November 2012 - BFPs? Already? You girls are going to have some fun!

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Previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/postnatal_clubs/1693077-November-2012-They-WERE-sleeping-what-happened

I haven't dared give DD1 grapes yet in any shape or form but that could be more to do with laziness than anything else

Thanks everyone, it seems our days are similar to most of you so feeling much better.

Out for my birthday. Hurrah. Have left my friend with ds1 who had a 2.5 hour nap unintentionally - got distracted by ds2 grumbling at me for food, poonami, more food and general sleep refusal. Ds2 then ha a late nap when we finally got out. Oops. Next year i'm taking the day off work and camping out at a spa. It'll make a change from the last 4 years where i've been pregnant or breastfeeding etc etc

Evening all fadgebadgers. Ds has woken five times since bed at eight, only slept an hour total today, can see tonight being cunting hilarious! Have found a first aid course I might go on, it's only a couple of hours but says it covers all of the basics, and it might make me feel better, hopefully! It's £16 so seems reasonable :)

I would get e a jumperoo but he has a door bouncer. He has a normal bouncer and a play gym and a bumbo style thing (he is not keen). I think I maybe spend too much time trying to please him? I'm not sure, I don't want him to get bored but the minute he whinges I give him what it seems he wants and mum said he won't learn to do things himself if I do that. So I don't know. I noticed today when I took off about ten toys from the play gym he stayed under there longer, so maybe he gets overwhelmed by the about 30 dangly Lamaze type toys. He also plays for about 20-30 mins with a muslin on his changing mat. Have recently started leaving his nappy off sometimes and he likes that. If I am ever busy I have to take him about with me and sometimes he grizzles when I'm busy and sometimes he smiles so I guess it depends on his mood.

When do you all go to you LO's? Do you leave them to grizzle or o straight away? I went to get hi earlier and mum said he was barely grizzling and I should perhaps try leaving him or talking to him instead of picking him straight up.

I am really shit shy and suffer from anxiety so haven't taken e to any baby groups. I am petrified of him starting screaming and me not knowing what to do so all those feeling shit, you could be worse!

You are not shit!!! You are the best mum your baby could ever have!!!

Night night fuckers, hopefully see you in the morning and not before.

Bloody hell - hours to catch up - gonna be screwed when at uni!!

lilly welcome, how sad you lost your oh but thank heavens Mother Nature gave you a precious reminder xx - this is a brilliant thread and v supportive!!!

detective yay fab news, glad O is feeling much better xx I take omerprazole for a hiatus hernia

vq, kirrin I have to return to work for minimum of 3 mths or I have to repay mat leave so for the next 3 months its going to be stupidly busy and I'm going to schedule a meltdown in June lol

Please please please don't worry about babies weight/feeding too much/early weaning - TRUST YOUR MUMMY INSTINCT!!! Even if its first baby and you don't feel comfortable with HV/midwife's/drs advice you are entitled to a second opinion and to seek further advice, working in a unit with over 100 midwives I am we'll aware of the huge spectrum of conflicting advice given from swaddling to not swaddling because of over heating to feeding 3hourly or feeding on demand - it all depends on how long ago they trained, their experience etc.... You know your baby better than anyone and if you think baby is ready to wean, then you do what is best for you and baby!!! Rant over!!!

Is it true babies hold their breath when underwater? And who's done it?

glenda it is apparantly true. I haven't deliberately tried it, but accidentally dunked dropped her head in the bath and she was fine...I told dsd that babies know not to breath under water, and she took great delight in sharing that and explaining about reflexes to dh, who is terrified of water. Impressed he was not

evil I was literally thinking the same thing looking on the fb group, and lo and behold, I came on here and you have suggested it. My diary is jam packed as you can imagine empty so suggest a date and I'll check my availability bite your hand off

kyz I too can be shy at times, bizarrely not at work, but in my private life and have found baby/boob groups nail biting, but it is worth persevering. This week was Fs turn to have a melt down, so I walked her down the corridor. Every single baby there has a cry at some point, you definitely won't be the only one.

Have spent the last hour cleaning the kitchen, it's all sparkly and smells nice. I even got rid of the revolting stain under the kitchen sink. Tried to block out all thoughts of what it could be I think I'm doing the nesting I never got the chance to before F came along. Off to bed now with a book, the height of excitement I'm not even joking ladies Night all!

I feel like a v lazy Mum to Jonas other than chatting, singing, having a dance together to the radio, cuddles, giving my hand to be chewed and occasionally reading stories he has to entertain himself with soft toy wrestling, his baby gym, rolling around and watching the world around him. I do like the idea that he'll be able to amuse himself and that is part of my reasoning, but its more that I struggle to cook / clean if I'm his personal entertainer 24/7. Generally am not keen on hothousing babies but each to their own - I like the French view that there is no reason to rush developmental leaps.

I talk to him at first grizzle, move closer and make eye contact if he gets insistent and if it becomes tears or distress I'll cuddle him right away.

Big- I'm busy Monday afternoons, Wednesday mornings and Saturday mornings. Any other time I'm free.

Evil

Evening all!

I've been inspired by all the other lurkers to come out of the woodwork and finally join this thread...I've been following you all since nearly the beginning of the antenatal thread in a not at all stalkerish manner but for various reasons haven't posted before now...anyway have decided to be brave and bite the bullet!

DS was born 12/11/12 so is coming up for four months...no sign of the dreaded sleep regression yet but a big part of me is waiting for things to go horribly wrong!! I am very very lucky that he is a really easy baby, especially because it's been a v hard few months (won't get into it now as it's only my first post but will no doubt be moaning talking about it in the future!). I live in Italy so things are a bit differently here - have been following with interest the talk about bilingual babies/how things are done in France, etc

Ummm...will stop there for now but will hopefully be around in the future. I particularly enjoy sweary Wednesday

PS would it be weird and creepy if I joined the Facebook group? I've been following you all for so long I'd love to put some faces to names shame there isn't a stalker emoticon

Though have just realized I clearly haven't been paying enough attention as I don't remember the name of the Facebook group

Hi Wallino its Nov 12 babies. Welcome!

Thanks YW! Have sent a request though won't have a clue who anyone is unless I see their MN nicknames

You're in luck Wallino, we've all recently posted photos and intros on fb saying who's who! Welcome

vq you say the kindest things and hit me with some lovely items! thankyou

bplp when I feel comfortable I am apparently very funny and tend to make myself known as it were, but in unknown situations I am awful. When at Uni I had some kind of mental breakdown and really struggled. I ended up setting myself goals like getting the bus on my own and going to the shop on my own. Very tiny easy things to do and I am rediculous but I do struggle with them. Not so much now, as I refuse to let e see me this way. Also I have had to ring doctors and go shops for things and I would do anything for my little boy. I know they sound so trivial but I get the feeling one might get when handling a spider if scared I love spiders so it feels a huge success when I manage to do scary things. I can't believe I'm waffling this stuff at you all, I try to keep it as hidden as possible. Anyway, I'd not likely manage any meet ups you all have, as much as I'd love to, but I do like being part of the quiche :) e has been a massive help as I HAVE to do things for his benefit and I am trying to think that way about taking him to a baby group, that it is for him and so I must do it.

yw I thought i would be someone who left him to it a bit more than I do I just ended up not being :( I am trying to leave him a little and just talk to him if he isn't clearly in distress rather than picking him up at his first whimper or he will never learn to entertain himself. He can and does, sometimes. He spent 45 mins on a changing mat with a muslin and a couple of toys earlier! Was v. Pleased but also worried I had left him doing virtually nothing for too long he did have a dummy after 20 mins but he seemed to be enjoying himself still! I take him for walks, try to read stories but he normally moans at me-- play with him, pat a cake etc. may try the tub of water tomorrow, see how he likes that (good idea to whoever thought of it, I forget!)

Welcome wallinomio, our fb page has a lady with a bump and a flower and is nov 12 babies I think

Not sure f I said welcome barefoot? If not, welcome!!

Which I WILL do tomorrow. Before our jags appointment when I have a feeling the day will go downhill and after which smiley pics are unlikely!!!!

Evening shitfaces!

Detective is on top of the world! Slap me if I get too nauseating, okay?!

I'd actually forgotton what O was actually like. Each day was getting worse and worse in terms of his wobblers, particularly anything that involved me putting him down.

This afternoon he has been an utter joy. I have not one complaint! He has also done about 60 thousand new things. I assume he could do these over the last 4 weeks, but due to refusal to be put down, hasn't been able to display them. Also, the giggles. I don't have to do new stuff to get proper giggles out of him. I've spent most of the evening making him laugh! Awesome! I also think he will roll very soon, he was throwing shapes over the play dance mat.

I feel so very guilty. I knew he wasn't right 2 weeks ago. Should have just insisted on the Omeperazole back then. Stupido. I feel like I've held him back and caused him utterly needless pain. :(

In terms of activities, we do monday baby sensory, wednesday if I can get there (it's at 10, bit early sometimes!) its singing and baby bubbles, thursday (I haven't done the whole 3 hours yet) it is 3 sessions, baby sensory, followed by a general mums chat/cafe thing, then baby singing and bubbles again. Friday is swimming, and then we have lunch and a potter around town. Tuesday there is a toy library, I went this week but they haven't started up properly, so they have taken my details. Looking forward to letting O play with new toys and bringing them home for freeeeee!

In terms of play, well, the last 4 weeks have mostly consisted of singing and action rhymes which kept him happy. Now he is back to himself hopefully he has his swinging chair he spent an hour watching cbeebies bedtime hour in it before woohoo! his vibrating bouncer, bumbo, 2 playmats, and a variety too many of toys. Today he has been on the play mat and the swinging chair. He has also been in the bumbo, and I took the musical activity thing off the vtech walker, and he happily bashed buttons and made noises with it.

Today I bought him a tambourine and a maraca. I will regret that, won't I?!

I'm another chat a mile a minute to him. Just inane shit. He loves it. He absolutely adores attention and being talked to, and smiles and smiles and smiiiiiiiiles for anyone who talks to him! Singing too. He adores singning.

I suppose I spend most of my day with him. When he is on his playmat or whatever, if he starts to grizzle, I play with him, if not, I let him do his own thing. I reckon for every hour, I spend about 15 minutes chatting or playing with him.

Ahhh Detective you sound like a new woman! I think the tambourine and maraca are a crazy brilliant idea. Maybe a drum kit next?!

Quick question. Babylaughalot has her 2nd set of jabs tomorrow, has anyone experienced different reactions to these than the 1st lot or did all the babies cope with them the same? Last time she just slept most of the afternoon, and I'm just wondering I'd she's likely to do that again?

Thanks miss I feel like it!

1st jabs he slept better than ususal, 2nd jabs, he slept like normal! No real change!

Kyz I would never have guessed you've had such a tough time of it - you come across as so confident and inspiring. I am sure LO is amused and delighted by you every day. Don't feel guilty about LO doing 'nothing' at this stage everything is new and exciting to them and they have so much to learn much of it you can't directly help with ie rolling, hand eye coordination (though can assist by tummy time, providing stuff to play with). I'm surprised I'm not as much of a helicopter Mum as I thought I would be as I'm a bit of a control freak normally but LO seems to be a chilled out chap like his Dad.

Welcome Lily, Wallino and any other newbies I've missed

Glad things are looking up for you detective

Lily We are raising DS to be bilingual. We are following the One Parent One Language method. DP speaks to him entirely in his language and I only speak to him in English. DS responds to both languages and was babbling away to DP's family on Skype a few days ago. They don't speak much English so it's vital he learns their language so they can communicate. DP is quite anxious about it but I've told him as long as we persevere then there's no reason DS won't pick it up...right?

Erm I'm like yw saying that we do something daily. More for my mental well being. Saying that I'm shit at talking to people. Mainly because people ask about my job and its hard to explain. Though they do ask about ds. I dunno I'm just a bit rubbish!!

So Monday we do sensory, Tuesday the pub, wed swimming, Thursday yoga, Friday meet friends (see Tuesday!!)

We do lots if underwater stuff. They have a reflex, so don't breath under water. We say a trigger though so they 'know' its coming.

Welcomed stalkers :)

Right moan. Why is it so bloody difficult for men to put pots in the dishwasher. Seriously he's getting worse!!! Bins are not emptied unless I do then, recycling not done, cat litter not changed, dogs not walked, washing not put away....oooooooo mad horsey!!!!

Oh and today is not the 7th so we are going to the grave tomorrow!!

Thanks everyone for the welcome!

A quick question for apple and other bilingual OPOL families - do you speak the minority language at home? I only speak English with my DS but have always spoken Italian with DP (unless we're out with other English speakers or don't want to be understood if we're being rude about someone) and find it weird to speak to him in English. So I worry about DS not getting enough exposure a good excuse for watching lots of TV...?!

Strikeout fail!

YW I can't believe the massive difference one night made! He was his gorgeous self from the minute he woke this morning! He's now being a bit more sicky, but I can cope with that!

If he is fine on this, I assume CMPI isn't an issue? Or should it be something I look at?

My mum told me I had reflux and mine went when I was weaned.

DS1 was a bottle guzzler. We didn't own bibs or muslins. He didn't frigging need them. Stomach of steel. Never sick. Never dribbled. Fed like a champ. Fast and furious! He was feeding himself with a bottle at 10 weeks. He would go mental if you tried to hold the bottle. Crazy!

Two such different babies. DS1 was a whinger though. DS2 is not, other than the whole development of the reflux!

Oh, timing of the meds, we've been giving it at 6.30pm. Does it matter what time of day?