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The 8th Broadly Gemini Bus- The one where the babies refuse to sleep!

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bringonthetrumpets · 05/02/2014 22:46

Numero 8!

Hoping for some actual sleep tonight!

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peardrop2 · 17/03/2014 06:47

Argh the monkey has fallen asleep on me Hmm he's the biggest monkey koala ever!!

bringonthetrumpets · 17/03/2014 13:56

It was hard to not freak out on her. But, we've got enough family problems on my side (ie, my mom) and she's been going through a lot. I'm the only family member that she's close with and I really don't want to damage that relationship. We talked about it and she apologised about a million times and admitted it sounded like a much better idea at the time and that she felt horrible after she got home and got everyone back in bed. The boys are used to having random bedtimes sometimes so I think they were just confused. She also bribed them with brownies Hmm

DS1 still has "kitty" which is a Jellycat snow leopard from when he was about M's age. He is the only one who was really "attached" to anything. We had just moved back to the states when he was 9 months old, I was living with my parents, DH was still in the UK, and we had just stopped bf'ing. I think all the transitions made him feel like he needed something. DS2 was a thumb-sucker and still has his blanket those were his self-soothers, but he's not as attached to the blanket at 4 as much as DS1 is still attached to his kitty at aged 5.5! We've got a blanket in M's cot that she snuggles with and when I pick her up at night to nurse, I take the blanket with me. DH also holds the blanket with her when he feeds her. So we're hoping that it's becoming part of her understanding of what helps her feel better.

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peardrop2 · 17/03/2014 18:46

Bring ~ so it sounds like pot luck whether they attach to something or not then! I try handing bpear muslins or a soft do do Raggy things and he just looks at me and throws it on the floor. I should take it as a compliment really lol.

4th tooth is now half way down but OMG is it causing trouble or what!!! Bpear has been his grumpiest yet. I found him trying to sleep on the rug after his morning nap. He's been in the worst mood and squeaking all day. DH is at work and I'm having a large glass of vino come 7pm!!!! One of those days Blush

peardrop2 · 17/03/2014 18:48

Frus ~ Hahhah Smile yes I think a la boob is the doo doo! That's probably why bpear gives me the "are you joking look" every time I try and get him to cuddle something Grin

peardrop2 · 17/03/2014 19:16

Happy St Patricks day Lor! Have you dressed your LO in green today? Grin

Lorelei353 · 17/03/2014 19:52

I sure did! He wore his Ireland rugby shirt again today. Shamrock Grin

bringonthetrumpets · 18/03/2014 01:51

I completely forgot today was St. Patrick's Day. I got a tattoo on my ankle on this day 9 years ago. couldn't find anything else significant pertaining to this day

M only had one one-hour nap today so I'm hopeful that means she's gearing up to sleep tonight. DH is falling asleep on the couch and I'm going to sleep in the guest bed tonight to get away from the snoring. Actually looking forward to it too! Grin

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peardrop2 · 18/03/2014 17:34

Better sleep last night bring?

peardrop2 · 18/03/2014 21:17

I've been looking online for entertaining ideas for bpear. Tomorrow I'm going to try... 1) Throwing balls into saucepans 2) sorting balls in a muffin tray 3) masking tape toys to the floor and let him peel them off 4) the bubble gun

If anyone wants to add to my crazy list please do Wink

peardrop2 · 18/03/2014 21:45

Minor flaw...I don't own a deep muffin tray Hmm

peardrop2 · 18/03/2014 21:46

I've found individual muffin moulds though...see if that works!!

bringonthetrumpets · 18/03/2014 22:04

NO. She was up 3x last night.

We went in for a well baby check and the doc actually had the audacity to tell me that bf'ing babies at night gives them cavities when their teeth come in. Hmm She told me to wean her at night and not give her anything but water. Hmm Hmm Yeah. Ok. I'm sure that'll work just great and she'll sleep even better. Hmm Hmm Hmm So.... we going to take that advice and throw it out the window and continue with everything that I've been doing for the past 5.5 years with all my kids.

M likes the muffin tray game too Grin

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AGnu · 19/03/2014 00:24

I've not had much success with muffin trays. Calf just flings the balls and trays everywhere! I'll have to try it with Runt while Calf is asleep sometime! Bubbles are good though. They both love bubbles! Runt's not really at the stage where he can do much yet. He's just learning to crawl. It's really ineffective & looks like a crocodile but he can slowly propel himself forwards now! He even comes when I call, hold out my hands & wait 5 minutes for him to gracefully flollop the foot or so it takes for him to reach my hand! Grin Calf still doesn't come when I call! Hmm

On a hot day, a bit of water in a tray can be good. Calf's recently discovered that DH sometimes leaves Runt's water within his reach so he'll 'helpfully' put it on his tray for him. This inevitably results in the open top beaker toppling & water flooding Runt's highchair tray. He loves splashing in it & grizzles at me when I clear it up! Or, if you're feeling brave & have plenty of wipeable surfaces, you could introduce gloop! I love it. Calf hates anything on his hands that doesn't spontaneously disappear when he starts flapping. I've not braved it with Runt yet but I'm really hoping he likes it so I have an excuse to play! Grin Or playdough, well supervised to avoid too much being eaten! You can add all sorts of things to home made playdough - spices, glitter, essential oils... It's a wonderful sensory experience for them!

Oh, Runt's favourite thing to do at the moment is to flollop over to one of Calf's toys which he shouldn't have & bash it against another of Calf's toys ditto to make as much noise as possible! Wooden spoon & saucepan lids?

Runt is ill & I'm getting his cold too. He's been miserable for 2 days forever! He's sleeping at lunchtime & then moaning all afternoon if I dare to extract myself from underneath him for even a millisecond. Calf's not helping either. He's spontaneously decided to go completely bonkers! He's literally bouncing off the walls. He's just learnt to spin to make himself dizzy & attempted to do it on the way into the dining room. He's not a fan of doorposts now! He just seems utterly out of control & we have no idea how to deal with it! He laughs when we say no, finds time-outs upsetting for the briefest of moments & then laughs at us until we get sufficiently frustrated with him to put him in his room with no toys. He jumps on the bed while shrieking & giggling. Hmm Absolutely no idea how to deal with it, or the hitting which has just started too! Hopefully it's just a phase & if we're firm & consistent then he'll get the message... right?! Confused

Thanks for the support the other day. It means a lot to me to know I have you guys to run to! Grin Flowers

AGnu · 19/03/2014 00:28

Oh, yes bring she'll have rotten teeth forever & have numerous health complications & be laughed at at school if you follow the WHO's guidelines. They've only set the guidelines like that to trick you into damaging your child who'll need lots of medical attention, which means big bills thus stimulating the economy & lining the pockets of the Drs & dentists. How could you be so cruel to your poor child?! Wink

bringonthetrumpets · 19/03/2014 01:35

Well jeeze, I'd love to be able to wean her at night so that I could just get some freaking SLEEP... but come on. Don't tell me that I have to because of some stupid old-school belief. I came home and researched (like actual research articles) and of course, it's complete BS.

Hate to break it to ya angu 2/3 year olds are just kind of like drunk assholes. They're impossible to reason with!

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peardrop2 · 19/03/2014 02:09

I'm trying to wean bpear Blush He's been waking up at 1:30/2am ever since he was ill. I know he can last until 5:30 as he's done it so many times now. I think you just have to do what you feel is right for your lo really. I feel that sleep would more beneficial to us both but it is hard to wean. Very hard Hmm

Lorelei353 · 19/03/2014 02:12

How are you doing it pear?

peardrop2 · 19/03/2014 02:18

I let him moan for 15 minutes and then when he elevated to high pitch cry I've kicked DH out of bed to give him a cuddle Hmm DH does not get that he needs reassurance of some sort! He will likely cry again when DH puts him down again though so I'm not sure how this plan will go Sad

peardrop2 · 19/03/2014 02:23

Bring ~ I'm not sure I believe that bf in the night causes rotten teeth though! I do believe it creates a habit. If I attempted water bpear would have a meltdown so I'm not even going to go there! However, if you were giving bottles in the night and leaving them to it...now that would surely cause teeth problems?!! I know so many parents who do that!!

peardrop2 · 19/03/2014 02:31

Oh dear. As suspected DH put him down and the tears began again. He's picked him up Hmm Oh FFS. DH came back to me and said "I've got a dilemma, he's got a full nappy" Hmm Seriously?!?! Why would the man just not change the nappy without hesitation? The cheeky sod even asked whether I changed it before putting him to bed. Yes of coarse I changed him nappy. Crazy man!!

Well this is going well Wink DH is going to go bananas at me when he gets into bed Sad Why do the men think it's our sole responsibility to do night duty Angry

peardrop2 · 19/03/2014 03:12

Everyone's asleep in my house bar me Shock

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peardrop2 · 19/03/2014 13:48

Frus ~ how do you survive if DS is always attached? I couldn't physically do that.

bringonthetrumpets · 19/03/2014 14:31

Yeah. It's really frustrating that this doctor is telling mums this! I'm going to print out the studies and mail them to her to read. I know not all mums have a background in research nor are they well-versed in bf'ing and infants so when the doctor tells them something, they take it as fact. I would hate for mums to feel like they have to wean their babies at night (when the most beneficial milk is made!) which, in turn, can be detrimental to their extended breastfeeding relationship with their babies. I hope she will at least read the studies and change what she is telling mums. You're absolutely right, pear The studies mentioned that babies who had breastmilk in bottles DID in fact, have higher chances of cavities. Babies that receive the milk from the actual breast at night, did not have those same rates. It's where the milk sits in the mouth and with bottles, it is able to pool around the teeth, where coming from the breast- the milk is delivered behind the teeth.

Not sure if it was a fluke or what, but last night we gave M some whizzed up beef stew mixed with some of the Ella's Organics puree. Normally she just does baby-led weaning but we thought we'd see what happens and she ate ALL OF IT and slept ALL NIGHT! You'd best be sure we'll be doing this again tonight!

And... it snowed 3 inches last night. Poo on March. stupid month, ready for April

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