November 2012 - The birthdays are coming thick and fast

[StuntedFrankenNun]

Previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/postnatal_clubs/1884788-November-2012-Babies-going-trick-or-treating

Happy belated birthday for Sophias O yesterday and YW too - you definitely don't look 35!! Also to wellies A, I'm not sure if you just read FB or catch up on here too? of the dairy free and not so dairy free variety!

Hope E has a fabulous party today kyz.

I still find it crazy that we are celebrating our babies 1st birthdays. Weird. and :( too! But :) for the amazing little people we have created!

I've just had to stop mid post to go up to a screaming hysterically O. He's not well, persistent high temp despite meds for the last 3 days. Heavy breathing, drooling and a bit of snot (although his chest sounds like he should have a shit tonne more of snot appearing). I don't think he needs to be seen by a doctor, but I want him seen just to be told I am being paranoid and he's got a virus/cold and nothing is wrong. I am sure there is nothing wrong, but this is the worst he has ever been. So I am worrying. And DS1 was barely ever ill. Which doesn't help! I dunno whether to take him to out of hours. Seems daft, so I probably won't unless the temp hasn't settled by monday (day 5).

Anyway, O was having a hysterics mid nap, he's been asleep almost an hour, but was clearly still knackered. I shushed and rocked him but he just carried on screaming, he didn't want to be put down, but didn't seem to want cuddles. As soon as I put some ibprofen in his gob, he shut the fuck up, sucked his cloth and pointed at the cot . So I put him down, where he promptly went back to sleep.

So he just wanted medicine? REALLY?!

Strange kid!

Oh, QQ, NHS advice stuff on high temps said not to give paracetomol and ibuprofen at the same time, as in you can't do this - which goes against my previous knowledge that it is absolutely fine to give together if you wish. I don't give them usually, as if giving for a high temp or teething I like to alternate them where possible so he can have more regular meds. Anyone know the reason why you can't give them together for children? It's certainly not something I've come across before.

Hope you had a great day yesterday yw how lovely for O to share a birthday with lovely old you!

What happened last night gt?

Have a great day today kyz

O was so pleased with his day yesterday, when DH went to take him to bed he had a big happy face.

I am going to do a never before attempted thing. Both boys are snot rags so I am keeping them in cosy by the fire today. O is asleep, DS1 is watching the old Disney Robin Hood. DH has been playing with his wind turbine so when he comes in I am going to ask him if he minds if I go for a walk on the beach for an hour. On my own. I just really want some fresh air.

Same time as in really the same time? Risk of OD? Not being able to keep track? Giving more than is necessary for the amount of pain there is? I leave a couple of hours between each if I need to use both NHS Guidelines tend to be quite cautious as there are a hell of a lot of very very stupid people out there and I include a lot of otherwise very intelligent people I know who think they can fuck around with medication, especially if it is OTC.

sophia that sounds lovely. My absolute favourite thing to do is go for long walks on my own with the dog it's such a nice opportunity to think, clear your head. Especially when it is cold.

Together as in at the same time. I usually give alternating 3 hours during the day, which leaves a dose of each for over night if necessary.

Weird.

I don't ever really use both at same time either I tend to alternate.

vq is normally good at knowing reasons for this stuff.

Ooo. I have cut up the cake to share..... here you are, all wrapped up in 1 serviettes. Xx

It's not something I would do but I am weird about meds. May well be harmless but NHS online advice does err on the side of caution. When I broke my back I was on three types of pain killers and one muscle relaxant (for some reason nsaids didn't affect me back then) which was, altogether, vvv strong but made me feel much better.

Oh my word. He's hysterical again. Am now giving a bottle to the sweaty screamy little mess .

I'm out of ideas!

His friend screamed non stop for 30 hours. I think I has the same bug so I guess I will expect lots of screaming :(

Detective take him to OOH. Get him looked at just to be sure. It could be on his chest, or an ear infection or something. If temp is still there for three days he needs to be looked at. Big big hugs x the brufen would have coated his sore throat sufficiently for him to settle I would think.

Usually it is not necessary to give both meds at the same time. There have been occasions when the temp has been so high that I have given brufen after PCM has done fuck all for 30 mins, but I would not funnel both in at the exact time. You can only give PCM four times in any 24 hour period, and brufen 3 times, so if you give both at once you have less doses for later, plus run the risk of making the poor little scrap vomit. I tend to alternate them every three hours to ensure the pain and temp is kept on top of, but only if fever is over 38 and there is obvious distress and pain.

Views on fever have changed from what I have read. Fever is good as it is the body fighting the infection, and some folk reckon that no temp needs medicating. I try to balance the discomfort, need for sleep, need for avoiding vomiting etc. My older kids vomit when they are very hot.

The doses on OTC meds are kept lower than what you can actually give safely for the reason that there are a lot of idiots who will give PCM every 4 hours, therefore giving too much. In hospital for example, they will often give twice the dose we would, but they are closely monitored. Allegedly.

I am not a doctor obviously.

Thanks VQ I think you are right.

I'm now worried as he is lethargic.

I read up about temps in babies and did the nhs direct symptom checker yesterday all of which concluded he didn't need to be seen.

But he has just woke hysterically again, I gave him a bottle, and he calmed, but wouldn't stay in the cot (he seemed sleepy still). So I put him on my chest, and he lay there quiet as a mouse, and has fallen back to sleep. Totally not usual behaviour for him in any way at all.

He isn't hot right now either, he feels cold to touch and clammy. Though his temp shouldn't be up as he's had ibuprofen which is the only one to work to bring it back down and make him comfortable. Paracetamol isn't doing much.

When I broke my back I was told by the back doctor that I could safely go up to 6g of paracetamol a day over a short period so up to 4/5 days. I think the usual recommendation for an adult is 3-4g max. So I think you are right vq otc doses are probably lower. I remember the prescriptiopn I left hospital with was flagged up at the pharmacy as being risky, they had to call the Dr to confirm he actually meant to prescribe as much and varied painkillers.

I tend to stick religiously to prescription guidelines (or under if painkillers) though after DD1 I had half as many nsaids as was prescribed and still got ill I wish so much I could understand that episode.

Get him seen Detective my dear. I do hope all is well. Oscar being lethargic is just not right.

With meds I will often give just half a dose initially as often that works, especially with teething. It can sometimes bring a temp down too. I hate it when I hear of parents giving sedatives to kids just for peace and quiet. Even meds that are 'ok' to give. It is such a risk. In my work I have dealt with parents who have given their small babies Valium so they could get a good night sleep themselves. Utterly dreadful. I understand the temptation when things get pretty unbearable, but even so I could never do it.

Had a big row with my mum this morning. She said I should go to work and let her look after J. I saw red. She was only trying to be helpful, but I will not be told by anybody that my job is more important than my sick child. I would not even take that from DH. Obviously if I felt he would be ok with someone else then fine. But it has to be my decision. I know him best.

Valium? FFS.
And do sedatives for babies and toddlers exist? My mil says dd1 needs one but I thought she was talking out of her arse as usual . I can't imagine the look on my paed's face if I asked her for sedatives for the kids. She even told me off for giving LO paracetamol once when there was no fever and I thought shewas screaming in pain. Her ear drum perforated the next night so she did take back the bollocking as the poor love must have been in such pain. Which is a trust your instinct thing I guess as outwardly there was no sign of anything being wrong with her ears.

GT you are doing really well with the feeding. Take it one feed at a time, and accept any help going. It will not be long before your two little boys are rolling around together being the best of friends and you will see that the small age gap is a really good thing. Seeing DD2 and J playing together is just wonderful. There is 2.5 years between them, but DD2 is just so good at pretending to be a baby too.

J keeps singing the (vague but recognisable) tune of Baa Baa (insert PC word of choice here) sheep. He has a lovely little singing voice.

Cross post, yes, you know what is best. It was a nice thing to offer but as you said somewhere you have to look out for their health too re gastro bugs. My GP had a random rant yesterday while we were chatting about how many people she was seeing with gastro bugs atm. And how many patients with other things were back a few days later with a gastro bug from having waited in the waiting room and caught it there. Made me promise never to take the girls in with d&v unless it was a real hydration emergency in which case to take them to hospital as she wouldn't be able to do anything about it. And gave me a leaflet about gastro bugs :o I hadn't even mentioned bugs she was just offloading it was quite funny.

Phenergan is what Madeline and her siblings were given by their doctor parents if I recall correctly. Antihistamines work as sedatives for most kids. Yes, Valium. Very sad. Methadone too. And Heroin.

This morning in the park LO got grumpy and started shouting. DD1 kept stopping in front of the pram and trying to tuck her up better - she was convinced she was too cold. It was really sweet, she finished each episode with a kiss on her forehead and a 'there there' imitating my tone of voice exactly.

The pic of them on FB looked adorable. Blissful. Knowing DD1 as we do from your tales I was wondering if it was not quite so, but that sounds lovely :-)

Hmm, no comment on that particular case. Must admit i was sorely tempted to give dd1 a dose of LO's antihistamines the other day :o but other than leaving LO a bit stoned for a while they certainly don't help her sleep.

at meth and heroin, but I guess the people taking them would have a pretty warped idea of how to do anything correctly, which isn't necessarily their fault if you go along with the addiction is an illness thing. V sad.

DD2 was trying to pull Js head off last night at one point. It was hard not to laugh.

She shows amazing moments of love for her little sister, interspersed with larger moments of pushing her around and hitting her and generally being a bit of a bully. Doesn't know her own strength she would be mortified I think hope if she actually hurt her.

Illicit drug use does affect parental capacity somewhat. And some people are just plain daft.

We are at our most violent at the age of two.