March 2013 - gurgles, giggles and going on holiday (for some of us at least!)

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He finally got to sleep at 10.30pm. Thats the last time i do bathtime before bed.

Re: earrings. I probably be the only one that is ok with it. Dangly earrings are a no no though. Mum peirced mine when i was 8 weeks and had studs. I will probably get shot down for this too but we will be circumcising ds but havent decided when.

christi how on earth do you get the time and energy to look after a farm. You rock!

I'm also a no on the earings - in fact rile here will be no permenant physical alterations until DD is at least 16. I think this also helps reinforce the fact that we are made as we are supposed to be rather than bowing to societal norms. But even so, definitely a no for an infant who cannot consent.

Baby earrings = mutilation. Once they're old enough to ask then fine. It's nothing to do with the pain or the possibility of infection or injury, and everything to do with ownership of one's own body. Body modification requires consent, and without consent it's mutilation. Same with circumcision (although oddly enough not many boys ask for that to be done later on...). KFF do you mind if I ask why you're getting DS circumcised? If you don't want to go into it that's fine though; I appreciate it's a topic likely to bring the lurkers out to shout even if the rest of us discuss it civilly.

Dangly earrings on a baby, though, that's just asking for trouble. Even elder niece aged seven doesn't get on with dangly ones, because the weight of them is uncomfortable. (And she only had them pierced last summer, having been asking for ages.)

We're having a bit more joy with the gummee glove than we were a week ago. Partly because this week she's really figured out what hands are for, and partly because I detached the teething ring. That thing's heavy!

Earrings on a baby... Not my thing. I can't see any good reason for it - your baby is pretty enough without any adornments. Later on when they're old enough to look after them properly and actually want them is a different matter. I'm actually all for circumcision though, after going out with a guy who had...err...foreskin issues. Minor operation, in and out on the same afternoon, took about a week to heal. He wished he'd had it done as a baby.

Having said that we're not planning circumcision. We're not Jewish and can't see any health reason to do it.

Miracle of miracles, he's learnt to nap! I can't believe it, I can shower in peace. Had a minor meltdown yesterday but a good snooze for both of us quickly sorted that. Off out to enjoy the rain today, thank god I can finally squeeze back into my north face jacket.

SoYo way to go on the sleep front! Did she sleep anymore?

Vj if you do take the dummy away let us know how you get on. DS loves his and I loathe it, but its the one thing guaranteed to get him to sleep. I'd love to be shot of the thing though.

Christi your sunny outlook is an inspiration. It's lovely to hear how much you love your life. You made me all gooey with that post!

plonko bit different if it's circumcision for valid medical reasons though, isn't it? If the bloke you went out with hadn't had foreskin issues (which I'm intrigued by - tell us more!) would he have wished he'd had it done as a baby?

Yeah he now reckons all of his future sons will be circumcised as infants, mostly because the increased sensitivity meant he got random boners in public places. It was too tight and caused problems with erections and the nurse who was carrying out the std test said it was difficult to swab

Sorry of any if you are eating breakfast

Well I hope he does a spot of research first - circumcision in infants tends to lead to decreased sensitivity as an adult, so far as I know (although how they test that I have no idea). I think the theory goes that if you remove the foreskin you're exposing extra-sensitive bits all the time, and so end up feeling things less (otherwise it would indeed mean random erections all over the place).

I was eating when I read that, but I'm hardcore, I can even eat when the man's mid nappy change.

plonko

If we are going to get that rude about things, I prefer non-circumcised men for giving BJs. I only went out with one cut man and I just couldn't give it my best without the normal skin. I also remember giving an aussie friend of mine a lesson on how to give a non-circumcised man a BJ ("skin, lip, lip, skin" I seem to remember) as I think it's the norm in Australia

I'm actually on a teleconference into an all-day work meeting I normally chair as one of my KIT days. I'm on mute so I can type loudly on MN and can't believe I'm talking about knobs with you!

I fed DD while I was chatting away - thank goodness I didn't set up videoconferencing instead of dialling in - and now DH has taken her out for a couple of hours. and a sitting on my desk next to me.

Plonko she did indeed sleep more. In her cot until 7.10 & then I brought her into bed to feed & we snoozed on & off until nearly 10!!! I'm sure I'll pay for that tonight, what a lazy pair!

I have to say I'm in the anti-circumcision camp too (although I did laugh at your story) because if we circumcised everyone there would be more complications from that than from fore skin complications IYSWIM. It's a whole different story for religious reasons though, much more complicated!

I'm off out for lunch in a minute if I can persuade madam off the boob. I really need to do some exercise if I'm going to keep lunching like this!

What exactly is the point in piercing a baby's ears?? Unless you're openly trying to a) teach them that they're not good enough naturally without jewellery, or b) you think they are an accessory, like a lap dog, that you dress up to meet your own desire to be admired by others?

It makes me very angry that anyone would willingly hurt their child for cosmetic reasons. Babies are not supposed to 'look good'. They are not 'sexy'. Earrings have absolutely NO function other than making one look good, so I actually think it should be banned. If I were a piercer I would point blank refuse to mutilate a child.

A woman at work told me all of hers had them done at birth virtually and when I asked her why, she didn't really know, she said it was just what they did in their family. If you can watch someone firing a thick needle through your baby's flesh, making them cry in pain just because 'that's what you do', then you seriously need to have a word with yourself. And that word should be 'shallow'.

Rant over!

OH quote of the day: ''I thought he'd done a poo but it was just his balls...''

We were actually talking about baby ear piercing at my bf support group. This is run by a Brazilian woman who lives over here now, and she was saying how she has been flamed in RL for getting her DD's ears pierced. However, in Brazil this is the norm. Her view is that sometimes things are cultural (eg circumcision for religious reasons) and that for example the concept of needing bf support groups in Brazil would be laughable because everyone does it and would generally only consider ff for medical reasons... an issue over which i don't get my judgy pants on.

Personally I wouldn't do either. Nor would I start stretching a child's neck (a la Kayan women of Burma/Thailand) or religious tattooing, or cultural scarring etc. But none of these fit with my culture.

Personally, I would want a child to be able to provide consent for any permanent body change. However, I had my own ears pierced age 11 as a treat in the summer holidays before starting secondary school. It was a right of passage, a sign of being more grown up. My mother really didn't want to but I was sure, paid for it myself, and I certainly looked after them myself afterwards. As DH also has a pierced ear, if DS decides he wants piercings in future, we will struggle to deny him!

Got to go pick up a parcel tomorrow which I think should be his door bouncer, hope he'll be up to using it soon - head control is coming on leaps and bounds. (Think I'd been baby-ing him too much and needed to be more of a pushy mum about it).

Did new exercise class for new mums yesterday - good to get working again even if pilates warm down was horrifying from the point of view of showing up how unfit and inflexible I have become! Next week there is also a pramercise group starting in our local park - run by one of the girls in my ante natal class so should be ok for me!

Good lord... I turn my back for 5 minutes and you ladies are talking BJs and boners. Note to self, locate fan and smelling salts before logging on

Before I forget, big thank you to everyone for the blocked boob tips. Tried them all, and after giving the offending knocker a right old pummelling in the bath, and employing a bit of child labour to drain it down I now pronounce myself cured. Sore still, but hey, after what we've all been through sore doesn't even register on the radar. Most grateful though, as left to my own devices I'd probably have ignored it in the vague hope it would go away regards post birth piles with air of resignation

Ear rings - in a word NO. Like why???? . I have enough trouble restraining myself from punching the nurse when she sticks a vaccination needle in the tiddler's leg. May I (just for a change) be really politically incorrect and say small people's ears are not there for cosmetic reasons, and should be left to do their job without the assistance of metal aerials.

As for circumcision, weird this topic came up (ahem) recently on a girl's night out. Don't ask me how . A straw poll revealed that all 6 of us had cut partners, and not one was for cultural reasons. Seems to me problems in that area are relatively common, so there may be very good reasons why someone with a family history might opt to have their son done. A friend was v pi55ed off her mother hadn't told her that her dad, uncles and brother had all had the op, as it meant her son faced it aged 12 rather than as a baby. Puberty is not a good time to have stitches in your knob.... for obvious reasons. I wish she hadn't told me this as I now have to face her son (who is now 21 and a total heart breaker) with an image I'd rather delete

SoYo Love the idea of babiesnet. I keep telling dd to ring babyline when I do something heinous like change her nappy, but I reckon she might find logging on more fun.

Stormy You know that gummee glove teething ring thing? Don't sterilise it. Obviously only a very stupid person would, but if hypothetically they did, they might find that the darn thing melts and sticks to the bottles.

Wing Antiques Roadshow sounds pants. I shall henceforth boycott it on your behalf.

Leni - haha! At the moment I am having poo issues where DD farts but they just smell like poo (as opposed to smelling like farts - you know what I mean!) so I am convinced that she has done a huge poo but no, a nice clean nappy instead...

Finished the teleconference. Bit disappointed that noone asked me in AOB how DD was and for a little update. I've known and worked closely with some of the committee members for years now. Grr!

worse, thank you.

Have any of you ever read the thread (I think it's in Classics now) about 'cutted up pear'? It's like ToddlersNet. I will try to locate...

Here's the thread! If my 3yo had access to AIBU

It's brilliant

Sorry it was me who brought up the circumcision subject but im not responsible for bj topic. Lol. I have a secret. Ive never seen a non circumcised one

We are doing it for religious reasons. Apparently its the norm in US too well so my American friend says.

Worse you mean sterilise the ring in the microwave? I put ours in the milton and it was fine - assuming that's not what you mean!

DS slept for about 4 hours today after doing 8-4 and 5-7 as well. Seems in a much better mood

Still not loving the boob though...

I had a boyfriend at college who had to be snipped and he was told to wait 6 weeks before having sex, but we didn't and IT SPLIT?! So much blood...

SoYo that snooze sounds heavenly! The downside to a baby that sleeps through is no more lie ins. I really miss lazing in bed til even 8am. Oh well, I can sleep when I'm fifty.

Wing I know I threw down the penis gauntlet but you picked it up and ran with it! Haha. Oh well this is MN, it was only a matter of time until things turned blue.

Worse glad to hear you've got some relief. Rock hard sore knockers is a bad Friday night.

Leni ouch! I think we attempted it with great care after 3 weeks. He was an absolute bugger up until then though, off his tits on painkillers and trying to goose me constantly. Needless to say we talk very little these days...

Yeah the piercings thing...dp has an earring, I had my first tattoo at 17 and stretched lobes. I went a bit nuts with body mods in my late teens and ended up with a pierced nipple (it came out a week later). I'd be a complete hypocrite of I said no to a piercing, but he has to be old enough to ask, pay for it and take care of it. As for tattoos...well that's up to him.

Dp decided to change ds's nappy immediately upon hearing him poo. Cue DS still pooing mid nappy change, lots of horrified noises and me in fits of giggles. Needless to say we've opened a bottle of wine.

Leni I put it in the steam steriliser. I put a water filled plastic widgit in a steam steriliser . Stupid doesn't even begin to describe it

I'm suffering from sleep breathing paranoia... DS's breathing seems to get really shallow sometimes, I can barely see it, and I'm now panicked about it. Anyone got a breathing monitor they'd recommend or am I just being crazy??

Worse that's not stupid at all - it doesn't say not to on the box!

Leni I think all parents go through the ARGH THEY AREN'T BREATHING stage in their babies' lives! I haven't got a monitor with the pressure pad thingy but I think the Angelcare one is meant to be best.

(And I'm a bad parent as DD has been upstairs in the basket since 8 and I've not heard her murmur for the past hour but I haven't checked on her as I just assume she's fine and I've been watching Glasto on TV )

plonko I googled "penis gauntlet" to see if I could find a pic to enhance our conversation, but I found this instead!!

Those of you who have had KIT days already, have you found that you were absolutely shattered at the end of the day? My brain is fried!

Right, off to wake DD then bed.fingers crossed for good nights for us all. And this time next week we'll be in North Wales!

Yes wing - one KIT day is all i've managed so far as it took it all out of me. Physically, I was at work and mentally I was going through what I would have been doing were I looking after DD. So I guess I was doing two jobs at the same time, hence exhausted. Pffffft - not looking forward to addressing the issue of returning on a permanent basis.
DD has been great again today although we are experiencing a laxk of interest in feeding. She hasn't yelled for it all day so I kept trying to feed her when she would normally (3 ish hours) but she'd only be on for 10 mins before falling asleep or trying to watch Wimbledon. Am a bit worried in case she's not getting enough, so will go and see the HV early next week to check her weight. Ah, every time she achieves something, it seems something else has to suffer.

Leni I had just checked dd for breathing when I saw your post. I think a baby's breathing can alternate between rapid and super slow and that can be normal.
You lot make me laugh. wing I liked the image of you on a teleconf whilst writing about willies and worse the idea of you Pervinh over a friends son! When did we get old?
Whilst I can confirm that I don't go for pierced babies (think am only woman on planet not to have her ears pierced) I cannot confirm my penis preference. Never been party to a circumcised one. In fact I can't get my head around how that even works.... Sheltered life!
soyo hooray for sleep. It's the start of things to come I tell you and I hope it's catching
worse lovely boob news! Glad the multi pronged attack worked for them.
We had second immunizations today. A week and half late because terrible mother here only realised we needed to when she saw one of you lot mention it a couple of days ago. Oops.
Dd has spent day dropping her duck, realising it's gone and leaning forward to look for it. Therefore think I have baby genius on my hands. It's funny what we have become impressed by these days :-)
Can we do a quick poll to summarise where your lo's are sleeping (grammar police I realise that should be los but that looks wrong) please? I know you've all said but I can't remember. Just trying to decide to move my wardrobe out of our room to fit cot in as hv suggested. Dd's head and feet are pretty much having to curve around to fit in Moses basket so can't put off decision any longer.
dh working tomorrow so have no one to play with. Anyone fancy cake in the sunshine? :-)
Be-jeez look at the time! Night night.

worse shall we make a pact to tackle the piles next?

Sleep has not stayed with us! It took from 8-11.45 to get her to sleep with some huge screams in between! She woke at 1 briefly but no feed &. Now we're feeding.

Eco we're in a travel cot in our room but tonight we're attempting the big move out!