These babies are going to be calm, easy and sleepy at all the right times, and we're brooking no argument about it!

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In here ladies - the other thread was getting full up so I thought I'd better start a new one.....

Will do some links to / from this thread but in the meantime please make yourselves at home

Grrr bloody DH. We've been getting on really well and he's even said how hard he appreciates it is to look after both boys on my own etc but then he comes home tonight and picks up on the one thing I haven't done which was that I hadn't actually put away his clean clothes just folded them and left them on the bed. Pretty livid as i've wrangled two tired boys today, baked shortbread with DS1, had a friend over for playdate and lunch, two loads of washing, washed up all previous baking and lunch all without too much cbeebies and no time outs.

Grrrr I know its Monday but I'm having a

FFS. I fed DS to sleep at 7.30. Ten mins later he wakes up coughing and starts crying. Twice I cuddled/rocked him back to sleep but as soon as I laid him down he started crying. I called DH to take a turn and went downstairs. I hear the crying get louder. Come back upstairs to find DH lying in bed with DS next to him, playing Rumer on his iPhone. Right. That's obviously going to work then.

I have just fed DS back to sleep.

The Transfer approaches. Here comes nothing.

X-post Hawthers. Grr indeed. You've had an amazingly productive day! Why can't our sodding husbands put away their own clothes?!

Why can't our sodding husbands work the washing machine too? And why is putting away any clothing, but especially the vast quantities of childrens' clothing solely the mothers responsibility? Here here.

We've been getting on better too hawthers probably because I've made am effort and there's been some SFF, always cheers him up

pet not sure how well the dairy challenge is going. He's only had the first step, the half a petit filous size yoghurt. Then wait three days and repeat (according to my advice anyway). He's grumpy, and has been crying and extending after some feeds but not all, so no conclusions please, please PLEASE be fine with dairy

Super busy day scream, good for you pressing on while so tired. Hope DD feeling better tonight so you get some sleep.

Thanks pomme, hadn't even thought of ready brek/ cereal with soya milk for B. I thought babies couldn't have it, for no apparent reason, so he had ready Berlin and soya milk and mashed banana for breakfast and loved it!!

Persevere cakes, at 14 weeks DD sat in her bouncy chair in th bathroom and watched me shower happily if i sang like a loon and washed at the speed of light . Now i shower in the evening, no chance of it happening in the morning now, too chaotic. Especially now, as of today, DD has started belly flopping the babies/ needing constant supervision around them... Why now?!

My triple buggy has a puncture. Like, a huge one, tyre nearly off the rim, all down to one side, had to haul it home. FFS.

Oooh Hawthers and Pet I would have been seriously cross in either if your positions. I hope you made your feelings known to both of them! I think dh's forget how hard it is to look after kids - must be time your dh's did another solo stint

I have to say DH is quite good about putting washing away, even the ds's, although he does grumble when we have to sort out the tumble dryer in the evening. And technically, if I've had the washing out on the line all day and then finished it off in the dryer, it's not really my fault if it takes until the evening to finish! Although sometimes it's just been in the dryer for a while if it ends whiles I'm doing tea and bedtime for the boys.

Washing machine though - he did put it on that 90 degree wash and then was a bit as to why I was so .

Sorry I've not been posting much - been busy with the visiting family. But they go today so normal service should be resumed.

Can someone please tell me whether S will just 'get' sleeping by himself?

I'm losing the faith.

He wakes up every night at 9:30 ish, then 11:45 ish, then between 1 &3 then 5ish and sometimes up from then. It's never been better...
But 3 times recently he's gone to sleep in his cot with his comforter dog thing by himself . I'm so, so tired though. B usually up twice, but often disturbed by S I think...

oh dream its so depressing isn't it? A wakes at about 9.30pm too but its a dummy/monkey/ewan thing very quickly. Then 11.30 for feeding. Then 3-4am for more feeding. Then sometimes at 6 or straight through to 7. Sometimes there might be a 2.30am one in there too.

Occasionally she knocks in an amazing one wake up night.

I too have not had it better since she was born but still feel tired!

Thats great that he's learning to sleep with his comforter though - that is great progress.

F was hopeless for ages varying from one wake up at 3 to being up every hour it two and then suddenly got it at about 8 months (hope I'm not dangling a carrot). Really hope a and s improve soon- not much comfort now but everything is easier to cope with after some sleep.

still in an estate agent limbo but we are now waiting to see if vendor will carry out critical repairs to house before we decide if we need to walk away. my lovely lovely dad has said he will loan us £11k if we decide to go ahead to help with the works, bless him.
I will try to catch up tonight/ tomorrow if possible but have a list of jobs as long as both my arms and electrician is coming tomorrow for rest of week to pull the kitchen and bathroom apart so if I'm not on for a bit thats why. My phone doesn't like mn but can fb quite happily to will post there if neccessary.
Hope everyone is ok and not too exhausted

Hawthers did you do any sleep training or change anything much, or did F just suddenly start sleeping?

Dh's delightful behaviour continues... W*nker

Nice day out on the Thames with the boys. Got the bus in, took them to the Tate modern, had lunch and a wander along the riverbank. DS1 good company so all very jolly until DH shat on the mood via telephone.

Didn't do any sleep training apart from giving f a chance to settle himself if he woke in the night. Pausing to see if the shouts were ramping up or not. Also gave up bf around the same time ish so just cuddled him back ro sleep if I did go in. Not sure what made the difference. Poss a combo of not feeding him at night and not dashing on immediately. But basically no idea what changed

Today I managed to eat breakfast and shower without DD screaming and been out for a walk. I also managed a proper lunch and gave DD time out on her sheepskin trying to play with her rattle with her. I think that classes as a good day she has still screamed on occasion too but I think a better day so far for both of us.

hawthers your day out sounds good shame about DH

Still posting on phone. Same as you Ninja, it seems to manage FB ok but struggles with MN. I really hope your house stress resolves quickly for you one way or the other.

Hawthers your day sounds fab! Sorry your DH has spoilt it. Mine can be the same at times. I've had a good day with kids and he's just walked in and before anything else he's moaning about how many lights are on and that the kitchen is a mess.

Will try and post more a bit later, DD's just had a poo explosion.

scarlet I feel your pain. DS1 on half term so I have both boys on my own all day as he doesn't nap anymore. DH just thinks because I can cope better now he can pick up on the bits that I haven't done and then tell me I don't understand how hard he has it prick (am just venting here before he comes home so I can be dignified and rise above

is Ewan the sheep awesome then? i remember some discussion about it a while back and have been thinking of getting DS2 one. thought it might help DH as well for settling him for naps and bedtime when I'm working.

the only problem will be that DS1 will want one too because he loves anything cuddly. sleeps with approx 4358 toys.

Bloody DHs! How dare they criticise? Had a big fight with mine today because I was unreasonable enough to want him to drive into town after work and pick me up from the city centre, or, alternatively, wait at work until we were finished shopping and Mum could drop me there on her way home. It's maybe half an hour straight home from his work, and coming to fetch me would have added an extra 20 mins or so to that, maybe a bit more because it would have been rush hour. He wanted me to give up on the shopping trip and get myself and M plus car seat, giant broken handbag and swimming rucksack on a bus to his work by 4pm, with no sling, coat or phone (have lost mine). Mum had a buggy in the car that I could have used, but that would have been another item to wrestle with. Or else he wanted either Mum or DSis to drive 30 mins out and 30 mins back to take me home. In the end he hung up on me because neither of us would give in. I wound up borrowing DSis's car to come home in because I knew she wouldn't be using it and there was no way on earth I was giving in and meekly trailing off on the bus. And he's still sulking, even though I was so pleased with myself for solving the dilemma without letting him win that I came in all pleasantly and chatted away and cooked dinner.

M is wide awake, grr! It's an hour and a half past her usual bedtime. She is really chirpy atm, too, so I don't think bed is imminent. And she's been sick all down her sleepsuit and over the sofa.

is Ewan the sheep awesome then? i remember some discussion about it a while back and have been thinking of getting DS2 one. thought it might help DH as well for settling him for naps and bedtimes when I'm working.

the only problem will be that DS1 will want one too because he loves anything cuddly. sleeps with approx 4358 toys and every new one gets added. guess what he brought home from Ikea. one giant cuddly vegetable, now residing with the Disney menagerie.

busy day post Ikea today, DH in storage building frenzy. will be nice to have my cds all alphabetical again after we exceeded capacity...also to declutter some other stuff.

DS1 hasn't napped for days. aaaaaaah.

acquired nice starry snow suit for DS2 in Sainsbury's, thanks for the recommendation, ladies. :)

DH v good at putting washing machine and drier on, only really likes putting towels and stuff away, novd clothes.

no idea how much DS2 waking up, I've been lazy and kept him in beside me when he first wakes till just before DS1 wakes.

so much sick and getting weed on today.

thought my phone hadn't posted earlier, oops!

first wake up not till 2am - woo!

have just discovered he's done a poo while feeding and gone back to sleep - boo!

he's totally going to wake up and need more feeding when i change it. wtaf is with all the night pooing?

Cakes well done! :)

Jaggy I feel your pain. Disastrous night here last night after DS had a nappy leak during his 2am feed. He totally woke up during the nappy change and refused to be fed back to sleep. And no clean sleeping bag (spare was drying) so I brought him in with us. Just got him to sleep at 4am when the cat leapt onto the bed, all perky, wanting to be stroked and then let out of the house. He wouldn't be ignored so DH ended up letting him out and spending what was left of the night on the sofa with the dog. We are all knackered today.

Btw am impressed with your alphabetic CD arranging! And bless DS1 with his cuddly vegetable!

Too I hope M slept well when you finally got her into bed.

Hawthers have you made up with DH?

A has a hell of a cold and cough. Just been to the docs to get her checked out - all fine just a bad cold. Keeps her up all night though!

On Friday have a big night out planned to a concert with two friends. its quite a way away, Ive got saddled with driving, it'll be really late and Im totally regretting committing to it. How to get out of it?! Issue is a sat night meet up I would like to do with the same group!!

This is getting ridiculous. For the 3rd day DS is crying as soon as I put him in his cot. He will only nap on me (or in the car). I don't know what to do. :(

Pomme can you explain that A is ill and you can't do 2 nights out as you're knackered?