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November 2012 - the birthplosion (thanks Peaky)

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StuntNun · 13/11/2012 09:56

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ValiumQueen · 19/11/2012 15:08

Right now....He has been in his cot three nights now. I was not sleeping well as I was fearful of squishing him, and i was getting dangerously tired, so decided he was going in his cot. I told him this. 'You are three weeks old now Jacob, and you are old enough for the Gina treatment'. I got him used to the cot for daytime naps first, then at night simply kept putting him in it to sleep. The first night I used a hot water bottle, but soon thought fuck this Grin he is in a gro bag anyway, so not cold. The hot water bottle worked lovely when it was hot, but by 2am it was colder than the cot.

He is in his nursery, and I have a movement and audio alarm. He is banned from my bed unless I am awake for the day, so from 5.30am if DD2 is around. I only go into him if he is in obvious distress. He can self settle it seems, but does yowl a little on first stirring. Babies do come into light sleep every 45 mins or so, and if parents respond immediately, then they will wake up more, feed etc, and likely need soothing to sleep each time.

He is settling into a little pattern. Feeding for an hour, awake for half an hour, sleep for two, and repeat. I am finding if he snacks he does not sleep so well, and he was snacking all the time in bed with me. He would go into light sleep, stir, yowl, have a tit shoved in his mouth, not eat enough to fill up, and then be more likely to stir etc. the better he sleeps, the better he feeds, the better he sleeps etc. he easily gets overtired and cannot sleep in the lounge now. I am, unless going out, putting him down, usually awake but tired, in the day and night in his room.

Wind remains our biggest problem. He would sleep longer if wind were easier to shift I am sure. At night when I pop him down in cot, I go to loo, get a cup of tea, whatever, rather than going back to bed. It is easier to go back to burp him or feed him further if I am not all snuggly in bed.

The first couple of nights were really hard and I nearly cracked. I accepted I was gonna have a shit time, and chose the weekend to do it so DH would be around in the morning and I did not have to be anywhere in particular. I was probably averaging putting him down 6 times before he slept, and this was repeated after a two hour sleep. It was worth persevering as it worked with him (hopefully). Not all babies will respond, but i figure if they are tired enough and fed then they will sleep initially. Breastfeeding has to be pretty much established before you even try as in the first few weeks they are hard wired to be near you to feed all night. DS is also a good weight, and was term, which is a consideration.

Last night he went to bed with the girls, and went down first time. Not so easy overnight, but today he has gone down first time with naps.

My mobile broke, which is probably a blessing. I think it was a distraction. He seems to be quite a focused baby. Eating at feed times, sleeping at sleep times, pooing at nappy change. A mobile can make them think it is play time.

Of course tonight will be shit after posting this.

It was lovely sleeping in my bed with my husband and not having to worry. I look forward to when it is for more than 2 hours at a time!

ValiumQueen · 19/11/2012 15:12

Eventually not initially.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum · 19/11/2012 15:17

evil sending you unmumsnetty hugs. We've all done / will do something similar.

petit hope your LO is ok. Very sensible to come home and to look after yourself too.

Congrats cacacaz.

DH back at work today, but DD at nursery, so having cuddles with DS and in between doing lots of chores and feeling productive. A colleague came to visit y'day and apparently there is a lot of crap going on at work, the person scheduled to cover me until May has resigned, there are threatened redundancies etc. Am trying not to worry and trying to remember its not my problem as am not there, but not that easy.

horseylady · 19/11/2012 15:22

Vq lol at the 'right jacob' conversation!!! Interesting. I think you're right with the acceptance of tiredness. That's what we did this weekend.

I've just talked through my birth and post birth. I feel happier, well more understanding. It might not happen again, if we have another. Feeding is just one of those things, not helped by the mws but as so many have said, thank god for formula. Also good to know he was stuck, he wasn't coming out without intervention. I was right in what I was feeling. I wasn't being a wimp. In all circumstances I did everything I could. Onwards and upwards.....

YellowWellies · 19/11/2012 15:31

Horsey I think you are probably one of the toughest women on here - you were so fit and healthy in pregnancy whilst the rest of us me were snoozing on the sofa - there is NO WAY you should think yourself a wimp. I'm glad you had a chat about it and are able to stop beating yourself up xxx

ValiumQueen · 19/11/2012 15:53

^^ wot YW says!

I will never forget the day I heard a 2yo DD1 shouting 'mummy help' from the kitchen. I went to investigate, and found her with her hand stuck in an open tin can that had been put for recycling. It was opened with the jaggedy edge, which had then been pushed down. She did not have a scratch on her. I aged 10 years.

DesperateHousewife21 · 19/11/2012 16:34

Congrats caz!

We're on day 10 now and def seeing a growth spurt in progress, I have a baby who likes to feed ALOT!

We registered her today, she is officially Quinn Emily :)

ShellyBobbs · 19/11/2012 16:53

We also have an official Tommy Dylan Angus after registering him today. I will also punch the next person who says 'Angus, really', and gives me their WTF eyes. Have had it off both mothers and my dad asked what's with all the silly names Shock, wouldn't mind but he's the Scottish one Hmm

Passmethecrisps · 19/11/2012 17:10

I think those are awesome names shelly. Screw everyone else.

evil everyone else has already said what I would but I wanted to add my virtual hand to the holding. Every single one of us will have some sort of accident with baby and we will feel awful. Today my DH very nearly dropped LO on our oak side table. She just sort of rolled in his arms - if she had rolled out it would have been dreadful. I had a nap earlier and jumped myself out of sleep at the thought.

Working in child protection I am familiar with the anxiety of immediate contact with SS. I also know that this is almost always purely routine and nothing to worry about. That's easy for me to say but if you can take any comfort then know that noone from SS will be judging you.

petite you must feel really helpless. LO is in the right place and you did your job as mum. I really hope that you get a healthy and happy LO back at home very soon.

Passmethecrisps · 19/11/2012 17:16

I managed to cry all over the midwife today - Completely mortified. We had a relatively difficult night and I was completely knackered and wound up over expressing all the time. I convinced myself that my supply was dwindling and the constant feeding then expressing cycle was leaving me no time to actually interact with LO at all.

She persuaded me to have a go at putting LO to the breast and we have had a wee breakthrough! We managed to get her sucking for 20 minutes which is fab. I am not convinced she was sucking and swallowing fully the whole time as I had to supplement with expressed to get her to settle. However, we have made a small step forward so I feel more confident attempting it for her next feed. She is currently sleeping very soundly and looking angelic. I will need to wake her up soon I think.

horseylady · 19/11/2012 17:19

Thank you but I didn't feel that way. And the more I read other birth stories the worse I felt. However what I felt, the damage to him etc. Meant that he was not coming out unaided. I also felt I should have fought more him on the ward but didn't. She said next time I will and next time I'll be more forceful and getting intervention earlier if I need it.

It's made me feel happier. It's made me feel happier about having a second as well.

YellowWellies · 19/11/2012 17:32

Awww Pass well done to your wee one - she'll pick it up in her own sweet time. I'm now only expressing once a day for a nightly bottle from his Dad - so the endless pumping, sterilising, bottle giving cycle is over with. It won't last forever. What a clever little miss for figuring out suckling - she's well on her way now.

Evil don't beat yourself up - I nearly drown Jonas on a daily basis as my let down of breastmilk is really forceful (even in upright feeding positions, and after I've let some out by hand) and he literally coughs and chokes with me slapping him on his back. I feel awful! The hardy soul still comes back for more thank goodness.

Horsey I think as first timers we don't know what it's meant to feel like so it's very difficult to know when to ask for intervention - if you've never done it before how can we tell if it's going wrong? Be kinder to yourself Mrs. I was glad that the decision was made over my stoned and knackered head to just get him out with ventouse - I was beyond even basic instructions by that point. I'd have another tomorrow if I could steal a midwife from the Kirkwall Balfour maternity unit to be a night nanny Grin

Passmethecrisps · 19/11/2012 17:37

horsey every time to mention your birth experience I get furious on your behalf. It sounds like you were in labour in the 70s. I knew LO was stuck and no amount of pushing was going to shift her - I could just tell. The midwife gave me a couple of goes to try after me saying I felt she was stuck then offered me assistance. I was also very gratified when the midwife very kindly said I had been right to ask for assistance as LO's compound presentation, great big head and my small stature were all working against me. Now, don't get me wrong, of course she would have come out eventually but my pushing stage was limited to a sensible hour which, I believe meant I could recover more easily and start to bond. Who wins by keeping a labour going when everyone is in distress?

Anyway, I don't know what I am really trying to say but wanted to empathise.

Right, I need to get myself all nested on the sofa ready for some serious booby time. Midwife suggested a wee bowl of cold water on standby with some cotton wool. She said gently wiping her cheeks and brow with this will keep her awake. We shall see!

PetiteRaleuse · 19/11/2012 17:47

Am back from the hospital again. Nt much change really. Still has a temperature, sats are ok ish, but needs oxygen when she sleeps. Hate hate hate leaving her there but at least was able to give her a feed and a cuddle. The doctor says if there is no deterioration she should come out tomorrow and we should watch her closely, but if her sats drop again like they did last night she will stay in another day....

I'll call later on and get an update but have to admit that I am looking forward to a night of uninterupted sleep. Hve only slept an hour since First thing Sunday morning.

Titsalinabumsquash · 19/11/2012 18:10

petite I'm keeping fingers and toes crossed for a swift recovery for your girl.

For those who have stopped bleeding post birth, how long did it take? Another thing I can't remember from last 2 times!
I'm getting somewhat frustrated Blush but I'm not into dtd when bleeding. Grin

PetiteRaleuse · 19/11/2012 18:17

Thanks Tits and others who have sent their good wishes. Am sat on my sofa feeling massively guilty about leaving her on her own at the hospital :(

Tomorrow night I am going to sleep at the hospital if she is still there. Don't want to walk away from her looking so tiny under those wires and in such a big cot again. Though I might change my mind when I get there tomorrow of course.

In answer to your question I am exactly one month post delivery and it's still ongoing, but not very much...

YellowWellies · 19/11/2012 18:29

Petite hen don't feel guilty she is in the best place and they will take good care of her. I know it's so hard - my sis' heart broke every night she had to leave her wee girl in teh NICU and go home alone (for two months!). Go to bed early and have a long and uninterrupted night so that you are in tip top form to look after her when she's home. Fingers crossed she has a good night. Lots of love to you all xxxx

DesperateHousewife21 · 19/11/2012 18:33

petite glad she is doing well, fingers crossed shed allowed home with you.

PetiteRaleuse · 19/11/2012 18:39

Thank you :) I'm aware that people with babies in NICU or even on the ward she is on are going through much scarier things than I am.. She's basically got a cold which has turned a bit nasty. So I don't see why I am a wreck over it, as she is in no danger at all.

I'm just selfish and want her home and want not to have to go to hospital anymore. This hospital saved my life last year but I have some very bad memories of time I have spent there...

GTbaby · 19/11/2012 18:42

Not selfish at all petit. Big hugs to u n lil hugs to LO

YellowWellies · 19/11/2012 18:43

You're a wreck because you're a loving mum!

YellowWellies · 19/11/2012 19:00

Cheeky wipes arrived today - I love em and just had a tear free nappy change so I think Jonas agrees. Ta for the recommendation ladies x

Jims · 19/11/2012 19:03

chunky horsey and pass thanks for your replies re weight. Sounds like you had a similar experience to me with number one chunky. I saw a lot of baby sick the first time round, it just used to flow out of him even ages after a feed. My husband is telling me this time to just not get him weighed as it stresses me out, which is also what the breastfeeding support group woman said to consider too today. My instinct is he's fine but i have a strong feeling he'a going to drop centiles until he finds his own one which will bug me.

vq sounds like you've got the cot thing sorted. I'm still co-sleeping in week 2 as i can't be bothered trying to settle him in a moses basket, i'd rather get the sleep. And he does sleep well next to me. We'll have to try next week as my parents are coming to stay for a week to help out and so we won't have a spare room for me to sleep separately. Unless my husband sleeps downstairs...!

In other news my sister-in-law had her second baby today only 11 days after our second. The firsts were less than a month apart too. It's definitely not something we discussed first!

Jims · 19/11/2012 19:13

Oh and petite i hope your LO gets better v quickly and comes home soon. It's just horrible when they get sick.

Was it evil's babe that fell out of bed? I think that's a rite of passage! And try not to worry about a referral to ss. I had pnd with the first and they auto refer for that here. I never actually heard from them once though despite worrying myself silly about it at the time. Not really what you need to be told when suffering with anxiety and pnd!

GTbaby · 19/11/2012 19:45

Who mentioned 45min sleep cycle! It's true it's true. Well out by 3mins. But don't know what to do now! Ignore crying? No can't do it. Will have quick cuddle then put down