November 2012 - Crawling? Already? Uh-oh!

[StuntNun]

Previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/postnatal_clubs/1779903-November-2012-The-weaning-adventure-continues

Aha! My post from last night.....

Evening all, barely had time to fart let alone post! Seems like its been really quiet on here though compared to usual! Seems like there is shit quichewide :( big hugs all round. E has been the epitome of whingebag today, no fun at all! Also thought he was refusing tea at me but actually it was because he hated the ek pouch I'd done him. It was sweetcorn and chicken and mash, and I thought it quite rank also, did a spag Bol and he ate that. Been a muchos busy day today so not had time to sort a 'proper' tea out :(

Maybe we should try to rally round a load of positive bits and bobs? Anyone got any nice plans for tomorrow?

Sounds like some of the quiche babies are getting right good at this moving malarkey!! Eric is very frustrated that he can't and don't I sodding know about it! Whine whine whine whine whiiiinee!

luis that is very much unfair!! :( hope j's cold goes away soon bless him

chasing in an attempt to answer your questions, e has both cooled boiled water and tap water, and filtered tap water. Whatever I'm closest to really! I always let the tap run a second before using the water, because the first bit is so cloudy! Pasta... Eric hasn't had big people pasta yet but I got some spirally pasta today as one of our planned meals is a pasta bake. I always offer e something on a spoon and something finger foody where possible, he takes the tiny pasta just fine and loves the stuff so I am hoping for a good result with big pasta :) I'd just stick it on the tray plain at first, it'd probably be too slippery in a sauce, though I guess you could dunk the end in something sauceish if you wanted to! Sounds like o is doing well :) shame your dad and stepmum are being like that :( are they aware of how hard you're trying? It isn't like you wanted to be in that situation and they should be supportive. You might find somewhere else has more places that'll accept hb perhaps?

Glad p is seeming better pass, sounds like she's doing really well with weaning!!! Go p!!! How big are the cubes? Either way that's a lot compared to her starting out isn't it :) e keeps clearing his bowl and seems to want to eat a decent amount now too. Not always for breakfast but generally for lunch and even tea sometimes! He is drinking 28oz and eats three times a day, I've no idea if this is good or not but for him, it is. I still feel odd trying not to worry about his milk intake when I'm so used to trying to ensure he drinks a decent amount!

Oh evil why are things worse with p? Sounds like n is doing well! :)

Hope you enjoyed your holiday daisy :) flight sounds like fun :|

eliza that's fab news about e!!! Really pleased she's doing so well :) hope she continues to do well :) what's a doidy cup? Either way it must be a good thing that she can use one!

Kiddicare are matching Mothercare's 15% off sale. I just got a Maxi-Cosi Axiss car seat for £145 (RRP £220) ready for when J grows out of his Cabriofix.

F just did a poo. DH took a sniff and announced "it doesn't smell too harmful"

Thank you for the heads up stunt. I'll go and have a look.

kyz I think you are awesome! You are constantly busy but always so cheerful.

And yes, I am so chuffed with how P has turned around weaning. She gets so excited when I put her in her chair. I did find a downside to getting trough bibs with cute frogs on. She thinks the frogs are hilarious so keeps lifting the bib up to look at them!

I feel the same way as Pass about the formula. My baby is in much less discomfort now he is on it. It is lovely to feed him and have him sitting calmly in my arms. I do not care what is in it as it clearly works. Meds need working in though, but the milk hits the spot. My milk was hurting him. I had overload and one boob had packed up so it was clearer cut for me.

I just got an email from Kiddicare, the carseat has been shipped already! He won't need it for another six weeks at the earliest, there's no hurry! I'm undecided as to whether to get the summer cover or not (was that your suggestion VQ?) I do think they're a great idea for not having to wash the carseat covers but it only comes I'm minging shades of blue, grey and pink. Having said that, if they're cotton maybe they can be dyed?

Over supply causing lactose overload is what I meant to say.

Pass, VQ totally agree re nutramigen where its clear cut - but if there's a choice then I'd personally rather BF even with dietary restrictions (which I appreciate isn't for everyone and thankfully it's not as hard as I thought it would be) but it's horses for courses. Izzy shouldn't feel pressured to FF by family or HCP as they want her to do it as you say, so they can measure what's going in for box ticking, possibly there is also an implicit assumption that there's something wrong with her BM (always a helpful attitude from your loved ones!!! ) but their reasoning certainly isn't for selfless reasons on behalf of J .

PIL are up (and not entirely driving me mad) but a few choice nuggets - tired Jonas crying for a feed 'would some chocolate cheer him up?' 'no FIL it's got milk in it' 'how about fudge?'. They just don't get it and are a bit put out that all of the evening meals I've cooked are dairy free. It's a bit unreasonable to eat faddy food for a week apparently (pasta putanesca, lamb in red wine, fish and chips?) bear in mind they're both morbidly obese and when I remind them I've been doing this for 7 months I get told 'well it'll soon pass' . Oh and the morning MIL looked after the bear she 'forgot' his meds I offered to do it but 'no I'm fine' she's been cynical he needed them - she wasn't after a couple of hours solid misery from Jonas .

Saw baby photos of DSIL today - she was the one who screamed for virtually the first two years of her life and wouldn't sleep. She still has issues with dairy. OMG she was the biggest baby ever - clearly comfort feeding and CMPI. Sadly 39 years ago it was considered ludicrous that milk was bad for some babies.

Anyway BBQ this afternoon with lots of goodies from the farmers market. And lots of my family over, three more kids and a bump so Jonas will be chuffed

Medieval festival in my village this afternoon and toorrow. A big deal as tis the big festival of the area. Shall see if I can get a decent photo or two. Unlike most of the villagers, we are not going in costume.

Do you mind if I lurk on your thread? I'm from the Dec 2012 thread (my pfb Thomas, was born on Christmas Day). I'm the only one on there who's LO has shown any allergies though - milk and eggs cause a red rash round his mouth - he also has reflux. Just interested to read about how your LOs are getting on with allergies etc (and a wee peek into the future of crawling and sleeping [they all sleep through the night now, right? Please? ]).

Sorry vq and pass I didn't mean to be insensitive in regards to the formula. What I was trying to say but obviously poorly was that I don't feel there is any benefit to me or him switching to fully formula fed when I can successfully eliminate the cause through changing my diet. It just seems pointless to move to FF when it's actually easier for me to BF him and would continue to provide benefits for both him and I.

My mother has been of the opinion I should switch to formula for a long time, probably due to the fact I'm so brazen and feed in public! She thinks I should hide when feeding and has made her feelings on this clear. My arguments previously other than health benefits were the sterilisation required, the faff and the cost! Now that the consultant told us we HAVE to give him formula now in order that he can take it for my hospital stay etc and the fact it's prescribed so no cost issue it's tricky to argue back at her!

Sorry again if my post upset anyone. Formula is magic stuff and obviously very highly scientific and contains everything a baby needs. I just got a shock reading the ingredients of the neocate.

Hi Stacks we're 'allergies and intolerances r us' on this thread a Christmas day baby awwww! It's one way to get out of cooking the Christmas dinner eh? I went out with a guy years ago who was a Christmas baby - he hated always having turkey for his birthday lunch and Christmas cake as his birthday cake as his mum wouldn't cook him anything else! She was a bit of a cow though

Oh and whilst j could cope with soy in the Japanese we had last week, last night's Chinese - my first in 8 months - seems to have set off his reflux. Arse badgers. Maybe there was milk in my satay or maybe soy twice in 7 days is too much for him bugger. Am going to try once more next weekend and see. Am definitely not going to add soy back into my diet full time just yet

Hi stacks! Not at all - happy to welcome any one round these parts :). We're not fussy

A crap night from O, but nothing in the region of previous crapness, or the crap that others have had! He did wake about 15 minutes after I checked on him to find him grinning at me. I got him settled, for him to wake 5 minutes later. He didn't want a feed, which I was rather unimpressed over, he just wanted cuddles, and someone to help him the fuck to sleep . DP settled him the second time.

I have no idea how many times he woke in the night, but there were several, I didn't check the clock. He fed at 2.30-3 (I think). And again at 7.15. Bright as a button today, no meds needed . No endless whining.

Will check for new teeth later!

Baby jail has been erected . O is in it - and has been for about 40 minutes. Seems happy in there! He's got toys, and is playing away! Bonus!

Thankful that DP let me lie in this morning. I only got up when O woke up after his morning nap nearly midday!!. But I still feel shit. So it's a bit pointless I suppose . Was nice when I went in to him though he gave me such a big happy grin, and giggles! I actually think he had missed me for the less than 2 hours he was up this morning before sleeping again!.

Chasing Enjoy Ikea. You will be fine. It does feel like missing a limb, but you do get used to it surprisingly quickly .

BP :( do you reeeeeaaaaaaaally have to go back to work?! I demand that you don't hah!

Stunt Damn it! We can't afford a new car seat til September, which should be around the time we need it to be honest. Got so many things to pay for over the next couple of pay days. Good deal there though!

YW at IL's on your behalf.

Izzy :) No offense at all! Feeding is so emotive a subject! For me if O's issues had developed while BF, I think I would have stopped because I don't think I would have had a healthy diet in any way shape or form dairy free. But that is because my diet is quite restricted any way by my own faddy tastes. I don't eat so many things, which in order to be dairy free, I should eat. It's such a personal decision to make. :) No one can tell you what you should or shouldn't do. If you are happy to continue, go for it. :) I don't think your hospital stay will be long enough to interrupt BF - I'm not sure exactly what you are having done, but have you been given an expected length of stay? Most gynae procedures are day cases, or 1 max 2 nights stay. I think only the major ops (hysts etc) are 4-5 day stays. I could be wrong though.

Hope everyone is having a better saturday than me. I feel like a slug on the sofa. I'm not sure I will be going anywhere or doing anything today!!

I'm expected to be in a minimum of 5 nights det :-( which I am not looking forward to. My pelvic floor is knackered and fucked up ridiculously so and this requires a full blown surgical repair.

stacks welcome to the thread. The others are a fountain of knowledge, me not so much! I remember you from the TTC thread! Congratulations! My MIL is a Xmas day baby, hubby is a new years day (was due Xmas day) and my son is Halloween!

You've got all occasions covered there Izzy. Crap about the length of stay. Well, it's more crap that it is such a major repair. But you know what I mean! What options do you have for having J to come to see you? Is hospital close by for DH to bring him in for feeds? Not sure how feasible that would be.

The hospital is pretty close, about 6 mins away in fact. DH will likely be at work when I'm in so feeding in hospital not likely. Plus I'm not sure how the hospital would like that. I'm not sure what to do to be honest!

To be honest - as a BF mum they can't really say no... could you imagine the uproar?

But that is by the by if no one can bring him in to you.

O is a proper dennis the menace today! He's now asleep. THANK FUCK! I ended up sat in the baby jail with him playing games. He's mastered the hitting of the spinning top thingymabob. Very pleased with himself too. We are near to clapping - I've not done it with him before. So he kinda got the idea, but preferred to clap one of my hands - makes a better noise you see!

What other things can I do with him? Teach him bye bye? I tried that once, he just gave me a hard stare. Don't think he was impressed!

I'm off to find my baby play book thing! Need some ideas to keep him out of mischief! to exercise his mind in a more constructive way!

Right. Now the boy is on the move, I think we need some more hard wearing clothes.

Looking at the state of his poor babygrows, the feet and knees are done in after one wear!

I think when I get 9-12 months (which isn't going to be long at all!) I will get him some jeans, and joggers. And Pj's for bed. My baby is growing up. :(

Dungarees are great for crawling Detective; with trousers they have a tendency to crawl right out of them.

If J is taking the neocate okay Izzy then you only need to maintain your supply when you're in hospital. You could pump and dump once or twice a day just to make sure your milk doesn't dry up then reestablish your supply when you're up to it. I know now my J is bigger, bfing is just no problem apart from not being able to eat egg, no engorgement issues any more and it will get even easier once he can sit on my lap and keep himself in position. So to my mind it would be silly to stop now when you've already been through the tough time at the start. That said you've always got the formula as a backup if you do decide to stop bfing.

I have had a shock today, I came in to find DH has moved J's cot and change table into the study! It's not ideal, the curtains in there are really thin and there are pictures of Jimi Hendrix and Winston Churchill above the cot (don't ask). DH is very prone to doing things by halves. It seems a bit sudden, especially as I'm up so many times with J during the night and it will take longer to get to him when he just needs his dummy popped back in. I'm a bit worried that DH has plans to start CIO/CC with him. Certainly when left J tends to become hysterical and in a strange room that might be even worse.

Why would DH do that without discussing it with you first Stunt?

Men are odd.

You have just reminded me, the two jobs for today were baby jail, and lower cot. O is asleep in cot right now, so as soon as he wakes, that's what we DP will be doing!

Dungarees are okay, but all the ones he has are soft cotton type materiel and the knees are wearing quickly. I think a soft denim could take more damage. But yes, I love dungarees! I saw some nice ones in M&S the other week. I've got a voucher to use up there too. Think I might go and look online now. :)

Izzy I think it is worth considering the anaesthetic and pain relief and how this will impact on feeding and in turn you. Having fed two babies post section and only allowed paracetamol and brufen, I would not relish that, especially a big boy like your J.

The medics will also want to cover all eventualities. It is a big op. it could affect your supply as it is a big trauma effectively, you may require longer in hospital or even HDU for a while. Hopefully not, but there is a risk with all operations and the medics will want to ensure J will not starve in the interim, or put too much pressure on your healing body.

So long as he will take the neocate by the time the op comes I see no reason not to mix-feed. He is a big boy and will not have milk as his main food for much longer now. It is not as if he is 3 weeks old and you are establishing feeding.

Izzy I think it is worth considering the anaesthetic and pain relief and how this will impact on feeding and in turn you. Having fed two babies post section and only allowed paracetamol and brufen, I would not relish that, especially a big boy like your J.

The medics will also want to cover all eventualities. It is a big op. it could affect your supply as it is a big trauma effectively, you may require longer in hospital or even HDU for a while. Hopefully not, but there is a risk with all operations and the medics will want to ensure J will not starve in the interim, or put too much pressure on your healing body.

So long as he will take the neocate by the time the op comes I see no reason not to mix-feed. He is a big boy and will not have milk as his main food for much longer now. It is not as if he is 3 weeks old and you are establishing feeding.

Fucking app!

I doubt they would allow him in to feed. That would mean him coming in outwith visiting times, bringing germs (that is how the ward might see it, not me you understand) disturbing other patients (staff time for Facebook) and they would be concerned for your health. They cannot stop you expressing though.