Dec 08 mums - any more for any more?

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New thread! Hope this is ok :)

Beans, make sure you fit some time to relax in!

I am attempting a dreamfeed. We had a particularly crap night last night so seeing if this makes any difference at all. Wish me luck!!

Well that worked. She slept for 10 minutes. Back to the drawing board

Kayz can she eat porridge yet?

How old is she now Kayz?

Kayz's DD is 11 months, I just saw it on FB

Just a quick pop in as I'm shagged (not literally) - inlaws left at lunchtime then I had the 3yr old boy of a friend all afternoon so she could get some urgent work done.

Vag, I definitely want your Barca tips. I have been before but I want to freshen up my repertoire and your veggie tapas place with gin menu sounds amazing.

Aspo - sorry DH is back at work already. And please don't wear yourself out. Be kind to yourself, please.

Same goes for Jam and Beans. What I wouldn't do for a trip to NY...love that city and have dear friends there I never see.

Hope you're ok Rubes.

Right - will attempt to sleep.

Yes she was 11 months yesterday.

Vag, she probably can eat porridge. Not sure if she will though as every other milky breakfast has been refused.

She actually slept from about 11 until just before 4. So despite all my moaning we got some sleep. Now she's wide awake.

I'm glad you had a few hours at least, Kayz. She does look a cutie though.

I am glad you got a few hrs Kayz. Would you be willing to go hardcore on her and put her in a strict feeding routine and do some sleep training. I know how hard this is, do you remember what a nightmare DS2 was?

My DS2 was awful, still isn't great now. He can stay awake until 11 and still be up at 6.

I am not willing to leave her to cry. I might be different in a few months but not now. My friend is sending me 'The no cry sleep solution' so will read that and see if it works.

If I let her sleep in my bed she sleeps almost all night. But if I need the toilet I have to take her as I am scared she might roll off. Also I'd like to get her in the cot.

Kayz does her cot side slide right down? We used to have ds2's cot alongside our bed with the side down & the mattresses at the same leveml. I also rolled up a sheet and shoved it where there was a small space between the mattresses. Generally he still slept by my side but I could always slide him over into his cot if needed and he slept in it no problems during the day without me next to him, as it wasn't foreign to him.

Ds2 was a little older when he started waking a lot more and despite people saying it couldn't be hunger he was starving. So we started giving him porridge before bed and he would sleep through until 5, at which point I would give him a feed and he would go back off again. As he started using words he would ask for an apple at 5am instead of the boob. Funny little man. If you have the resolve to push for the separate cot I think go for it. But I can confirm that letting them safely sleep in with you doesn't form bad habits both boys are great sleepers (excellent at sleeping in on holiday too hooray) at most ds2 comes in around 6.30-7 for a snuggle after his morning wee. They go to bed when asked, the only thing is they like to go off to sleep together, but that is more cos they like a little chat & a cuddle before bed, we think it's lovely. We separate them later and put ds1 up into his bed.

I thought about putting the cot next to our bed but the mattresses don't line up.

There's that new report today about how awful co-sleeping is as well which doesn't help. I love our cuddles but not the all night feeding.

It's a good thing she's so cute.

Sorry Kayz meant my DS2. I do think vags idea is a good one the security of being close to you but with the transition of the cot.

Vag thats so funny about your boys mine do the same. They love snuggling up together. On Sunday night DS2 came through needing a wee at 2am I then put him back to bed and in my half asleepness thought I heard his door open again but he didn't appear so went to sleep then I found him in DS1 bed in the morning.

what was the report? nit sen news today but latest from Helen ball if the infant sleep lab is that once other risk factors like smoking are removed co sleeping safer than being in cot.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-22594587 this one Indith. My SIL took great delight in telling MIL this morning I was trying to kill DD.

Kayz - that study says the risk is for 0-3 months. After 3 months it shows no increased risk of SIDS for co-sleepers. It's making me question having DS in bed with me though as he is only one week. It looks a decent study that has controlled for smoking etc. DS hates his cot but has done three consecutive nights in my bed where he only woke once between 10pm and 7am.

Interesting, but on the other hand this is the sort of thing that Helen Ball has been researching for years. I'll have to hunt out the actual study when I have a minute rather than just what the newspaper has decided it means.

What I'd like to know is have they controlled for infections? One study I read said 50% of all cot deaths where sleeping with at least one parent (one would assume that the other 50% were sleeping in their own cot but they didn't draw any conclusions from that). They admitted that no distinction was made between sleeping with the parents on the sofa (many mums were letting the dads get some sleep so instead of dad sleeping on the sofa mum & bub did!!!), on the floor or in a bed double single or otherwise. Also babies with a respiratory tract infection are more likely to become a SIDS statistic. Often when babies are unwell mums bring them into bed with them. Therefore in those cases it may have been the infect that caused the SIDS not the co-sleeping. Also as arti says little babies are more likely, on rare occasions due to prematurity or just bad luck babies are born without a CO2 response (that is the ability to spontaneously take a breath when the CO2 level in their brain reaches a critical level as a result of apnoea). The other thing that starts the breathing is movement. Babies grow out of this and it is only an issue on the rare occasion that they may stop breathing. Being in bed with someone increases the likelyhood of a baby who stops breathing starting again because the movement of the mum or dad while they sleep is enough to start them breathing.

Does that make sense. If it does Kayz tell your SIL to stick that in her pipe & smoke it!

Arti we had ds2 in a hammock thingy when he was teeny (which you are welcome to give a try if you are willing to pick it up from my friends house in Lewisham) but otherwise would this help www.snugglenest.net/ I've never seen one but a lot of people use them over here.

Isis have posted a nice comeback. infant sleep information source. on phone so can't list. as vag has been pointing out it doesn't look like the best research

Eaten too much yummy spiced lemon sausage pasta. Yummy, but sooooo full! Might have to have a glass of nice dry, crispy white reisling to wash it down. Dribble!

Beans I have just consumed vast quantities of yummy tomato sausage bake. Put a fork in me I am done!

We made a Biryini. It was lovely. I'm still so full up though.

Kayz, just seen your FB post. Didn't want to say it there but you really are the most amazing woman. You just quietly get on with dh being away and looking after your lovely family, when wusses like me would have crumbled long ago. You are made of girders. What a fab role model for your kids. Much love xx

Awww Sybs thank you. I just get on with it I suppose, normal for us now. Xxx

Sybs is right. I really don't know how you do it Kayz, I'd be a mess. Your SIL & MIL should be helping out not criticising.

Feeling so crap I think I've got the lurgy dh had while we were away. Dropped ds1 at violin & didnt go in because I didn't want to give his teacher this cough. Instead ds2 & I sat around the corner in a cafe. It was quite nice he had a muffin I had a chai latte. I caught up on bits & he drew me pictures. It was quite lovely. I don't go to cafés as much with the boys these days, but I should do as it is quite fun. Especially cosy traditional bruin cafés will have to do it more before we leave for good. Give them some good memories of here.