November 2012 - The thread where it all starts to get easier. Pretty please?

[StuntNun]

Previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/postnatal_clubs/1703340-November-2012-Four-months-Oh-no-the-dreaded-sleep-regression

So, talk me through your day and your timings.

contra sympathies, have been there when you are still trying to get them to sleep for first nap when 2nd nap is due!
will share what has vaguely worked for us in case it contains the germ of anything that might help......
putting her down for first nap 90 mins after waking like clockwork; in the first weeks I was trying to sort out her sleep would let/get her to sleep anywhere to get some sleep hours under her belt, iyswim - in pram / on me; once she was napping a bit more, spent a week of putting her in cot for all naps and was religious about only using her cot for sleep so that cot = sleep in her head; loose bedtime routine (bath, jammies, feed, into cot while sleepy but awake); no schedule other than opportunity to sleep every 90 mins - 2hrs, she is 19 weeks and still have no thoughts of schedule, sometimes she naps in morning for 2 hours, sometimes wakes up after 30 mins. she just seems to be wired that way.
oh - I chose to cosleep some nights when I was completely fucking knackered. would feed her lying down and we would both fall asleep. know not for everyone but the thinking was that she needed to get some / any sleep in order to be calm / rested enough to cope with the cot training programme!
HTH and is not granny sucking eggs stuff.....and know it might not at all.....agree with meals sometimes I think there's nothing you can do, they just go their own way!!! babies are so different and it's been pretty hit and miss here. really hope things improve for you soon.

once she does go to sleep at night 11/12 she usually goes til 6 sometimes 7/8 and a few times all the way to 10 she usually feeds and will go back down to 11 ... past 3 nights have been a different story though! I know I should be grateful for these long sleeps but 3 nights without them and not much in the way of daytime naps is taking its toll!

oh and rooty not sucking eggs cos even if I have heard it before is good to be reminded ... only way she sleeps really is boob!

What is the different story the past few nights?

ah I see. then defo have even less of a clue. though fwiw when DD was a bit younger she went to bed at 11/12 anywhere up to 2am and that gradually came forward without me doing anything much, I know others who've said the same. sorry can't be much help really but didn't want to read and run.

right, off to bed, DD has been asleep for hours and I think I've done enough wallowing thinking. sleeeeeeeeepy dust to all, I hope everyone is warm and safe in their beds tonight.

and wellie, hope all is well with you. x

Luis rough idea of my day below but every day is different a month ago when she did nap in the day then she did sometimes have days where she just wouldn't nap and days when she was up all day.
10.30 rise play change (I express while she plays on mat) ... this is in her room she will need to be moved to in 2 weeks.
(sometimes I feed before the above depending what mood she is in/ what time last feed was)
downstairs 12ish and feed...place in chair so I can eat ... play on mat usually feed again (at 1.30 Wed thurs and Fri I pop out or have visitors)... or Monday/ Tuesday I would bath
3.30ish feed again til she has nap on me for 30mins-1 hr ... rock til daddy gets back 5ish
break
try to eat put baby on mat in chair used to cluster feed 7pm til sleep at 11ish ...sometimes dh gives bottle now and sometimes she will play.
in all this when I see a sleep cue yawning rubbing eyes etc I try to get her to nap or sleep usually she will want boob though ...will seem like she is going to sleep after it but wake back up!!

past few nights she has been up at 4am or 5 after sleeping at 12.30 and Thursday night was up every two hours and did not go down...
want her to sleep earlier even if I need to dream feed her or get up with her at 4 every morning!

does she sleep some way other than on the boob? in a buggy, with someone else, rocked?

in the buggy but only after 10 mins of walking and only whilst you walk ... she did manage to sleep the ride home from baby group on Wed ... and the 40 mins she had today was from dh rocking her my dm got her to sleep and place her down fast asleep 7.50 pm on wed and she was back wide awake 7.54!
she is asleep now though so will join her!

Start walking 80 minutes after she wakes up tomorrow then. And good luck for tonight.

contra, you have my sympathies. Only advice I can offer is that with both DSs we found after about 8 weeks, they slept much better for naps if just put in their own cot, away from distractions like TV, and left to go to sleep without shishing, rocking or stroking, which just seemed to overstimulate them. Teddy usually cries for a few minutes before dropping off. You may have tried this though. Ted sleeps for 40 minute stretches in day. I'd love a longer lunchtime nap but I remember ds1 only managing that once older and using more energy with walking etc.

Wellie, big hugs to you, must be v hard for you.

Welcome meals :)

First feed of the night - she's just done 5 hours!

contra we have the same issues with naps. DP has twice managed to get her to sleep in the pram (and stay asleep once it stops moving) but I haven't at all. If she's with me it's boob or nothing and then she wakes if I move - and I have to move as I have a toddler. I do worry she's not getting enough sleep.

Sorry, didn't mean to disappear, busy morning. Thanks for the hugs, much appreciated I have now finally posted on fb but glad to see there's not much activity on here as that would mean you all have beautiful sleeping bubbas tonight Just as long as there are plenty of quiche hugs in the morning lol. Welcome meals and thinking of chasingdaisies, sorry I have been a bit me me me today

boy it is quiet tonight ... 4th night of early wakes now! I'm not going to have the energy to go on a long pram walk Luis ...perhaps dh can.
he got up earlier with dd this morn so I could lie in and was going to give her formula so I could sleep but we had run out (been using cartons to trial it). we had those premade bottles that we have for holidays / emergency so he had to give one of them but had woke me asking where they were
5am again (probably earlier- think it takes her a while to build up to squeak for help).
Dixie need new mattress before dd goes in her own room and dh away this Fri-Mon on a stag weekend was going to try it after that!

This quiche is f awesome, that is all x

suprised not to see chaising daisies on here tonight ... hope it is because you and O are getting some well deserved rest!

I have been here. Frequently. But unable to post due to a baby who wants his hand held whilst feeding. He is slapping me now and waving his little hand at me. Very cute. Plus my fucking phone keeps crashing.

aw vq my dd likes to get her hand held too she sometimes reaches for the phone and touches the screen making it do things ... one of these days she will make me post in the middle of a very awkward autospell!

I was here at 1 and 3 but didn't have anything to say

Ewan has run out of battery feed #1 was 20 minutes with Ewan. Feed #2 was without Ewan and lasted 45 minutes!

I wish I'd bought a Ewan. Too late now.

I was going to say on rolling over, ds1 didn't do it for ages, I think at least 6 months forward to back and maybe 8 back to forward. He also never crawled. Hated tummy time, and just started walking at 7 months holding onto someone, and that was it. His first crawl was actually 16 months but he was walking, running etc anyway by then! Ted also manages about a minute on his tummy. But I want him to be a crawler, as I spent about 5 months walking ds1 round, until he was able to do it unaided, leaning over holding his hands- it was agony on the back!

Kirrin, i borrowed one last week. It's not the miracle some people claim but it does help. I'm going to offer to buy this one from my friend, or will spend a JL voucher. He's self-settling with it more frequently although still waking twice a night for food, and he's falling back to sleep quicker - i was doing hour long feeds twice a night before Ewan, now he's back in his crib in 30 minutes mostly

What a night, we were up every hour. I feel rotten and I think my little monkey too. Sore throat is not fun. It's my big sister's bday today, need to send her some funny pictures of my chubby girl, she is 35 today.