November 2012 - Babies' first holidays: India, Australia, the world is their oyster

[StuntNun]

Previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/postnatal_clubs/1746351-November-2012-In-denial-about-the-six-month-sleep-regression

I agree Pennie. I'm feeling quite stressed today as I used to think I was doing a good job with O but since he now screams with anyone else, I feel like I a shit parent. Doesn't help that I appear to be losing my parents' support on the matter either.

Currently sat in the car in the rain with both children asleep in the back. Luckily I have a nice garden so the view is pretty.

Fatima not regularly back on the horse here - seems a waste of a lie down to me If N ever sleeps again then perhaps I might feel more like it?

You appear to be the bargain queen mm :)

Just a quick update, have been really bad at posting lately, sorry!

Day time sleep has gone to shit. Had about an hour in various stints yesterday and today only half an hour since 6:30am. Luckily night time sleep is ok.

Only done the deed a handful of times here. Hopefully now E is in her own room we can get back on track (whatever that is!).

Tube is out so we are off swimming for the first time. Excited but due to sleep problems it could be a disaster! Oh and tube is only out as she pulled it out!

Sorry for brief post. Be back later.

Period has arrived. Thank fuck. I feel like a bloated whale .

With the whole allergens thing, with O having reflux/cmpi and being so unsettled for so long, I really don't want to take any chances of giving him further pain. I'd rather give him chance to get over all this and just stick to relatively safe stuff.

Saying that, I think we are going to have to go down the lines of BLW. He's clamping his mouth shut for the spoon, and will only open if he gets to do it himself. Except he can't. And the mess is horrific. So I will try finger foods.

Small problem in that his diet is restricted already, so how does one prepare blw food in advance?! Because I don't want to be steaming veg every day, twice a day! Fruit and veg are all he can really have at the minute. In 2 weeks he can have other things, but even then, everything I'd thought of for BLW has been vetoed by fucking cmpi.

So, how do I do it?

Enjoy swimming Eliza! Since this regression or whatever the fuck it is came along, I've been out the house once I think. And I definitely haven't been to any baby groups or swimming.

I just don't want to leave the house when we've had a bad night. Cumulative bad nights mean never leaving the house ever again!

Got a banging headache, and the only paracetomol I can find is up the bum stuff. Fucksake.

no, I am just a member of the quiche

Whenever anyone asks me how I know stuff about weaning, having pointedly not paid to go to a weaning workshop, I sort of dither whilst thinking the above.

Eliza hope swimming is lots of fun! Sorry to hear that naps have gone to shit though. Could she be doing the same as a lot of the quichettes, and wanting to drop the number of naps - but showing it by being a total nap dodger? That might not make sense how I've worded it....

We walked through the pouring rain to baby group - 2 new babies there who looked so tiny, but were both a good 2 or 3 lbs heavier than F was when she was born. It makes me wish I had a sort of plaster of paris mould of when she was born, because I cannot remember her being that dinky! I weighed her and she is now a hefty 15lbs 6 - gone from the 50th to 75th centile for corrected age. And there I was thinking she wouldn't have gained as much because of colds/weaning.

Was it chick asking about nipple biting? In my baby book, it says to unlatch them with a firm finger on their chin, and say quite loudly "no", then make them wait before relatching. No idea if that would actually work, but might be worth a few trys?

I'd be interested in that too Detective. I am currently preparing fresh veg each lunchtime.

Oh yes, and chasing - I think people get frustrated not being able to cuddle babies. I know dh said something quite sensible the other day rare occurrence, along the lines of it being therapeutic to cuddle a sleepy happy baby and that people get great pleasure from being able to comfort a crying baby. O and F, and a great number of other babies I'm sure, just take the greatest comfort from being on their mummys. And it is nothing to do with spoiling/over-indulging/PFBing them.

With biting I used to give them a little tap on the nose and unlatch. Soon got the message. Gently obviously.

I just threw a massive strop at my mum I've been offered an extra shift at work - we desperately need the money - but dp volunteered to talk to the new antenatal class. So i asked her, but she's got ballet and a meeting. She lives three fucking miles away, i see her barely once a week if i go to them and we go out shopping and all the advice i get from her is bout how easy i was, how her mum came round every day, and why isn't he sleeping. I shouted somet about nobody giving a shit and hung up the phone before i said anything stupid like her preferring shopping with friends to helping her only daughter and grandchild. She's been here once to help with housework and keeps dp company on Thursday nights while i work (so, two of them for 4 hours doing what i do 24/7 on a fraction of the rest)

Dp is upstairs with the little guy who is refusing to nap and hysterical with overtiredness, and I'm on the sofa crying with the monitor unplugged and a

Detective, you can cook veg and keep it for three days in the fridge. So if you cooked today, you're good till Thursday etc. so you should only need to cook every three days. This is FSA advice and is commonly used in many professional kitchens for pretty much all cooked veg. Unless you're going ultra high end market with a lot of chefs. You do not need to cook daily if you are using fresh produce. I can't think of a veg this wouldn't really work for.

I use cucumber, dried apricots, pears, carrots etc.

Savoury flap jacks, muffins, oat cakes etc are brill, easy to make and store.

Hope that helps.

pp hugs xx

Fatima squishy stuff like strawberries or sucked toast gets swallowed (mostly), chunks get pushed out again; I suspect J knows how to bite and swallow but not how to chew.

I left allergenic foods until after a year with my first two as well VQ. It was my understanding that the advice had now changed and allergenic foods were to be given any time from six months following a big study that showed delaying giving allergenic foods had no benefit. The big study JJ mentioned is trying to confirm these results.

Chick I always find removing the baby from the breast with a sharp No or Uh-Uh noise discourages them from biting. Be warned though it will make her cry when you make a scary noise at her!

J screams at anyone he doesn't know Chasing. I actually phoned MIL to get her to come round as he hadn't seen her for two weeks and I was worried he'd have forgotten her. Fortunately he was okay. I expect he'll yell at my mum next week as he hasn't seen her for ages.

Sorry to hear you're struggling Pidj it's awful when you can't get help from your parents / in laws of all people. (((Hug)))

Stunt I haven't given strawberries as for some reason I think he will have a reaction. Is that silly?

Going on the potential new guidelines I should be ok to give him peanut butter. But that's another one that scares me. I don't think I have my rational head on.

Det you could roast half a butternut squash and cut off a section for fingers each day? As horsey says veg is ok in the fridge, although can go a bit soggy so can be good to keep things in large pieces. Once you are on to toast you can make soup for him to dip into. Fruit is obviously fine in the fridge, I cut off a chunk of mango/papaya each day and do half a kiwi & some pear or banana. I have 2 airtight containers in the fridge for his fruit/veg.

Sympathies to pidj and pennie for entirely different reasons.

Couple of quick weaning questions for the quiche.

Peppers. I'm guessing they will be too hard for him to digest if they are raw. Should I roast them? Is olive oil ok?

Bread. When he gets to 6 months what bread should I give him? White/Brown/granary?

Hello all

det in my experience (cooking in professional kitchens) cook till done (or just before) and flash cool. Drain really well and store. Each day drain some water. With mango etc. I tend to just cut it up and help myself as we need it. Everything stored air tight etc.

chasing etienne chomped on bread from 5.5 months (thanks to French ladies!) he's had white/French/brown. Not done seeded or granary just because of the slightly increased choke risk. WATCH the salt levels though. I tend to use brown though of choice. Going to try fish today!!! Pita bread and wraps also good. Have a look at the little tasters website. I've not given peppers or eggs yet. Happy to wait tbh.

fatima, no horse riding attempted here. No inclination on either side! Glad I'm not the only one. Maybe when we move T out of our room...

pass, recently started using groclock. Ds1 (2.5) was waking at 5.30 and although he doesn't get up, he shouts for us. Groclock has a sun/star function. You set it to change from yellow sun to blue star at bedtime, and can set time it changes back to sun. Ds1 still wakes early but knows not to shout for us until sun comes on. It works well, he likes looking at it in night. He shouts the second it changes!

Chasing the weaning book I have suggests wholemeal bread because if you give white bread then they'll never eat wholemeal bread when they're older. I use the 50/50 bread because that's what DS1 and DS2 like. I cut the crusts off, slice into fingers and bake for 15 minutes at 160C. Keeps in an airtight container for five days and healthier than risks. You can also spread puree on it if your LO will only self feed but can't manage a spoon yet.

Thanks horsey and stunt . I'm not a white bread fan so good to know I can give him wholemeal. Pittas sound good too. Will definitely try spreading puree on them too. Roll on 26 weeks!

stunt that book has good reviews. Would you recommend it?

fatima very little horse action here I am knackered and have little sex drive, and basically I very occasionally through DH a pity shag or BJ to shut him up.

bp all going well thanks, yesterday was bacon and posh coffee, today I have coffee with a client, lunch with a different client, and more coffee with a third client, all in evil's neck of the woods. It sounds nice, 2 days of eating and drinking, but I was making small talk all day with clients and my boss, and I a fucking exhausted. Plus because of the travelling today, I left the house at 0730 and didn't get home until 1800 when both monsters were in the bath, so I only just got a v quick cuddle with them before bed, and I have missed them. But I did get upwards of 2 hours before I left the house, they are so kind

mm skillz on the eBay bargain.

chasing your planned day tomorrow sounds lovely!