November 2012 - Is is too early for birthday plans?!

[StuntNun]

Previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/postnatal_clubs/1794169-November-2012-The-Adventure-Continues

Oh crap am suddenly terrified this is the start of the 9 month regression after 3 months of easy nights it had to end .

Maybe they're on their hollibobs?

29 again in Js room. He is asleep. Fell asleep in the Jumperoo bless him. Perhaps that is an idea for Izzy - each time he wakes put him in the Jumperoo. He may prefer to be asleep.

I am in bed. It is too fucking hot.

I have told DH if J wakes tonight he is to get up to him while I get the bottle sorted. He is not impressed. Fucker.

Night night all x

Hope LO is with GPs Izzy x

VQ also 28 in Los room and I am bed but its too hot.

YW am ignoring the idea of their even being a 9 month regression.

yw tis a growth spurt. No regression here. Au contraire. LO has been lsleeping better the last week.

Or maybe DS is chatting their ears off and DD is sleeping like a champ?

P was the same YW. Kept putting her down apparently asleep only to hear manic thudding as she hurled herself round the cot.

I am blaming the heart. There will be no regression in the crisp household

The heat. Not heart.

It is now 27 in P's room but it is cooling nicely outside.

What were you saying the other day YW about moving having an impact on sleep? When p was trying to crawl it seemed to be that now she is bloody convinced she can walk. Doh!

I have been thinking about your issue PR. I don't suppose it is seemly for a mother of two to lick up a wine spill? Or to ring the cloth out into her mouth? Just an idea.

I can't believe J falls asleep in his Jumperoo! Is it the uprightness VQ? I know of a baby who slept almost completely vertical held by a reflux harness.

30.8 degrees in O's room tonight. That is despite my best efforts. I did get it down to 30.2, but it went back up with the effort of rocking and shushing him to sleep thank fuck it wasn't 1.5 hours here pass I ain't cut out for that shit!.

Screw you hot weather. I love sunny days. But just not UK sun. Tis shite.

Izzy I just breathed a massive sigh of relief reading Stunt's post. And another big one reading VQ's. I have wanted to say these things to you for so long, but I have to be careful what I say because people assume I am giving advice professionally. I am not. I am giving it as a mother. You can't carry on like this. Something has to change for you. It is awful, fucking shitting awful to be going through the kind of torture (for that is what sleep deprivation is) that you are.

If I were you (and obviously I am not) my plan would be this: stop directly bf, but continue some expressing (I wouldn't be expressing full feeds, just enough to maintain supply, and for you to mix with neocate).

I would make up the formula, and add a small amount of BM to ensure he took some.

I would bottlefeed only for now - in an attempt to encourage him to take the neocate.

By continuing to express a little it gives you the option to go back to BF if this doesn't work.

I wouldn't expect to see any difference at all until he is no longer having BM. You would obviously need to continue the exclusion diet.

For me, my priority at this point would be to try and stop the BM completely so that you can see if this makes a difference.

Initially it would be harder. No two ways about it. But, long term, I would hope it would make a big difference.

Clearly I don't know your J though. Only you do. Only you know what is best for him, and for you. I just thought it would be worth giving you some ideas.

For the formula, I make it up for the day, store in fridge for up to 24 hours. At night I go and get the bottle, warm in microwave, add gaviscon, shake like a soggy wet cat then go to feed him. You could keep a mini fridge a la chasing in your room, or landing, wherever you have space. I'd even be tempted to put the microwave, or kettle upstairs somewhere safe for the meanwhile til he reduces the frequency of feeds.

Just ideas. No idea if it will be any help whatsoever.

Evening all :)

Well, Eric showed today why I do not like to feed him out. Refused dinner, cried all the time and basically buggered up his day. Redeemed it at tea time, didn't seem to eat as much as usual but has been drinking quite a lot and has drank his 24oz of milk. He was tired at lunch time and I made the mistake of thinking he would sit nicely and eat on a blanket. Nope. Definitely needs a seat!!

stunt hope your ankle is alright soon

izzy I do think the plan of expressing to maintain supply but switching to the special formula is a good idea, but it must be very tough for you, hugs. I think yw, vq and stunt have given you great advice/posts/things to consider xx

for all the bad nights :( Eric woke at about 6 again, it's so light so I think that is it, need to sort out blackout blinds or something :/ have blackout curtains but they are not working in such intense sunlit mornings

Thanks for the dieting suggestion sophia ill look into the sainsburys diet :) I did do really well on the sw diet but I find it so hard sorting e's meals and I can't do the him having what we have if its diet meals can I :(

Woohoo mm go m!

chasing I have a bumper for e, the week I got paranoid about him smothering himself, he caught his limbs in the bars and twatted his head so many times each night I put the bloody thing back on! He kept hurting himself and I worried about real injuries. Woohoo for toof two!!

What a positive post :D I am beaming for you :) hope tomorrow is a good day too, and then the next one and so on :)

Welcome back ditsy :)

Glad s seemed better this morning madame :)

pr :( sorry for a shitty time of it, hope they conk out to sleep soon and you get to wind down and cool down :)

Hope the garcias are doing good and just too busy for us :)

So, blackout blinds, what is it you're all using?

Cross posted with det but izzy tis a good post also - everyone says it better than I could but honestly something needs to change for you and for j :( hugs again

I have the most amazing news! Well, it is amazing for me, as I can not tell you how desperately worried I have been. I really have been. I sort of brushed it off, but my head was being driven crazy with why's and what ifs.

O has learned no!

I couldn't understand why he would just completely ignore me, whatever I did to try to distract him away from his goal. He didn't even turn around and look at me. Total blank face. If I hadn't known better, I would have worried he was deaf.

Tonight, he went for all the usual things. And he stopped when told 'no Oscar' and crawled away when I said he couldn't touch!

Not only that but when I called to him from the bottom of the room where his toys are, when he was happily playing, he stopped, looked at me, grinned and crawled right to me!

I know it sounds so silly.

But I am so very pleased.

I am also a little worried he may have caught a bug. He has vomited a lot today, and yesterday he vomited more than usual too. His cousin was in hospital the night before last with a tummy bug. And they had been together that day at a party. However, other than the increase in vomiting, O is otherwise okay. He has eaten less solids, and slightly less milk. But he is happy generally, and having about the same amount of wet nappies.

Will just have to see I guess.

I have been recommended the regular ones in Argos kyz and am seriously considering getting one. We already have blinds plus blackout curtains, but it isn't enough. I need something better!

Kyz we've got velux windows with velux black out blinds - they're perfect and I just open them a crack to leave a thin sliver of light as I don't want him only able to sleep in pitch black.

kyz we have the gro anywhere stick on blind. It's not pretty but it was cheap. Also it leaves pin pricks of light so no issue with needing utter darkness.

That is ace det! I do get what you mean. P does the divert business when I say 'no' when she goes up to the cat food. She just seems to know that this is not for touching. The pointy edged oak table from the nest of tables? Not a chance? She sees that as a challenge.

kyz we have the gro anywhere blind too. Does the job for us. I actually find it makes it too dark (!) so I use the night light on the baby monitor.

det o needs to give e some lessons in learning no, please! E is terrible for trying to get remotes etc and I try to say no but he laughs at me and does it anyway. Only it makes me laugh when he does. Mum keeps saying to be careful laughing when I tell him off (not tell him off but you know what I mean) because otherwise he won't listen when I really do mean business and its important he listens when he's about to do something dangerous like burn his hand or something. I am ashamed to say e is very strong and I have a really hard time holding him still when he's leaning off my knee for remotes or when I'm trying to change his bum. I am rubbish

I don't want e to have to sleep in pitch black either, but early hours of the morning and its quite light, I have the blackout curtains but at the top they are what's it, where the pole threads through eyelets, so the curtains are away from the wall thus letting a fair bit of light in. The windows are really quite big and take up a large portion of the wall, and so whilst they block out the brightness they don't block out the light well iyswim. Just feel we could do with something else, suitable for big windows if possible! Thanks for the suggestions, been looking at the gro blind thing and haven't heard of the velux one but I'll look. Need to measure the window too det to see how we might fair with the argos ones.

I have the thermo mats from the camper stuck on the windows, but then i also seem to have the only baby who is sleeping better despite the heat even though he's wearing lanolised wool trousers over his nappy!

In good news, my mum had R for a couple of hours today while i set up the youth club music festival, and has offered to have him regularly :o

In better news, he went down like a dream on the spot of 7 so i risked it and popped out to said festival. He stayed down, not a peep for dp! :o:o we might risk a pint in the local together soon if my mum will sit with him :o:o:o

Izzy, you don't sound ready to stop but you've done so amazingly well. Our babies are big enough for us to prioritise ourselves a bit now, and you must be right on the edge. Are you even safe to drive? Formula is not poison, your physical and mental health is paramount

Lo had his first fall today. Off a bed. At mums house. Under her watch. She has been major stressed out today check he is ok.
He has been fine as far as I can tell. He hasn't slept as much. But is happy and smiley. No bumps or bruises. So I'm not worried. Think it helps that I found out and could see he was ok. Realising he had fallen n he was screaming n crying may have freaked me out tho.

Omg. So hot. Starting to feel a lil itchy. Really hope the OC doesn't kick in yet can't Handel being itchy in this heat.

Have just read 5 pages you chatty lot. So sorry but I haven;t got time to reply, as need to go to bed.

Work was hot, I have felt fucking awful all day, pounding head, giddy, shivery, sore throat. Got home and checked my temperature to find it is 38.5. WTF. Paracetamol on board, off to bed. 13 hour shift again tomorrow

Thank you so much to everyone who took the time to reply to me. Especially vq,stunt,ywand det. I love the fact you actually took the time to give me a step by step plan!

It has really helped to see what others think and I am surprised to see that no one so far has suggested I try and continue with the BF. This speaks volumes to me. I am exhausted, permanently exhausted. I shout at my daughter almost every day and am scared to drive more than a 5 min drive this was proved on tues when I swerved into the next lane on way home from haggis meet If I switch to formula then it's likely I would get more sleep even if J doesn't as DH could help a lot more. He is fab and helps as much as he can but when J is screaming and refusing a bottle then I'm awake anyway and end up annoyed at them both.

I will have a think some more and do some more googling. Deciding in the middle of the heat wave possibly not a great move either considering he won't take water or solids!

Whoever asked about blackout blinds, we have one from shades blinds. It's ok, makes the room pretty dark. We got them for all the bedrooms.

In other fantastic news my parents have both kids!!! We went to return some stuff to NEXT as I spent a fortune! Then we had dinner out in harvester as they have a menu with allergens identified available and the chef even came to speak to me! and we even had a go in the 6D motion theatre experience, was hilarious!! I'm going to watch some telly with DH whilst drinking an amaretto sours and then stay in bed til 11.50am tomorrow that's ten minutes before the kids are due home!!

AND to top it all off I won't be posting and moaning in the middle of the night cos I will be sleeping!!!!! You guys must be sick of me by now!!

Yeah Izzy stop hogging all the poss in the middle of the night! Glad to hear you're getting a break tonight. You'll be revitalised tomorrow.

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Woohoo Izzy! Enjoy your sleep!

Woo hoo izzy. I was going to come in and say stick with the bf because it's comforting for him and he's in pain and i am very pro bf (just persuaded my 3.5 y o to give up) BUT I have reconsidered. Neocate should give him the chance to recover and if you pump you'll keep your supply up. In the
meantime you could push to get him seen again urgently. Do a det if necess and go to a and e or just ring the paed's secretary until you get an appt. my brother was desperately ill from birth and only survived because my mum pestered the doctors ad nauseam. He ended up in Great Ormond Street for a year post emergency colostomy. This was in the 60s but the reason for telling you this is that she reckons you just have to keep shouting until you are heard.

Have a wonderful night off. X

PS I wasn't born in the 60s! He's much older than me!

Now fuck off and go the fuck to sleep Izzy!

I like a plan, can you tell?!