November 2012 - the birthplosion (thanks Peaky)

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Previous post-natal thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/postnatal_clubs/1579907-November-2012-babies-are-here-at-last

Stats list: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/antenatal_clubs/1485512-November-2012-Stats-List

Had a good night with dd, only two feeds at 1am and 5am but bloody hell ds is such a shit sleeper atm (well always has been) but he was crying in his bed at 10, came in with us, woke up several times, kept trying to stick his hand through my bra strap. I got so cross with him, Q was sound asleep yet I'm being kept awake by a 2 year old who is perfectly capable of sleeping through.
Then he was arsing around on the bed at 5 and woke dd up, I'm sure she would have slept even better had it not been for him.

Went to a & e this morning as A seemed to be struggling to breathe. All fine, just full of snot, but have had VERY little sleep :( Everyone kept saying how tired DH looked - he'd slept soundly from about midnight to about 4.15 when I woke him up!!! I had about 1.5hrs sleep, all of which with DS on my chest...

Going to pump some milk because A isn't feeding much & I'm in agony. I figure it will keep my supply up for when he's back to more than 5-10mins every hour or 2...

GT the best indicator of weight gain is that your baby is consistently following the same percentile line (not necessarily the one they were born on). If they move more than two percentiles up or down then they should be investigated in case there is an underlying cause. You can't limit how much you're giving (unless baby is getting fat) because your baby may be reaching a developmental milestone and need extra calories temporarily. My mum is a health visitor and her advice is to be led by baby and not try and get them to finish a bottle just so it's not going to waste, i.e. when they stop feeding offer the bottle once more.

How is everyone's DP coping with the new people?
I'm a bit worried that DP isn't bonding with baby. Last night he said that he is jealous of baby and he didn't want him. What's a woman to do?

Last night LO was very clingy as he spent all day with is aunt.

Evil

vq If you want him to sleep in the cot, maybe make anlittle nest of rolled up towels and put a t-shirt that smells of you in with him. They sis that last night for F (in hospital) and it worked a treat.

We're in hospital as F got a bit dehydrated due to poor feeding. He's been tube fed overnight with expressed milk (somehow managed to make enough which i was surprised by) and now we're BF again to make sure he's getting decent feeds again. He took a good one this morning and we have to try every 2 hours With tube as back up - not sure he'll be that interested after the last one!

I think we got it a bit wrong persisting without enough top-ups of ebm or formula although all the tests came back normal and showing v low level dehydration not major so it was caught early. I don't care if we give up BF now so long as F is ok. We were on our way to see a BF specialist yesterday in london,( after checking with both the gp and hv this week and they thought he was fine) so we're stuck away from home without clean clothes etc yet. Hopefully we'll be let out today to hv/gp care and can go home. Trying not to feel guilty it ended up like this.

Did not sis

Evil my DH was like that with my DS2. I was so wrapped up in baby that DH felt left out and that he had been replaced in my affections. Your DH may need some TLC. Can you spend some time together without baby, even just watching TV or something? And get him to help you with the baby e.g. asking him to look after baby while you have a shower so he gets a chance to bond. He may not know what to do, you might need to suggest he sings a nursery rhyme or takes baby for a walk around the garden etc.

evil men are often very selfish immature people. They have not had the 9 months of build up in the same way as us, and do not have the hormones etc. if your child were to be threatened in any way then his protective instinct would kick in, but at the moment he is only thinking if what he has lost, not what he has gained. DH, even though this is number 3, is the same. However, the day we were in hospital he was in bits realising how he loves the little guy already. Many men do not relate well to babies until they begin to show their character, smile, gurgle etc. sometimes it takes until they can talk, or at least do things with them. He will come around in time. Try not to take this on as your problem. Your main responsibility is yourself so you can care for your child, then your child, then him. That will not change, but men do not like to be pushed out. The idea of spending quality time together is good if possible. My DH knows that ain't gonna happen!

jims thank you for that. He did have two good nights in his cot before his latest growth spurt. I have tried with rolled up blankets and mummy smelling things. I think at the moment it is food related, and so does the HV. I never had this problem with the girls, but they are all different. I am also loving having him in with me, so maybe he is picking up on that. At the moment I would happily turf DH out and keep J in with me. DH is driving me insane!!!

jims sorry you are back in hospital, but it sounds like it is for the best.

chunky glad LO is ok. DD2 is poorly today with a horrid cough and slight temp. It means she is less crazy though, so every cloud....

What did folk get on the Amazon Black Friday thing? I completely missed it this year.

We're being let out - hurrah! The dr was lovely and said i shouldn't give up on bf just yet too if i don't want to so feeling a bit better. F just taking an ok feed too. Will just top up more next time if he stops taking ok ones.

About to hit the bourbon biscuits left by my husband to keep me going before he comes to pick us up.

evil I concur with Stunt , and VQ, some hard come by quality time is important. It is easy for us to get wrapped up in our children and loose sight a little of our relationships. A good old cuddle will probably be worth a lot. We just got a bung in the oven curry last Saturday and watched the Inbetweeners movie and had a good laugh. It was brilliant.

As you can see it doesn't take a lot to entertain me these days!

Anyway, I just keep reminding myself that my children are leant to me to love and to bring up the best I can and then send out into the world. DH will be with me forever and I must nurture that too as when they are all gone we will be left alone...........finally!

Xx

sophia my heart just sank reading that last post! I do love him really. Usually anyway. Grr!

Chunky thinking of you. It sounds like our LOs have the same lurgy. Poor possums. I think being born in November is a raw deal from an illness p.o.v.!
DH is totally out of our bed-I sleep with baby and he's in spare room to jump up and deal w DD and DS if they need attention. Works for us. I find baby gets freezing on her own too so I end up snuggling her. It's lovely really and I think if you've read the advice about safe cosleeping it's no less safe than any other way. After all as a species we must have coslept for many more centuries than we've been using cots!

Thanks belgrano & vq. He's much better today, far less noisy breathing & feeding slightly better this morning. He's not dehydrated but isn't taking as long at the boob as normal. I figure, he gained over a lb, he can 'afford' to not gain as much, as long as he's feeding, little & often is fine. He is a hardy little fella!! But you're right belgrano being born in cold/flu/bronchiolitis season is hard on the little lambs.

belgrano I am so torn over the co-sleeping issue. I have wanted in my heart to co-sleep with all three, but dh has always been very against it, and my logical head thinks of the risks. The older two were summer babies and were so noisy in their sleep. They were happily evicted to their baskets in the nursery (with movement monitor) very early. They always settled fairy easily as far as I remember, although DD1 used to cry a bit to self settle. DD2 ate so much she was always drunk with milk so slept like a log.

I have read quite a bit about co-sleeping safely and have a few ideas. I have said to DH we need to talk about it in depth. There is no way he would sleep elsewhere, so I may need to sleep on the floor in the nursery. There is no room though without moving his furniture out. It would need to go in DHs office, which he would not like. I guess that is his choice though.

The inlaws may visit tomorrow, and stay a while. I need to plan! No I don't, I need to not give a shit.

We're co sleeping just because I get SO much more sleep that way. I will really try to get her out when she's a bit bigger and capable of sleeping through.
I've seen the effects of what happens if you co sleep and never try to change it, they still come in at 2.4 years!

Hallo.

Well, we had a tough night of demands for food, projectile vomming, more demands for food, crying and continue. I have never seen so much liquid come out of something so tiny - poor wee sausage. At one point she gulped down about 50ml in a few minutes and then hurled it all over me, her and the bed. So at 4am DH was trying to satisfy the endless hunger of a baby being sick while I changed the bed linen. From waking at 1:30 she finally whimpered herself to sleep at 6am.

After 9am having had a wee bit of sleep I had a brainwave and checked the teat on the bottle - the whole second half of her feed (projectile sicky half as opposed to just a bit whiny first half) had been with a size 2 teat. I think she had been gulping it down so fast that she was throwing it immediately afterwards but was still hungry.

The projectile vomming was awful to see then having to leave her whimpering in her basket made me feel like a dreadful person.

Anyway! We are all fine today with P sleeping soundly on her dad.

I wanted to ask for some advice on two different things:
How do the formula feeders organise using powder?
Wee P has really dry feet - the rest of her is lovely and hydrated but she has flaky feet. Any ideas how to fix them?

Crawling on to thread... broken and exhausted, but very much in love with my little boy.

I have no chance of keeping up - the boob/cuddle monster just doesn't give me any rest!

I need more hours in the day!

Congrats Detective Enjoy!

Congrats detective welcome to the sleepless post natal thread!

Welcome detective has he got a name yet? And we are all dying to hear what happened!

Oops, it is on the other thread. Off to read

COngratulations Detective

Pass I use premade stuff overnight and out and about. Powder at home. I'll eventually just use powder apart from going out. I just to need to build up confidence in the powder.

I make powder feeds up on demand. The companies all say it's fine to make up more if needed, just cool fast and store in the fridge. However, I make it when needed ATM. And use premade stuff the rest of the time. I have got a powder container so I could make it when out.

Congrats detective!!

Dh is fab with the baby he likes spending time with him. Think he'd like more time with me but accepts life has changed and that it's a new normal.

Thanks horsey. We have been using premade stuff at the moment and have bought some wee cartons for taking out with us. I will look into making up bottles in the morning and heating them as we need them.

I am very excited to see detective on this thread!