November 2012 - Crawling? Already? Uh-oh!

[StuntNun]

Previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/postnatal_clubs/1779903-November-2012-The-weaning-adventure-continues

Shitting fucking coughing. If DD2 were a pet she would have been rehomed by now.

Det. I have often gone into check on lo and found he is wide awake and smiles at me when u walk in. I just used to tip toe out. And occasionally if I can see his in a good mood I can give him a quick kiss. If in bad mood he starts to cry and I walk straight out and shut the door. Most times he falls asleep or amuses himself. And judging by the state of his cot toys in the morning he likes playing with them while on his own.

James has just taken a bottle with 3oz neocate to 4oz breast milk. We're getting there!

Need to post and fill in regarding the nurses visit on Thurs but too late no and will end up forgetting!

Oh and he downed the lot!

VQ I would have another baby like a shot apart from having to wait 9-18 months because I had a CS. I know what J is going through isn't normal, my other two had their problems but not as bad as the reflux/allergy situation.

DH took J away to settle him so I could sleep. Unfortunately he settled him on the bean bag. He seemed genuinely surprised when I pointed out that was dangerous. Thanks but I don't need sleep at the expense of taking risks like that.

Just had a screaming for from James. He was only fed less than an hour and a half ago yet when I went in he's jumping up and down in my arms trying to latch onto my neck. I wasn't going to feed him after that short a time! DH woke and has taken over the settling mission. I know if I bring him into our bed he'd settle straight away but I can't keep doing that!

all round.

R went down at 7, waking at 10:15, 2:45 and 4:30. Much improved for us although i yearn for the days of 7+ hours

Propped up on a pillow with a sleeping baby on my chest. Haven't done this since the early days but he can't seem to sleep even though he's exhausted. Thank goodness it's Saturday so I can catch up on sleep later.

Another wake up here so the mashed potato for dinner didn't do the trick. Hopefully he'll go back to sleep after this, I'm not ready to face the day yet.

Every 1.5 hours. She turns on her back and can't turn to tummy. She can do it during the day but not at night.

luis so sorry
stunt hugs

7 -1-4-6.15 so an average night here.

Morning.

Well that was fucking shit. DH was working until the early hours so I thought I would get an early night so I would be bright as a button today.

Ha! Right from bedtime p needed settling very hour at least. At points it was every 20 mins or so. No idea what was wrong. She wails, I put her dummy in and she is straight back asleep but maybe only for minutes. I stood at watched her a couple of times to see what was happening but nothing obvious. She seemed to want to curl right up and sleep like a wee tortoise. Maybe a sore tummy.

Anyway. She woke at 6am for the day. Found her sitting up in her cot looking round about her.

Great about the bottle izzy! Getting somewhere. Not so great about the wake up.

James fed at 9pm,1am,5am and 7am. This is a big improvement on the last goodness knows how long. The problem now is the wakening we have between feeds. He woke at 11pm, 12am and 3am and wouldn't settle each time. He would be fine when held yet scream when laid down in cot. I was on his floor with him from 2 til 5 when I gave up and took him and I into our bed. Not good!

I am now expressing milk so I can go back to bed for a few hours to prepare for hen night tonight. Hoping I get a good few hours sleep! I'm waiting on hairdressers contacting me to see if I can get appt for blow dry or curls or something but I kinda hope they don't have space as that'd mean more sleep!

I don't think I'll ever manage to post fully about the nurses visit so short version is James is being prescribed omeprazole, according to nurse it's to be taken alongside ranitidine which seems overkill so I shall check when I collect prescription on Monday. They want to work on his eating solids first and then his sleep in the hope solids may help sleep anyway. They think part of the sleep is behavioral and will need rectified somehow. The fact he refuses solids is pit down to oral aversion due to the reflux missed for so long (this is where I feel guilty for not picking it up even tho a few quiche members suggested it). Nurse is coming out on Thurs to play with fruit puree and hope he maybe takes some, she said it may take weeks! We have referral to dietician which they will attempt to fastback as this is needed for weaning J and also for me due to restricted diet and breastfeeding. That's pretty much it! Not so short after all!

My family, except DH reckon I need to wean him off breast onto neocate fully as they think he will tolerate it better without me feeding too and claim their reasoning is that I go in for surgery and can't breastfeed then so will be causing problems for when that time comes. I don't know what to feel about that but my initial reaction is that I would rather keep feeding him myself, especially after looking at the ingredients of neocate!

Epic post! Expressing done, I can hear DD up so hopefully when I go upstairs DH will take the 3of them down!

Not sure what's wrong with LO. She was up for an hour at 12.30, screaming, arched back. Then slept til 7, up, screaming, arched back, no fever, have shoved a paracetamol up her bum. Must be teeth. Unless it's her ears again.

She ate fine yesterday, but not hungry this morning. Very angry at any hint she should go back to bed.

I'm glad to hear your getting somewhere with treatment for J Izzy. It's great that your DH is standing by you on your wish to keep bfing. Too many people seem to think either that you must stop bfing when the baby has ishoos or that bfing is some sort of self-indulgence on the part of the mother. But if you can face the dietary exclusions required then bfing will continue to provide benefits to him, particularly antibodies when we get back into winter. I'm sure plenty of women manage a short stay in hospital while bfing, as long as you can keep your milk supply going then you can resume once you've recovered from your operation. FC the improved sleep will continue.

I'm sorry to be a bit shouty about this, especially with the multiple shitty nights going on, but....

Little pig slept from 7 til 5 with NO WAKINGS! In her own cot! Huzzah! Then went down for a further 2 hours.

Izzy I hope that F can be some sort of inspiration - 4 nights ago she was still waking 2 or at best, 3 hourly, for feeds through the night, and wouldn't sleep in her cot. We had 2 hellish nights, and 1 ok night, then last night was lovely. I'm hoping it wasn't just coincidence. Then again she has never slept that long in her entire little life.

GT I will unfortunately have to do something productive with my days, and don't have a smartphone, so won't be able to post at work. No doubt I'll make up for it with endless waffling at other times

Luis poor J . Tis very cruel. Has he been chattering away since the Gruffalo incident?

In some ways, I'm glad I have had a refluxy, non-napping, sleep-dodging velcro baby first. I am in no illusions as to how bloody hard it can be. And hopefully the next two or three won't be CMPI. Lightening doesn't strike twice, right?! Although even if it did, I would suspect it earlier.

I got quite tearful yesterday, looking at photos of when F was small. Her tummy was so bloated and distended, and with hindsight it was of course due to the secondary lactose intolerance and broken innards . It's that old guilt thing going on I suppose - why didn't I realise earlier, and cut out dairy.

Izzy it is your decision, I'm sure their intentions are good, and they want to make things as easy as possible for your hospital stay. I wasn't ready to stop feeding really, but am happy with mix feeding now - especially since I can see that F is suffering no ill effects from the formula. My last post sounds a bit nobbish, but what I was trying to say badly was that, when the time is right, their bad sleep behaviours can be cracked - it isn't forever.

BigPig I think YW posted something ages ago about cutting dairy in the third trimester of pregnancy to prevent CMPI. Certainly from a biological view this would make sense although I'm not sure there have been any studies done on the effectiveness. It tends to be like that with allergy-related issues though, sometimes there isn't concrete evidence and you just have to take a best guess at what is best for your baby. My DH is allergic to shellfish so my DS1 and DS2 weren't given shellfish until they were 5 as a precaution. Neither of them are allergic to shellfish but obviously we have no idea whether that's because of the precaution we took or whether they wouldn't have been allergic anyway. Given that both of them have hayfever (DH and I both have hayfever) and DS2 and DS3 both have eczema (I have eczema) I stand by it as a sensible decision to take. I'm sure after having a baby with CMPI you would do anything to avoid it in future.

checking in very late. will read and post properly this afternoon.

Ninja post,
Had a good nights sleep. p is at a 4x4 weekend.
Feel good.
Evil

omg I wrote a huge post last night before the little one saying good luck stunt and have only just realised it's not there!! bollocks. fail.

ah well, morning everyone

BPLP CMPI has a verrrrry strong genetic link so sadly, is fairly likely to strike twice. My cousin's wife has just entered the 3rd trimester of her 2nd pregnancy and is cutting dairy after their first had CMPI and FTT as a result. When I get updiffed again I'm doing the same. I'm glad we tackled it super aggressively super early as he doesn't seem to have any symptoms anymore (on meds!) and all the pain was when he was so tiny he hasn't got any oral aversion. But the 'they'll grow out of it' view prevails amongst GPs and our parents, and the wish to deny there is anything wrong is very strong - it's only because of family history I knew I had to act.

Izzy go with your gut on the BF - the ingredients do read rather like a science project and TBH made me think the same. If you're in hospital and determined to keep BF I bet you could borrow an industrial hospital breast pump and pump super quickly?

pig where O leads F will follow....

I have handed my boy over to XP for the day . I feel like I've lost a limb. But I will stop being dramatic now and lose myself in Ikea.

Interesting interesting interesting.

I have never read the ingredients of nutramigen as what good would it do? We had no choice but to use it and I am forever thankful for the wonders of science meaning my baby gets to thrive on milk which doesn't turn her tummy in knots.

However.

I 100% understand the reticence of you izzy and yw to introduce something which is almost the polar opposite to the natural way your babies have been fed since they were born. For this reason izzy I would say the decision must be entirely yours. If you are willing to sacrifice your diet then no one else should be telling you otherwise.

My experience of the HCP with regard to dietary conditions is that they breathe a sigh of relief when you can provide them with lists of ounces taken and exact figures. There is a certainty about FF which makes them feel more comfortable. It is also about control. When P was being fed by a tube we had no say in what substance they poured down there. You have a say.

When I saw the paed recently and he was catching up on P's history when I responded that she was fully FF and had been for months his response was "ah! So we can't even blame you then!" Now, this was said tongue in cheek and was definitely a nod towards the inclination to hold BF responsible for feeding issues.

Waffle waffle waffle.

Even I've forgotten what my point was. . .

chasing I left P to get my hair done and felt like I had lost a limb - you are not being dramatic!

Eat some dime bar cake. Sit on the sofas in the tiny yet perfectly formed apartments and imagine the day O and you have your own lovely place and how happy you two will be.