November 2012 - The run up to our babies' first 'proper' Christmas

[StuntNun]

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Nope, no floorboards, although I will check in the gaps of the wooden staircase. Wee bugger, I've literally ripped the lounge apart

I would kill for a 5 hour chunk of sleep

Maybe a kitchen drawer? Or in your bag? Fingers crossed the jags knock her out a wee bit and you get tonnes of sleep.

Right I'm going to name change back as the android app isn't recognising me on my tablet.

WTF NC back and it likes me again....

Pull the drawers out and look underneath. That is where I discovered my work phone. about a year after I has to ask for a new one because DS1 had been playing with it and it has disappeared into thin air

Cold / conjunctivitisis / teething can you twat right off? Please? The wake ups are pissing me off. Once she goes it'll be til 5 or 6 but ffs go the fuck to sleep darling beautiful very loved baby. And DD1 can follow suit. Goddamit.

wellies your whingeing explanation was what I was clumsily trying to say to Isles the other night. They're whingeing and being a pita because they CAN. doesn't stop it being a pita though

lydie there is a free mn app for iphone. I hate it, but others swear by it.

I swear by everything else. 90min on phone with mil today. I am feeling VERY SWEARY INDEED.

I have nothing to offer but and

He woke, so i slung him, did some jobs and pottered into town got a knitted dress with fairisle reindeer pattern on for a tenner. He's been cheery enough but we've already had a wake - but that could well be down to dp messing up his nappy; the booster was over the fleece so as soon as he peed he'd have felt wet, which wakes him. I changed him because the ritual resettles him and he went back down happily enough - fx that's it for the night

My teenagers made me exceptionally proud tonight, singing and playing Christmas songs to local housebound elderly people who had been brought by taxi (donated) to a local social club, given (donated) fish and chips, bought a few drinkies (paid for by fundraising) and given (donated) presents by Santa. There's waaaaaay too much media focus on the handful of naughty ones, nearly all of which ime haven't had the right example set at home. Nor have the parents though, so it's a bit of a cycle

I even got up on stage and played

Chasing the point I tried and possibly failed to make earlier, was to not believe everything xp tells you. He may well gloss over the finer points to make you feel shit really good about yourself

I wish illness would just do one, quichewide.

Sounds lovely pidj

pidj that sounds brilliant. Having been a teenager myself, and having known lots of teens while being a teen iykwim I think teens are given a bad press. Something for Fail readers to whine about when gypsies and furriners don't fit the bill.

And pig makes an excellent point re xp chasing

And before I go the fuck to sleep. kyz I LOVE your posts.

Ooh gypsies was not pc. Was saying that from a mail reader pov so being ironic.

J didn't have any reaction to his MMR so it isn't compulsory. He must be 'ard as nails.

I don't agree with YW about controlled crying teaching LOs that no-one is coming to them. I have used it with all three of mine when they were at an appropriate stage of development to teach them how to fall asleep on their own within a structure of responding to their cries. J has learned that his cot is a safe and pleasant place to be and goes into it happily at bedtime. He self-settles more readily at night as well although his sleep is still really shit. I had a multi-stage plan for improving his sleep that has taken in other areas such as daytime naps, play time and meals/breastfeeds so, for me, controlled crying was part of a bigger picture.

Aww so lovely pidj

Stunt I am tackling it similarly to you. I have spent the past 3.5hrs sat outside her room with the video monitor. She is not crying, she is shouting. And it only just dawned on me that going in only makes her more angry. So she spent 3.5 hours shouting at me through the door. BUT she cracked before me, and she is now soundly asleep.

I have been on the case with this since Saturday and each night the time is getting less and less. I am only going in if she gets hysterical, although frankly, seeing me and then having me leave again is only making her worse. So I'll deal with her gurgling abuse.

I hate it but I see it now through practical eyes that I am being cruel to be kind. HV agreed today: 5hr+ bedtimes and multiple (like 10 on a normal night) wake ups is taking the piss and none of the other methods I have tried so far have worked.

I came on to say something but my mind has gone blank Bedtime for me.

Oh and credit card STILL missing in action

I so hoped that by this point, ie. 13+ months into things, we wouldn't be having the CC debate, as I thought the babies would be sleeping . How wrong could I have been???

Whatever works, I guess. I used the softies version of CC, where I went back in after 1, 2, 3 minutes, by which point she would be asleep. Different babies, different approach.

I too am going the fuck to sleep.

Ha. 3.5 hours - that trumps my 3 minutes . I would be a broken laydee by then isles - respeck, missus

Isles i did that. My controlled crying wasn't controlled crying it was controlled shouting. Crying gets a response from me (see earlier nap post) because it means something - nappy, thirst, teeth normally - is wrong. Shouting means "I'm pissed off at being awake". Cry It Out is the one i wouldn't touch with someone else's. That's where you just ignore them for hours until they give up

If R isn't going back to sleep (rolling around shouting) i leave. If he is trying (lying down quietlyish and grabbing for my hand) he gets my finger to hold, which takes 5-10 minutes. I also put Ewan on every single time; if he's just going in to play (while i get dressed normally) he gets the big light and mobile and i don't lie him down. If he sounds hysterical i try to fix what's wrong - nappy, calpol, drink in the night; give up and sling him in the day, he's a rubbish napper just like dp and i apparently were!

Sorry yes Pidj you're quite right CIO is the one I meant there - sorry all! Isles I do hope it works and jags don't derail things. I'd be utterly broken and it just can't be safe you driving so many miles on so little sleep. FC for you.

Oh dear. On night bus back from works Xmas do, much later than planned. First night I have stayed out late & had a few drinks in a good couple of years! DH has a meeting first thing so no lie in...

Woo hoo Jj. Nightbus home! Your living he dream. Not so great about lie in. Hope kids sleep until later the normal.