March 2013 - still too sleep deprived to think of a funky title

[StormyBrid]

Old thread here.

We seemed to be running out of space (again) so I made us a new thread.

stormy DD has seen my parents 1-2 a week since birth too but has not made a difference to 'stranger' anxiety. She is obviously not held by strangers much - but anxiety extends to all friends and family we see regularly. Basically suddenly anyone who isn't mummy or daddy gets screamed at! Bottom lip starts trembling then full on rage but as soon as back in my or DH's arms then all smiles again!

Well what can I say other than the end of the day will bring the tiny one a tiny step closer to the end of the wonder that is wonder week. Honestly, for a mellow little baby dd is really milking this one. Either that or she's signed up for baby-swap with a gremlin

Plonky Seven???? Seven boxes of cereal?!!! Why would you even buy seven? Or are they all different jealous. Regards own meagre store of oat related tedium IBS though, ugh, that's miserable. Travel and stress aren't particularly stomach friendly, so hopefully now you're home it'll ease up a bit. Although if you eat all 7 boxes of cereal yourself, I'm not so sure it will

Ah, the perennial cold house problem. We're feeling it here too. Unfortunately the worselet decided to feel it at 3am and woke me up to tell me. I have yet to find a solution to the warm when we go to bed/freezing by the wee small hours problem other than me getting up to add blankets.

KFF the answer to the brolly buggy problem is get wet. Works for me every time! Tis the lesser of two evils (the other being a load of hassle and arm ache)

Leni Yay, you got the bloods done. Here's hoping they give some answers.

Stormy hope the man's new job goes well and mini-storm's attempted sabotage tactic had no adverse effect. The worselet does that too. She always sleeps through unless DH has a 5am start or a mega presentation. Then she feels a sudden need to get up at 3am.

SoYo Wow. Hungry!!! She ate all that?! I'm impressed.

Rainbow so glad you're on, as I have a question for you. The beco gemini I ordered arrived today, and so far I'm not getting on with it. Any tips for getting a small wriggly person into a back carrying position without dropping them on their head? It's beyond me....

I'm still floored by rainbow-baby's capacity or food. Sourdough? Even I choke on sourdough and I have teeth! She's going to be one of those sophisticated kids that eat shellfish in restaurants isn't she? I suspect the worselet will be the type that will only eat mash. With ketchup

Oh god. I think I might actually cry. I've been trying to coax milk down the tiddler for ages, but she's been having none of it... and now she's screaming, because she's hungry. Betcha she won't eat it now either... because she's screaming!

Yeah - strangers. DD will look at someone who shows interest in her, look them up and down for 3 seconds, then give them a big old grin. So, naturally, said stranger wants a cuddle with 'such a happy baby'. Within 10 seconds, screamy baby.

Worse I think the real issue is why she couldn't just put em in the chuffing bin. The reason for buying so many is because they're all incredibly indecisive. Thankfully all we have in this house is weetabix, muesli and porridge, I'd not give cinnamon Grahams house room.

And yy to just getting wet. Hope the wonder week ends soon. I was fretting a lot for the few days ds went off everything. It will pass, I promise! If she's not clearing her ordinary bottles I'd be tempted to just offer small ones until she shows a return to form. Ella's fruity pouches saved my sanity during this time!

Worse I think the real issue is why she couldn't just put em in the chuffing bin. The reason for buying so many is because they're all incredibly indecisive. Thankfully all we have in this house is weetabix, muesli and porridge, I'd not give cinnamon Grahams house room.

And yy to just getting wet. Hope the wonder week ends soon. I was fretting a lot for the few days ds went off everything. It will pass, I promise! If she's not clearing her ordinary bottles I'd be tempted to just offer small ones until she shows a return to form. Ella's fruity pouches saved my sanity during this time!

Plonky I spectacularly missed the point there didn't I!!! We're a muesli/porridge household here too. I even have rye porridge in the pantry. Why, I can't imagine as I've never eaten it. Must have been on special.

We're half a bottle in on this feed. I am very pleased. Nice worselet has come home. Gremlin has gone away for now

worse I must admit I haven't used the beco for back carrying much, just the odd short walk, as can't control dummy when DD gets tired. Tend to stick to front carry position with occasionally facing out for when out on a long walk and DD gets fussy and tries to bend backwards to see! I find hip carry uncomfy too. When I have done back carry I do up the straps like rucksack straps, put DD in as if doing front carry then hold straps together in one hand and slide whole thing round reaching with free round back till I can put on like rucksack. I must admit I only do it over a bed when I am on my own just in case until I have practised it more. Think I will reserve back carry for when DD is older. At the moment I love carrying her on my front and having access to all those special kisses on her little head!

As for eating - it is definitely DD's special skill! Definitely a proud mummy when watching and every time it strikes me as being a really odd thing to be proud off but it's these little steps I guess that we parents marvel at that keep up going through the tough (sleepless) bits!

Sling is definitely answer wet walk! Giant raincoat that covers us both plus two arms free for umbrella! Haven't used my pram since DD was 8 weeks so sorted for all weather conditions now!

I really hate it when posts disappear. Loads of info from v helpful HV lost, and I really can't be bothered to do it again. The gist was chill out about milk intake, don't worry about over feeding. Don't worry about not taking much food or taking too much. Just go with the flow and follow baby's lead.

Hello everyone. ECobaby wore a coat today for first time! And we've got the cardigans out. I had the barley bag on my lap whilst I worked earlier. Autumn!
Ecobaby woke silly early so she came in with us. You co sleepers how ever do you actually sleep yourselves?! She fell asleep arms akimbo and my bum was hanging off side. But at least I got to watch her and dh sleep. Lovely. ANyhow, when she woke I offered her my finger for a suck and we discovered a tooth just broken through middle bottom. I am hoping what we have at present in terms of baby behaviour is teething, wonder week and illness and That we're not going to have these fun and games each time we get a tooth. ONe down and, what, 23 to go? Blimey. She's been unhappy for three weeks now and we work hard for smiles. Typical then that post feed burp time pre bed this evening when you're supposed to avoid eye contact and be boring she was having a total hoot playing with my face, grinning, sucking my eyebrows etc. I grinned back. Evil baby whisperer wouldn't approve.

eco get in the corner and think about what you've done

Worse I definitely didn't make myself clear, I now realise. I was attempting to be humorous and speak like MIL. Other things that riled me : referring to DS as 'little man', c

Gah.

Constantly whisking him away for her own pleasure. C

Ffs! I am so cack handed tonight.

Whisking him off in his pushchair to 'get him of to beddybyes', even though he is rarely lulled to sleep in there these days.

need to chill out, don't I?

Vj sound advice from health visitor! Yippee! Where can I find one like yours? MAybe that advice will help you worse as you try and deal with Worselet's milk refusal.
Talking of milk, bottle pro ladies, if dd happy taking bottle with same teat she's always had do I have to change it for a bigger size or can we just carry on? SHe only has one every couple of days. ALso, what's different with six month plus dummies? Safer as they're bigger perhaps?
Plonko ha ha at your sponge! And hat's off for dirty weekend. I anticipate your oh will be Very happy indeed. The dirty weekend of my dreams involves sleeping through, a lie in, a nice bra and breakfast in bed. Not very dirty but sounds bliss.
Rainbow and soyo we are similar in so far as ecobaby howls when I get up to leave her, even if it's in same room. She's preferring me to do baths too at present. CLingy. And yes, before not a whisper of this. A developmental thing I hope. A phase.
Stormy was the slaw a real nice mess? Any sign of pincer movements with food? WE're well behind on eating so just wondering when they start that sort of thing. MUch further down line I imagine.
Hello everyone else. Bath tepid now and dinner soon to be served so better dash. Gbbo later too!

No milk intake stress here, vj. She's had 31 flozzes and there's still a feed to go tonight!

Is it 24 milk teeth? I thought it was 18. However many there are, it's hard to believe one tooth would cause three weeks of distress, so I'd be inclined to call that hell wonder week.

Very strange afternoon today, DD was awake for six hours without complaint. Maybe she's replacing sleep with milk? I did put her down for a nap at half three, but after an hour of listening to variations on the theme of B for an hour I gave up and got her up again. My favourite part was when she was saying "boom boom boom!"

Also, this evening I noticed she was making an odd noise, almost clicking but softer. Gnashing gums, maybe? Sounded like something solid though, not just gums. How long do teeth take to come through?

Rainbow you're a star, both for recommending the beco and explaining to the more moronic amongst us (me) how to use it. I love it... it's fab!!!! Wish I'd got one months ago. It's so comfortable for both of us, and I totally agree about baby head kissing. Babies heads are just so kissable. They smell nice too. Why is that?

Stormy just hit B here too. We're on brrrr brrrr brrrrr brrrrmmmm. Another car fanatic maybe DH will be proud

Eco yes, you have to go up teat size. If you like me don't you'll find eco-baby will start to get very windy and milk refuse-y. I've just switched to dr Brown level 3.

No teeth here.... just dribbles.

VJ I wonder if we have the same HV? Mine is lovely. She's still in her training year and the worselet is her very first client, so we are special! Allegedly.

How's DH? Still on the sofa? Seriously though, hope he's doing ok.

Plonko dirty weekend? How did I miss that!!! Enjoy

Wow so much to catch up on. Sorry in advance if i forget anyone.

stormy how was the mans first day at his new job? And how was it being at home with dd all alone? Welcome to the club of clock watching and sitting by the front door ready to throw the baby at dh arms and say 'the baby has missed you' and run like the wind. I promise i dont do this everyday.

vj excellent advice from a wise hv. Ive had great experience with hv. On monday my hv said that perhaps ds is slowly cutting down on milk by himself and he might go down to 3 bottles a day.

eco we too are behind with weaning. I gave ds pureed apple but he locked his haw shut. I cook bean stew for him but he went bed early due to awful napping today so he had no solids for dinner but was happy enough with milk. Re: moving up a teat. Im not sure. When i moved from 1 to 2 i noticed ds ws sucking so hard to get milk out the teat went a funny shape. So perhaps you can change teats if your dd is finding it harder to drink from bottle.

Re clinginess and stranger anxiety. We havent gone through this stage yet. We did go through db anxiety though. Everytime he saw my brother he would cry. Heso now though. I know this sounds odd but im looking forward to clingy stage. Whenever hes on my lap now hes never still for 1 second and when i try to cuddle him he tries to wriggle away. I desperately miss those cuddles.

We are at the opposite end of scale with nappies now. Ds now has diarrohea and nappy rash. All linked to teething i guess.

Oh god and yes to the beginnings of stranger screams here. At the moment only when tired, and she's pretty happy with all grand/great grandparents, and my sister who looks like me. I can see it slowly getting worse though, and I'm concerned that with DH not allowed to pick her up for 3 more weeks this might turn her into a mummy's girl.

Wors have you checked out YouTube for getting into a back carrier? They have absolutely everything! That's where I learnt all the different sling ties.

Eco I like your idea of a dirty weekend. A bra that doesn't pop down, a top that doesn't button, a big comfy bed with no trace of vomit anywhere and a nice bath just for me that I don't have to rush out of to placate screamy fit.....plus maybe watching a film all the way through and reading a magazine. DTD is definitely a long way down that list!

As for the cosleeping, madam mostly only cosleeps while semi attached to a boob so I still have some space but the other day she did a full starfish! I just put a pillow at each edge so she couldn't roll out and then lay width ways across the bottom of the bed and went to sleep. Desperate times and all that.

I'm starting to get worried at the news of all these teeth. Madam bit me twice with her gums tonight and brought tears to my eyes so imagine the hell of that with teeth!

Right, whoever suggested brandy last night was onto something, I've once again tried everything else so I'm off to hit the liquor cabinet!

Morning all. I had this article pointed out to me by my very helpful friend, so I thought I'd share the guilt. I'd been thinking the same myself, as having tasted the Ella's pouches they are very sweet. Even the savoury ones are sweet. It just goes to show no matter how caring and sharing the manufacturers claim to be, their only concern is the bottom line, so they push products babies will prefer rather than products that will be good for them

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-24013437

V tired again today, as the worselet had wind. It was rather impressive wind too, but I would rather she saved such events for day light hours and didn't feel the need to share at 4am.

Not much else to say really. Other than yawwwnnnn....

Actually I did have something else to say! Thanks for the u-tube recommendation SoYo.... I'll take a look

Hmm I'm always wary of bbc articles. What if you and your partner subsist on a diet of frozen chips, beans and sausages (the food if the gods)? What if the humble purée is beyond your culinary ability? Is an Ella's pouch evil then? I've a friend who cannot cook and her baby will only eat organix biscuits - completely the parents' fault, but they actually stayed away from premade pouches and jars because their hv said to. We use the pouches now and then. They're really useful and I will carry on using them. I automatically avoid the crazy combinations like roast beef, squash, aubergine and apple cos I need a clear sweet-savoury distinction.

I suppose it's largely not applicable here because I'm sure that those of us using pouches don't intend to wean babies on to pouches but use them as a step towards family meals. The bbc have a habit of collating data they don't understand, as proven recently with their attempt to deter cosleeping.

IBS still bothering me in mornings and evenings. I think it may be time to keep a food diary again and see what could be triggering it. I took myself off for a bath last night to try to relax, and left DP to sort kitchen and morning bottles. He promised to do it all and would I please stop nagging . Came downstairs this morning to find two bottles chilling in the sink. Grrr.

Actually in this case I think it's a good article. Being informed about foods is a good thing as then we can all make informed choices. I started out saying life was too short to mess about with ice cube trays, but having tasted the baby foods I'd bought I now think it isn't. The article isn't saying anything other than it is best to avoid sugary foods, and some of the healthy looking options aren't all that. SIL gave me some Hipp organic jars and the baby porridge tasted like ambrosia creamed rice. Why would anyone add sugar to baby porridge? Milk is 6% sugar, so it is sweet enough as is. It certainly isn't saying feed biscuits instead.

Really trying day today.... the tiddler still full of wind and miserable with it. I'm assuming there are babies out there who can drink a whole oz of milk without swallowing twice that of air?!

Will have to make this a quick post, as someone just started squeaking.

Saw that thing about baby food in the Grauniad. I'm not going to fret too much, as it's not like DD's having much by way of purees at the moment (mainly because she's not that interested). I was appalled a few weeks back though, when I discovered you can get strawberry cheesecake puree for four month old babies. Totally unnecessary and just giving them a taste for sweet shit, was my verdict. As plonko says, we're just using jars of mush to get her used to eating, we're not aiming to get three of them a day down her.

A perfect weekend here wouldn't involve anything dirty. Just peace and quiet for 48 hours, with plenty of time to sit around in my underwear playing World of Warcraft. Patch 5.4 went live this morning, so there's new content! And I have no time to play. Alas!

KF as soon as the man got home last night, I dumped the baby on him and ran off for a bath. I love her, but she is exhausting. Really makes me see what a godsend it's been having him home these past few months (aside from the perpetual money worries, of course). With two parents on hand there's time enough for both to chill out for a bit. And of course it's always nice to be able to say "It's your turn," when she does something disgusting and explosive. As for how his first day went, I asked him and all he said was "Shit." But that's the wonderful world of telesales for you.

So, with giving babies real food, what food is good? All this hummus and slices of pepper and goat's cheese and whatnot, it's not stuff I ever eat myself so we never have it in, and it seems a waste to buy when it's almost all going to end up in the bin.

Right, better get madam up. Seven and a half hours until the man's home and I can relax and investigate the siege of Orgrimmar.

Yes I agree worse, anything that can help us make better choices is good, but please don't feel guilty. After a bit of digging I discovered this my friends decision to feed biscuits in a moment of panic is obviously bad, and I hope she can have better guidance about getting proper nutrition into her kid - for her ready made pouches would be a start. I read the ingredients list on any premade food I buy (whether for me or ds) and if I don't recognise something it goes back on the shelf. Bt then like you I take an interest in these things.

Hope the worselet is her old self again soon. Couldn't be time to go up a teat size could it? Although we've found a sudden increase in wind with weaning.

Plonky I agree to proceed with caution on articles about health etc. often if you do a bit of digging it comes a bit unstuck, even with The Beeb. I feel for you with the IBS, lately I wake up with severe cramps and have to rush to the loo a lot, but I think it's now linked to whatever this thing I'm getting is. I woke up for DS' feed but got really dizzy and then the pain started again down my left side. If my bloods don't show anything I'm going to ask for a neurologist referral as from past experience this sort of pain is nerve related . Hoping there's a less crap explanation though.

Anyone else struggling with weight loss still? I try to walk every day and eat healthily, but as I'm finding walking problematic maybe I'm not going hard enough to start my metabolism. I bought loads of clothes for going back to work but they all looked horrific, so depressing!

We're definitely in a wonder week. DS is crying even whilst playing which is odd, and refusing milk a lot too. He definitely does not want cuddles of any sort! Gutted.

We're using Hipp jars and homemade purees combined here, mainly because I'm so physically exhausted that I'm struggling to construct all the required meals everyone requires without falling victim to a screamy hunger fit when there's nothing ready in time! I only eat breakfast and then dinner when OH gets home (which I now seem to be responsible for making) and both meals are when DS is in bed so I just feed him at other times. As soon as we get a dining table it'll be easier.

As for sounds, he does an amusing baby beat box when his dummy's in - 'bm-ts-bm-ts' etc. Most sounds end as a raspberry and loads of spit too, accompanied by an expression of seriousness which makes it even funnier. He doesn't appreciate being laughed at though, oh no.

I wish our house was a bit colder - all this eco-house stuff means our bedroom is 26 degrees still. Can never tell what it's like outside so keep dressing DS in either too much or too little.