November 2012 - Don't forget the tummy time

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Hey all
Still catching up. I'm at the start of the cc debate which is such an emotive issue. We are all mummies and want what's best for our babies and that's what we are going to try hardest to achieve. Donna it's 16 weeks. You do start to forget don't you. I've been taking pictures every week of the little boy so I have it written in chalk in my room and I still forget. I started weaning Ds1 at 16wks. It was recommended to do it between 4 and 6 months. I had a raw carrot in my hand the other day and was going to let him have a taste, but didn't, maybe next time.
My best friend gave birth to a girl a couple of days ago, they didn't realise the baby was breech and she had to stand to give birth.

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I found this and thought of some of your DP/h's

One day a man comes home from work to find total mayhem
at home. The kids were outside still in their pajamas
playing in the mud and muck. There were empty food boxes
and wrappers all around.

As he proceeded into the house, he found an even bigger
mess. Dishes on the counter, dog food spilled on the
floor, a broken glass under the table, and a small pile
of sand by the back door. The family room was strewn
with toys and various items of clothing, and a lamp had
been knocked over.

He headed up the stairs, stepping over toys, to look for
his wife. He was becoming worried that she may be ill,
or that something had happened to her.

He found her in the bedroom, still in bed with her pajamas
on, reading a book.

She looked up at him, smiled, and asked how his day went.
He looked at her bewildered and asked, "what happened here
today?"

She again smiled and answered, "You know everyday when you
come home from work and ask me what I did today?"

"Yes, was his reply."

She answered, "Well, today I didn't do it!"

*it was recommended to do it between 4 and 6 months 13 yrs ago

After a rubbish evening of grumping J decided to give us four hours sleep! Which would have been great if DS2 hadn't come in to us five times after we went to bed. DH was ready to kill him by the third time. It's not like DS2 to be up so often but I'm not sure what's bothering him. It was a different reason each time.

I'm going to go back & catch up but I'm feeling a bit conflicted...

A was doing 6-7hrs for night feeds last weekend, but Tues started waking again. Fine. Not ideal but he had a cold so I.accepted it. Yesterday morning, he woke 3hrly all through the night, and then went 5hrly in the morning!! I was a teeny tiny bit because if he can do it then, he could do it at night!!

So he's really grunting & fidgeting just now. According to my app, its less than 2hrs 45mins since the last feed started. I put the dummy in his mouth - if he could do 3hrs+ during the day, he can do it now, right?

Except now I feel bad. Like I'm forcing him to have a dummy & shut up which hasn't happened actually, because he was still grunting & groaning with the dummy, but has got quieter & quieter sucking it. Logically I know he wouldn't have it if he really was hungry and logically, he needs to re-learn night = sleep, day = feed/play.

I know that but I can't feel it iyswim. Grrr!!

nervous I'm glad you were angry with the nob GP because you know he's in the wrong. Mothers are so often dismissed when they really are the experts,

evil I use a combo of baby massage and yoga to wind LO. Would something like that help?

Sending zcos comrade-ly hugs because that sounds just like my DP

chunky growth spurt? Hormones higher at night so they are programmed to wake at night.

Do not feel bad. We are tired. Well, everyone except PR anyway.

J had two five hour stretches last night, but has woken after three hours tonight. Less activity with the girls though thankfully. I still feel like death warmed up.

Still catching up, I'm at 8.08pm

Purple I love cornmeal, it takes so long to cook, but def worth it
Detective I still use cotton wool. I find them softer and warmer. Use wipes when out
Fruit I only cut H's nails when he's asleep. Can't when he's awake.

cchicken what app do you use to record feeds ? any body else got recommendations? I kept meaning to find one but not seen.one I have thought is good enough to use. ideally would like phone for phone (Android).

I use ibaby feed zcos and it's brilliant

kissyfur is that only for iPad etc? does it record sleep too!
oh and comrades listen to this just popped on fbook as I had been getting alerts about your pics ... my DH has only posted on there that he thought it was bad enough that I was on eBay a few weeks ago but that has been replaced by mn what he wouldn't give for it not to exist or at least not to hear about it!!! ... think he may have thought it was funny we have a habit of taking the mic out of each other ...I'm worse than him! but you know what it made me have a few tears ...I know I don't have much else to talk about but geez! he put this on before the episode I mentioned earlier.

Thanks VQ I did wonder about a growth spurt but he's 11wks and still doing 2.5-3hrly during the day, with a 5hrly morning 1 chucked in to annoy me I think!! He has also been ok mood wise, other than a bit grumpy on Wed. Perhaps we're coming out the other side? He settled with the dummy in the end, went just under 4 & 3/4hrs so obviously wasn't hungry at the first wake. Thanks to DH though I've just had a much tougher night feed - he put the wrong nappy on & it leaked, so a new babygro was needed.

zcos I use Feed Baby Pro by Penguin Apps on Android. It records feeds (boob bottle & solids), sleep, poo, medications, pumping volumes, growth. The trial version is free. I don't time the full feed anymore, because I was getting a bit obsessed with accurately recording the time & ensuring both boobs were used for equal times etc. So now I just record the start time by letting it run for a couple of seconds & then change it to '10mins' later.

detective using reusables here, with occassional disposables. The wipes made him sore - particularly Johnsons so-called extra sensitive ...

Oi, VQ I am tired too. Just not for the same reasons.

I don't like 6am

I'm tired too but my baby is snoozing away next to me in bed, all full of milk and happy. What more could I want?

close to giving up on bf here but don't know if it would make a difference so maybe closeyo giving up altogether?!

over supply issues plus strong let down (have Lll advice) causing bad wind/ gas/ green poo and a lo who can't settle for more than 2 hours but then from about 2:30 or 3 can't seem to cope lying on back so has to be on me - he's not crying for me he's basically straining either one end or other. and then if you leave it it ends up on crying. I have to have him on me propped up with a million pillows but worry so much about something happening. have to sleep in afternoon I can't cope but sometimes I can't sleep :( please some of you who have been here at 7 wks that it did resolve - n how? I have a brio bedside cot I'm thinking of usi.ng now but honestly don'tknow if will help as the only place I've seen him sleep deeply in for more than 3 hours recently is his mother care swing!

hoping I can tame over supply this week :(

sorry you're having a bad time too zcos.

have to say my wonderful Dh is only reason I'm not giving up. he is trying so hard to make anything he can just a bit better :)

clarella although I don't think I have the oversupply/strong let down issues, we have had lots of problems with wind/reflux leading to the same sort of scenario you've been having (see above posts re: poo watch, ahem). I thought we'd cracked things and the sleep side of things too but here I am at 6.30 with a just-stopped-screaming baby. The thing is, despite all my best efforts, there didn't seem to be anything that I could do, but one day she surprised us by sleeping just a bit longer, in her own bed, And once I'd had that teeny tiny extra bit of sleep it made my sore boob and the cluster feeding and the sleeping-propped-up all that more manageable. I think what I'm trying to say badly is that things will get better, I promise. You're doing all the right things. Had you thought about tring to give LO some ebm? Is there someone ekse who could give him a bottle whilst you get 40 winks?

aw thanks bigpig - brought a tear to my eye!

we stopped ebm last week as the battle Dh was having with him during that time was awful and he'd end up coming to me anyway. the chilled out struggle up time from around 7or 8 with me seems to be paying off getting him down to sleep. but then he wakes lots during night - actually hesslept longer with the ebm as was so tired after screaming! it did work from 4 to 5 weeks but gradually got tricky during week 5. I think I may have got some of the over supply from then stopping the morning expression. I'm going to express irregularly til feeding is better though he still takes the bottle which is good. (Lll advice) need to get back to yellow poo heaven!

I know everyone goes through this. feels worse that I'm causing half of it though :(

Sorry to hear you're struggling Clarella. Do you have the cot propped up at one end to help with wind/reflux issues? I can't really advise but my DS2 struggled with oversupply/lactose overload. When I was feeding him he used to pop off the breast and the milk would spray a few feet across the room. He ended up having seven green nappies a day that were mucousy and he was evidently in pain passing them. I didn't know anything about block feeding back then so I just persisted. In the end I decided to wean him early, at 16 weeks instead of 6 months. The green poo stopped within a week of starting weaning. I have no clue whether that was a coincidence or not, maybe it would have stopped on its own anyway but it did stop. With my other two, DS1 couldn't cope with the fast letdown/oversupply so I ended up feeding him using nipple shields which worked okay but impacted my supply a bit, I wish I had known about fenugreek back then. J seems to be coping okay, he has green nappies every now and then but I only give him one side per feed and I did block feed for a while when he was having a lot of green nappies. As he got bigger he got better at coping with the fast flow. I find feeding him lying down on a towel helps as the milk can dribble out the side of his mouth. I also feed laying back sometimes so he's almost on top of the boob so that he's having to work against gravity.

I don't know if that's any help Clarella, hopefully you can get some professional advice on how best to deal with it.

The disturbed sleep is soul destroying - I let LO sleep yesterday evening as PILs ruined her afternoon nap and fed her at 10. And 11. And 12, 2, 4...and at 4 she was just - awake! Gah! Now she's sleeping peacefully in my arms whilst I reposition the matchsticks propping open my eyelids. I do find that the more she feeds overnight the more disproportionately crap the nighrs are, as feeding causes reflux and wind. So last night she slept on me propped up between feeds, whereas if she'd only fed once or twice I could have got her back in the crib.

Anyway, have a good sob and a meltdown, pass the screaming baby to dh and have a bath with the door shut. It helps

zcos sorry you're DH is being a plonker at the mo. you can alwAys come and rage on here

Not too bad a night here. Was DS1 up at 01:27 exactly coughing away and feeling weepy. A tube of unproven and I shuffled back off to bed. Olly was snuffling and spluttering and I thought he might wake but he didn't till 06:45, that seems to be his time. When he wakes in the morning though he just squeaks and looks at his hands until I have got dressed. And laced my shoes.

If he wakes in the day though he screams the place down.

Well, after almost 14 weeks of wishing I could get into uni to attend my lecture, the day has come. Only now I am worrying. I only have be there for one hour, but it is an hour's drive so I will be out for at least three hours. I have about 15oz of ebm for DH to give them while I am out (which should be far more than they need), but I am worrying about coming back to hysterical babies and a slightly destroyed DH :(

That's very considerate of him Sophia

I am loving the sudden interest in her hands, it's a great phase.

Try and enjoy the break Catbag, your DH Will be fine