The 5th Gemini luxury bus - the one with babies!

[FrustratedSycamoresRocks]

As we have all our gorgeous babies now, welcome aboad the 5th Gemini bus.

Drinks and previously banned foods supplied in bulk, Car seats installed, slings and prams at the ready, as we head into parenthood, and all the excitement, and sleepless nights our little ones will bring along the way.

I can't offer any advise kitty but ((((hugs))))

Thanks frus, I'm abit calmer but still mad with him, he's not said sorry!
Oh and that post was slightly wrong, I didn't have them both til midnight, I ment midday, so he had all morning to enjoy ( no doubt constructively playing Xbox)

Hahahaha it's a poo massacre!

TMI alert! You have been warned.

Picture the scene if you dare... Asda baby change room, about 3x5metre square. change unit is on the same unit as sink, and a huge mirror behind.
undid ds nappy and grabbed a wipe just as ds exploded. He managed to shoot bright yellow poo at least 2 metres! such skill the side, the table, the sink and tap were hit, as was the wall and mirror, and the floor. As well as the pack of wipes and the clean nappy.
If it was red it would look like a crime scene worthy of a horror movie.

Then as I was trying to clean ds up, he wee-d all over himself.

And ds just lies there and gurgles happily as I attempt to cover my tracks and dispose of the evidence.

If you dont laugh you'd cry.

Thanks for that TMI Frus, cheered me up a treat.

What do you do when it's too hard? You can't give them back??
I'm cross with DH, I said I was hungry over an hour ago and he's just come up to see what I want for lunch. I don't bloody care, i just want him to sort it out and feed it to me. Little baby screams go right through me. It still hurts when I feed but cos it's less sore than it was it feels like this is as good as its going to get, and I have to out up with this for the next year! I hate that I don't always know what's wrong with her, this time it was a wet nappy and I didn't pick up on it for ages, DH tried to sing her but it was too tight so she hated it, so she screamed and he was so upset, but his reaction to being upset is to storm off, I really just want him to focus on me and her and not keep checking Facebook or Wimbledon or Tour de France or Athketics, or moaned that he's not been able to play his game at all for 3 weeks.

And the worst thing is, he's actually really good and helpful, he adores our baby and he loves me so much, so I feel horrid for moaning, I just can't be so tired forever!

Gosh I'm so sorry to hear everyone is having a hard time at the moment! What is it with MEN? (and little boys who poo and pee on everything!?) Seriously Frus best story to wake up to! You poor thing!

Kitty that just sounds infuriating. I'm shocked at the total lack of help! . Hello Mr. they're your kids too!!

Lib when things feel like they are too hard, walk out of the room. Even if she's crying her little lungs out if she's in a safe place like her bed, walk out of the house (or where ever you can't hear the crying) and take a few deep breaths. She will be absolutely fine for a few minutes of crying and you will feel better for just taking yourself out of the situation and focusing on your breath. Men are not programmed like we are and they don't have that mechanism to stick it out when things get really hard (esp with babies!!). Maybe this is something you should just sit down and talk out with him? Even if you just say "I feel really really tired. My boobs hurt. I feel like .... I appreciate all of the help, I love you, can we try doing for a while to see if it makes a difference?" When you're exhausted and sore and you've got a baby who literally drains you and your partner isn't helping and is annoying you it's SO easy to totally explode and start fighting with each other. Gotta go back to the basics in that you are both on the same team, you both have had little sleep, you both are trying to figure out how to deal with a little tiny human, and you both need each other, and you both have to speak whats going on in your minds. I promise this is such a short phase and you will get through it even though it seems miles long and never ending.

Just pondering.... when you're done feeding, do your nipples blanche white? Do they hurt when they touch air or get cold? Does it hurt through the entire feed or only just when she latches?

Shove them back in lib?

I'll let you into a secret lib nobody really knows what they're doing. until they speak it is pure guess work, and sometimes even when they can speak.
My plan to pretend I know what ds is crying for is ..
Step 1- Feed (if he refuses then move onto) winding, repeat until ds stops crying.
Step 2- If step one doesnt work put ds down somewhere safe and leave for 5 minutes to de-stress.
Step 3 - repeat steps 1 and 2
Nappies changed when either ds stinks, farts are heard or felt, or nappy feels full (also known as bulging bum)

I can't assist or advise with DH/Ps as they're all different. I let mine fend for himself and not expect anything. he's honestly not always useless

Sorry for your tmi wake-up bring I'd been up about 10hours at that point but on the plus side I probably would have been crying and rocking if it had happened at home.

Hahaha Frus laying in the corner in the fetal position "Make it stop!" I totally would have a temper tantrum if I had to clean poo off the walls at home. I cried when I had to change my bedding again yesterday. A king-size bed is not easy to change.

Frus is totally right. We are just guessing most all of the time. Even the most seasoned mum thinks it would be easier to shove 'em back in when the going gets tough sometimes.

Ok, here's my moan (I couldn't seem like the smug one with the perfect partner): We're going on 2 weeks now and dh has been so incredibly sweet and helpful for the first 8 days Now he's managed to steal my laptop whenever he thinks I'm done with it as soon as I get up to pee or have to feed the baby and is constantly watching Sopranos on it after busting the ipad by getting a bottle of water spilled all over it (it wasn't even the kids!). This morning is ridiculous because he's still here! It's like get your a** to work dude! Staying up until 3 am watching Sopranos and falling asleep with the computer in our bed DOES NOT constitute as staying up all night with a baby (who slept for 3 hr stretches, btw, and I think I got more sleep than he did) where he can come back from dropping off the kids at preschool and get back in bed! Hello! I'm the one who just pushed a kid out of my body, not him. Get outta here please!

Are you like me bring in that its often easier when they're at work rather than being at home getting in the way and being annoying being helpful?

I'm wondering if it'll actually be easier when DH gets back to work as N and I will get a routine and I'll be better at sleeping when she sleeps. Its no wonder we are a bit ragged with each other, we've never spent 3 weeks together, our honeymoon was 15 days and by the end of that we were picking up hitchhiker so we had some one else to talk to.

Back to my nipples. They're not white, just a bit more pink than usual at the end of the feed. I'm fairly certain my latch is too shallow but she is reluctant to open her mouth wide and I'm scared to take her off to correct her as that might mean another sore latch on.

Breastfeeding group tomorrow, which is just peer support, but at least is support right!

As for the screaming, you're right, leaving the room does help. I've just had a nap and am going to grab a quick shower while DH winds her, so it al feels better now for the time being.

Oh absolutely!

At frus asda story, is it wrong that I'd prefer it to be there then at home, I couldn't bear it on my wall, or god forbid the cream carpet
( I would clean it up btw )
Being my dh is the same, he has been good with dd1 but as I've let him have the last few nights he's just stayed up later watching tv and if I say I havnt slept well he says he hasn't either! ( he's got the same cough we all have) I find it easier on my iwn at night though as if its his turn he just grumbles swears and wakes me anyway if she doesn't feed wind and go down in less then 20 mins!
I've just eaten 3 lion bars, I blame him!

lib ds has a shallow latch, unless he is calm, I put him on anyhow to get his frantic "feed me now" out of the way, then when he's calmer I take him off and try again. Lining his nose up with the nipple, and his chin and bottom lip against my breast, I hold him there, and using my finger I push down on the areola on the opposite side to the chin, to pull the nipple just out of his reach. Then when he open his mouth to try and get it, I use my finger to pop the nipple into his mouth, which gets it right up at the top of his mouth, And his nose is clear. Then I hold him there with my hand in the small of his back rather than the back of his head/neck area.
It's fiddly, messy, and takes practice. But the idea is that it trains them to open their mouth that tiny bit wider.
We've been trying it for a few weeks and he's definitely getting more latches painless, than the painful ones.

I had that fear with dd2 (dd1 went on nursing strike when I took her off for biting) so I put up with deep shooting pains with dd2 (turned out to be thrush in my ducts) and I dreaded feeds, which made me tense up, which in turn made it hurt more. But once it was sorted things were a lot easier.
if you have a way of relaxing you may find it easier. It's early days and you're both learning. Take things slowly.

Oh dear Frus afraid to ask.... everything ok?

Midwife popped in. I love her. She's like a mum and friend and midwife all wrapped into one spectacular knowledgable woman that I dream of one day learning from and working with. But I digress, she weighed M for her 2 week visit and she's gained a full pound since birth! M also has a rash/raw area around her poor bum and we're thinking that she's reacting to something in my diet. So bummed that I'm probably going to have to cut out dairy again with this kiddo. Can't think of anything else, but going to search Dr. Google about the possibility of strawberries b/c those have been heavenly lately (may have been gorging on them a little ).

Yeah bring I'm okay I went grocery shopping with ds to calm down.

DH was doing his woe is me mountain out of a molehill act over mowing the lawn. And making every tiny problem into a big deal.
And the straw that broke this camels back was on my announcing I was going to get groceries, "oh well I can't do the garden now because I'll have to watch the kids.. Etc Moan moan"

It's good that you have a lovely knowledgeable midwife bring
A lb already! Wow.
I hope dds rash goes soon,

Guess who has just had 4 and a half hours sleep?
I can cope with anything!

Just been looking at photos of N as a newborn. She's so different already. I miss her Brand New Baby smell!

Awh man! And just when I was hoping the dh drama would fizzle out for the day....Mine still (going on 2 weeks here) hasn't mowed our lawn either.

Hooray!!!! Party for Lib! It's amazing how quickly they change and grow isn't it?

bring I'll see your 2 weeks and raise you 7+ (can you tell why I'm angry with him) its a meadow out there.

Fab sleeping lib! Isn't it amazing how much they change in a tiny a mouth of time.

Ds is wide awake, cooing, wriggling, making eyes at me and smiling. I shouldn't really encourage play at 4am, but he's all mine at night. And he's smiling at me, I can't resist that.

I have cramps that feel oddly like period cramps. I really shouldn't have them back yet.

Oh and anyone else having vivid dreams?
I had a nightmare that someone stole my double buggy When I left it in a buggy store room, to go to a beach down in a tiny lift. I don't know why there was a lift, or the beach and sea was indoors. But I woke up in a depressed panic, until I realised it couldn't possibly be real.

Ooooooo, yeah that's bad! Yikes, the bugs must be horrible for you!

Yes to the vivid dreams. I think it's just b/c we keep getting woken up during REM sessions (at least it feels that way to me).

Day two of no dairy. Of course the only things I want to eat are: ANY type of cheese (especially melted and in Italian food), ice cream (or a chocolate malt or a rootbeer float), oreos with a glass of milk, caprese salad.....oh this is going to be tough.

No bugs bring maybe the odd grasshopper, but they're harmless. Do you get monster bugs?
I did manage to do half the garden before it started raining.

Must be a Minnesota thing then. The amt of flies, mozzies and beetles hanging around our house is unreal with the long grass. Grosssssss