might just leave her in a sleeping bag then as she also travels about the bed a lot all night. I don't know what I would buy even if I was going to get bedding though, do they do special first bedding sets?! I mean they must need much tinier pillows than we use.

Hope everyone's ok. I'm struggling to type as had a couple of glasses of wine and I'm a lightweight :)

I'm not sure tugs - dd slept in with us till fairly recently, but stopped without us doing anything. She always used to go to bed in her cot (after I bf her to sleep) then come in with us in the night. She stopped waking in the night so now she spends the night in her cot.

do you think she's aware you're pregnant and wants the comfort of sleeping close to you? I've heard that kids can revert to 'babyish' ways when a baby sibling is born?

When the baby is born she could sleep with your dh for a bit and you could sleep with the new baby, if you have space?

I don't know if / how you can help her fall asleep more quickly. Is she definitely tired when she goes to bed? Is it better or worse depending on how well she's napped?

Sorry, the point of my first sentence was that they can suddenly grow out of things by themselves, you don't necessarily have to be the one to break 'bad habits' for them

tugs he has soya milk. He's actually growing out of the intolerance now and is fine with stuff like cheese, he just can't cope with a cup of milk. I had loads of people pressuring me to do cio / cc - including DH and the HV. I dug my heels in and refused. Thank god I did, he was in pain with reflux and we didn't know. I can't bare the thought of him crying in pain and me not going to him. If it doesn't feel right to you, don't do it.

In many cultures co-sleeping is the norm and putting young children in a different room is considered wrong. I think. May have mis-remembered that...

ok, the 17th sounds great, let's go for it. Shall we aim to meet around 1130 then wander somewhere for lunch?

tugs no advice on the sleep, it sounds like you've tried what you're prepared to try, and I'm with you on cosleeping being a perfectly good choice if it works for you and cc not being for everyone. I still mostly sleep in Ellen's room with her cot side-carred to the bed. If you're mainly worried about the new baby could you do something similar for him or her to make safe space for everyone?

Even Ellen's sleep is gradually improving, though it's a bit up and down. But we've had the odd night of her only waking three times (waking me twice as the first is before I go to bed), which is brilliant!

Great! Really looking forward to it

We've had a lovely sickness bug sweep through the family in the last four days. DH had to take the day of work yesterday to look after the boys as I just couldn't move from the bathroom . He did the nursery run yesterday for DS1 with Dan on his back and got all the mummies swooning. I know because my mate who I usually walk up with texted me . He's been bad today as well as Dan though and I feel fine.

Oh well at least it missed DS1's birthday last thursday.

Yay looking forward to it too :)

Thanks for the sleep advice all. Birdies i thought it might be fear of the dark but she's got a nightlight so shouldn't be... and it's pretty dark in our room. I'm sure moving house has had an impact. Glorious we're planning to get a BabyBay side cot thingie so new baby can go in there and Dd could stay in our bed. Hopefully she'll have grown out of it by then though! Great that Ellen is sleeping better :) MsBug interesting and good to know that your DD just grew out of it on her own. Here's hoping! She is tired when she goes to bed but yes probably worse when she's had a long lunchtime nap...

Juniper sorry to hear you've all been poorly :( Hope you're on the mend.

Just been for my scan - all well and I'm measuring a week ahead than I thought so actually 13 weeks. I look pretty pregnant and it's been difficult to hide it from people so glad I can tell folk now! Have to dig my maternity gear out. Also I swear I've felt flutters but surely it's too early to feel baby?

Feeling much better today Tugs, thanks. I just went back and checked. I was 15 weeks when I felt flutters with Dan who is #2 but a couple of people were a bit earlier on the antenatal thread. I don't think 13 weeks is out of the realms of possibility.

Dan has started saying "Wah! Wah! Waaahh!!" comedy-style when he drops something (like the bowl of hummus in his lap just now).

tugs I definitely felt flutters around 12/13 weeks with Ivy. I think you notice earlier with 2nd babies (and later ones). Good news about the scan

juniper hope you're all feeling better.

Hey all

Have missed you. Have caught up with the thread. So good to read your news, though sorry about any bad news.

I have accepted an offer on our house... so fingers crossed all will go ok xx

Welcome back salt, how are you doing?

Great news on the house!

Hi Salt! Was thinking about you the other day, good to see you back and congrats on the house! Where are you moving to?

We will move back to birmingham to be near family. I am pretty shit really .. but trying to keep on x

salt good to hear from you. Good news on the house and you will be near me :)

Mad toddler tantrums here. Everything sets her off. I had forgotten just how much hard work it takes. Took her swimming for the first time yesterday and she cries about geting changed and refused to go in and then after I had managed to get her in she really loved it and refused to get back out!

Today she kicked off when I tried to het her back in the pushchair at school pickup. I was stuck in the playground trying to stuff her in as she yelled and went stiff so I couldn't. .dss just left me to it and took themselves home! There must be some kind of developmental leap going on ..right??!

I really hope so apples the whinging we've had over the last few days is getting ridiculous. I've been putting it down to molars coming through as he has been making a meal of it and needing nurofen most nights but a developmental leap could be in there as well. He has new words every day certainly. He just sits himself down wherever he is and cries. I usually tickle him to break the mood.

Salt great to see you, glad the house sale is ok. How is your LO?

Hey salt good to hear from you, have you found a house to move to? It will be good that your closer to your family for some support

Apple I hate when they make themselves all stiff so you can't get them in the buggy or car seat, they have so much strength for such little people

DD is currently full of a cold and cough, it's gone into her chest now and she's working a bit too hard with her breathing she's currently trying to sleep but this cough keeps waking her

I'm going away next weekend, on my friends hen party, they've rented a luxury house Friday-Sunday, pool, jacuzzi the lot, I should be counting down the days but I'm getting so anxious about leaving the children, especially since DD is poorly, which will no doubt be passed to DS, who will no doubt end up in hospital

Salt brums only half hr from me so we can meet up :-D

Looking forward to some meet ups when i am in the midlands x

Salt lovely to hear from you. Hope the house move goes well.

Apple I think I have the "going stiff" thing cracked - DS' buggy reclines fully so I just put it right back so it's flat, strap him in, then sit him up again

DS has got a really bizarre repetoire of words, including scissors, see-saw, sheep, shoes, and again, yet still no mummy or daddy. He does, however, call both of the dogs by their respective names.

Had a good clear out of toys yesterday - getting ready for the onslaught of Christmas and birthday! Unfortunately I made the fatal error of trying to sort out whilst DS was still awake. Stupid. Very Stupid.

Cupcakes that buggy trick is genius!!