November 2012 - The first fearless steps and the rest of us hoping our babies remain stationary for a bit longer

[StuntNun]

Previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/postnatal_clubs/1833979-November-2012-Teeth-Dont-talk-to-us-about-teeth

I take it back, M is taking great delight in spitting muesli at me

MM maybe he's played the 'terminal illness' card with them before and they didn't believe him? If he cried wolf again to you I bet you'd react differently? Shite of them to ignore M in that time though.

The mental image of your brekkie table is fab .

Have been telling J off for pulling cables and he just finds me hilarious .

Yeah I suppose it is very possible. I am just incredibly pissed off that they cannot even text to ask how M is. Their loss.

M has just fed me some toast. She is finding it hilarious; feeding me a piece and then making mummy cross feeding the dog a bit. I had forgotten how much I love my mornings with her!

It's their loss - she's an amazing wee lass, I can understand how gutted you must feel - we want everyone to love and be kind to our babies and its horrible for anyone to be so mean to someone so little and innocent - but much worse if that unkindness comes from alleged 'loved ones'. Tossers. No wonder P turned out as he did with that family!

I need to get James' sleep sorted. He was bad last night. Actual screaming crying and not at all happy. I don't want to be cosleeping, it doesn't work for me.

I have went onto the site that you recommended stunt and can see a few things we are doing 'wrongly'. Firstly we have no bedtime routine, none at all. We tired a long time ago but as he never goes to sleep at the same time and isn't consistent we gave up. He also never goes into the cot awake, never ever ever! This seems to be the big issue. I'm willing to try some kind of sleep training but I'm not sure that leaving him to CIO for up to an hour is a good idea?

Anyone know what else I can do? On that site there appears to be two options. The just leave them to cry and the short settling version? Argh!

I'd really love for his sleeping to be better by my op time as I am not allowed to lift him for 3 months. Dh will be working full time and would need to do all the lifting outta the cot and calming etc which just now can be almost every hour or so if he does actually stay in the cot!

Feeling very tearful today. Had a mini meltdown before I left for work. I told DP I'm physically and mentally exhausted and can't do this anymore. I cried and C leaned over and gave me a kiss! I will get myself to the doctors if it continues but there is only one GP at my surgery I would want to see about it and he's very popular so has a 2-3 week waiting period before you can get an appointment. I saw him when I had depression before and he was so lovely and understanding. I guess this is a build up of pressure that's been building for a long time but I feel like all of a sudden it has hit me like a tidal wave and I'm drowning fast.

Sorry for the me, me, me post.

Oh izzy bless you . CIO would never have worked with F as she "cries up" as do some of the other quiche babies. When we were training F, we started out with sleeping on a mattress on her floor - me and her together. Once she was used to being in her room, then we transferred her into her cot once asleep, then put her into her cot asleep. Now perhaps 50% of the time she's awake when we put her in her cot - it can take 40+ mins of patting and shushing, and is harder now she's determined to be upright. But a good bedtime routine sounds like a grand place to start. I try to make a point also, if F won't settle when she should, of only staying in her room, in the dark, and not smiling at her often this fails so she doesn't get a "reward" for staying awake, iyswim.

Am off work for the foreseeable, off to the GP this evening to see when they say I can go back. "Dr Tony" - sounds like a mafia lord lol. F is currently at nursery showing off her new skillz so am in a CHILDFREE house! Not sure what to do lol!

Izzy I had the same issue with L and bedtime routines as he is so inconsistent and I thought it was impossible, but it did help. We now start every night at 7pm - bath, cuddle & pjs, ewan, story, milk, bed while still awake, sit with him until he goes to sleep. Sometimes (maybe twice!) he is asleep as soon as he's in the cot, other times it takes up to an hour. On average I'd say about 20mins. He usually tries to get up a few times and I just let him crawl around the cot & burn off that last energy spurt. Every now and again I'll lie him down again. If he gets upset I pick him up, hold him, put him down. Lots of shshshshing but no chat. It can get frustrating but we always get there in the end. It's not a magic solution but I think it would be worth setting in place before you try sleep training so J starts to understand that it's bedtime. L still wakes most nights but usually for much shorter times unless there is a reason. I don't know if that helps at all but I thought I'd share it in case it does.

Apologies for the multiple lols Not sure what came over me, sound like a bloody teenager.

Oh apple - big big hugs xxx Is it worth making an appointment with the great GP and if need be cancelling it if this is a very short term wobble? I am not wording this well, but defs make an appointment. And treat yourself to a big slice of cake at lunchtime today. xxx

I have just had a shower with M. We have a shower together then I leave her lying on her mat on the floor wrapped up in a big fluffy towel while I wash my hair. We have done this every morning that P has been at work since she was tiny. Except she is now a lot more tricksy than she was 3 months ago. So imagine my horror when I heard manic, muffled giggling and popped my head round the shower curtain to see a naked baby, wearing the bathroom bin as a hat, attempting to climb the towel radiator !!! I think that marks the end or our shower routine.

I should probably add that I had emptied and disinfected the bathroom bin just before we got in the shower, in a quick attempt to make the bathroom seem clean

Ha! Yes MM something similar happens in our house now. F has a hooded towel, and she wore it akin to a cape and went scrambling for the door after yesterdays bath. She then proceeded to do a poo on the carpet before continuing her explorations. Seems like only yesterday she used to lie there in her birthday suit kicking and cooing and, most importantly, not escaping...

Mr Cat won't deign to drink out of a water bowl - only glasses - so he has his own glass of water next to his food bowl. Well he did until J smashed it this morning - whilst I was on the loo. He was giggling surrounded by shards of glass Jeez that could have been horrific. Now no ones allowed to tell SS if I put him in the puppy pen whilst I have a wee!

Det places like Clinton cards have those boxes. But not sure how much ££.

Apple - hugs.

Feeling exhausted. Just ate a plate full of sausages and bacon. Now feel like I can't move. Lucky lo is asleep.

I may also nap. Hmmm I need to finish baby blanket tho. And book Xmas grotto!

mm I understand what it is like to have ILs who don't take enough interest in our children. Mine have not come back since LO was a week old (ok they left on quite bad terms so not surprising); they never phone; never thank me for photos i send. DH calls them and we skype sometimes but they are retired, in good health, have a daughter who lives part way between us so a place to stop overnight on the way but have not even suggested coming once. They did suggest I send the DC there for a month, but we weren't invited The only direct contact with me other than comments on FB photos was once a message by FB to say please remove this picture of MIL which has been on there for several years because she suddenly doesn' like it, by the way LO has a squint (she doesn't)

As there is no space in our new house for the whole family over xmas (phew) I have suggested to DH that we rent them a gite over the xmas week so we can spend it together. He doesn't want to. His son doesn't want to come either. His DM kicked his DGM out while she was staying with them a few weeks ago - no reason - a few days before her 90th which she was due to spend with them. She cried on the phone to us at the weekend :(

And his sister has been in touch once in the last year, on DH's birthday. I thinkDD1 doesn.t really know they exist. It is sad. Anyway, rambling.

I have been to the GP this morning and have been signed off for another week. Nto sure what to do about next week now. I was so distracted I forgot to ask about a couple of actual health issues which have been bugging me. Will try and see the other GP on Saturday or Monday evening next week.

Yw DD1 broke a glass salad bowl last week while I was on the loo. I thought I had cleaned it up but found a tiny shard in the playpen at the weekend which was on the other side of the room.

Sorry about your sheep disease pig - it was sheep wasn't it a few years ago? I hope you feel better soon.

izzy is there any way you can postpone your surgery until LO is walking and a little more independent or is it too urgent? I ask because even at 19 months DD1 still needed lifting occasionally, into her car seat for example, and the c section made that difficult.

apple I hope you feel better soon. I agree that you should take an appointment for asap and get yourself seen by a gp you trust rather than just any gp unless it is urgent.

yw it was bumpy! And the landing was wobbly. And the drive back through the mountains was hairy!

I was so glad to be home, and so glad to be living wherei am. I took the boys out for a windy walk in the afternoon and then last night after dinner with the last of the light I sat on the back step in the wind and a hot chocolate and smelt the fresh air. My bench when I get one will be used all year round!

We had a dedication for the boys ( and girls) I am a Christian but I want my children to grow up with their own mind and if that is what they want I want them to understand what promises they are making. So I say I will bring them up that way and then they will decide what they want when they have all the information to make the choice.

My nan and her siblings were all secretly Christened by one well meaning relative or neighbour. As a result they were all Christened in different churches from Presbyterian to Catholic.

Feel the need to go to Sainsburys pass . Any grown up clothes with owls on?

Bumpy, wobbly and hairy you say Sophia? For a moment I thought you were describing me.

LOhad a good morning at nursery. Ate OK, played well, slept an hour on cushions on the floor, not in her bed, and wasn't crying or tearsstained when I arrived. Another four hours tomorrow then five, six and seven the rest of the week :)

DD1 dreamed of nursery yesterday. In her sleep she started saying 'au revoir la creche, au revoir'

Was very sweet.

Wonder what LO dreams of.

My nephew who's 4 told me about a dream he had of having a snowball fight with foxes. I thought that was an AWESOME dream .

That's a v cool dream indeed YW. I love the way their minds work, such vivid imaginations.

So I am sat on the sofa, have had some toast and chocolate and a drink, tv is on....BUT it all feels wrong as I should have a wee baby bfing to sleep, no?? Waaaah! This is the first afternoon I have had off work without my little bubba and it is strange, v v strange.

It's strange isn't it pig . Don't worry, you will get used to it :) How long will you be off for?

Snowball fight with foxes sounds very cool :)

I have some really weird dreams at the moment with the sleeping pills. I kind of enjoy them, even though some are quite scary. I love it when you half wake up and then manage to get back into the same dream iyswim. Every morning I think I should write them down but I never do damn children :o

I am SO glad your babies are getting up to mischief. Not that I wish it on anyone... nope. Not even one bit. Honest.

O had great fun in the hall this afternoon. It is laminate. He spend an age ignoring the stairs (!!!!!!) in favour of bouncing and chasing 2 small plastic balls from one of his toys and the rings from his stacking ring. They make a fabulous noise dontcha know . It kept him so entertained I almost wish I had laminate in the living room. Almost...!

He is asleep now :( I've missed him. What the hell did I do with my life before he came along?! Fuck knows. I can't wait to go on maternity leave again... I hate working.

I know det - I must have been a right lazy bones! It's only the fact that nursery costs a fortune and F loves it that is keeping me from going and collecting her. I spent the morning sorting out her old clothes - I can't believe how small she once was!? How is the work situtation now? And dare I even ask what state El Fanjo is in?

Ginge I have a doctors appt at 5.30, so shall ask him how long. Few days I'm guessing.

El fanjo is on fire! Not in a good way.

However, it isn't as bad as it was last week. So I shall see what this week brings. I am on full days next week, but 3 days, 4 the week after.

I held a newborn today. It was VERY odd. Even though I am used to working with newborns. Guess it just feels weird going from squidging my baby goodbye this morning, to burping a tiny one again!

I have FB'D re: work!