These babies are going to be calm, easy and sleepy at all the right times, and we're brooking no argument about it!

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In here ladies - the other thread was getting full up so I thought I'd better start a new one.....

Will do some links to / from this thread but in the meantime please make yourselves at home

depends on the type, mine had a mouthpiece that went in. i think my friend might have had a different one for her wee DD. .

Yikes Dream sounds like you're in for a tough night getting them to have that . How on earth are you supposed to get a baby to agree to that?

No way Jaggy. Why on earth have they discontinued it? I only discovered it a couple of years ago and I rely on it now! I know my local mothercare stopped selling it about a year ago, then I found it in Sainsburys. Last time I tried to get it though it had disappeared so I asked and the staff member found some out the back for me. She said there was only 3 left and that they were no longer going to be selling it. She didn't bloody say though that it was no longer being made or else I'd have bought all 3 . I just thought I'd get it from another Sainsburys...

What is this Napisan that you speak of? I've heard of it but thought it was what was used for soaking re-usable nappies in. Can in go in the washing mashine like the Milton stuff?

OMG mashine????

Napisan is for all 'biological' type stains etc i think. I've never heard of a Milton equivalent, but sounds like I've missed the boat there anyway

What is the Milton thing called? Although I suspect even with my prolific Internet shopping expertise I'd struggle to find something that isn't manufactured anymore

Milton Antibacterial Fabric Solution

i last got some from Tesco direct! it was the last one in stock on the site. I've totally relied on it too since DS1 was a baby. they offered no explanation for discontinuing it the feckers.

the 'napisan non bio' stuff is a powder and I've just used it in the wash like the Milton stuff. it goes in the washing powder bit instead of the conditioner bit though. it's definitely in sainsbury's here, not Asda though. buggers haven't built me a local Tesco yet.

A friend had a baby nebuliser for a bit for her ds. it had teddy bears on to try and entice. strangely enough he was fine with it - about 16 months though not 6!!

Hope it works and helps dream. Your dh must be some use here though?

Sooo...dd1 has been a PAIN IN THE ARSE all day. Massively. No temp or anything though. She now has 4 chicken pox type spots again on her torso. Im thinking shingles and she's been fighting it for ages??? So wasnt mild cp last time? She hasn't infected A, my friend's baby or anyone in her nursery or pre school classes. Surely weird? Think gp tomorrow am for some attempt at explanation - not expecting a lot as I seem to only come across shite gps in my life.

yes, theirs is like a mask hold over their nose and mouth. So you shake the inhaler, stick it in one end of the spacer, hold over their nose/mouth, then 2 puffs of the inhaler and they take 10 breaths before you take it off. Needless to say, it hasn't gone quite like that here. We will have a better attempt in the night I'm sure, as that's when they're working really hard with their breathing and their wheezing is worse. Bedtime was bedlam anyway tonight, so we didn't attempt the full fight... DD LOVED doing it at about 13 months, she just loved breathing in the mask

So, my weaning problem-
They were doing great with rice cakes to suck on, they'd tried bits of banana at playgroups fine, and spoon fed fruit and veg purees pre the epic diarrhoea (which my mum has now asked her paediatric dietician colleague about who says we needn't have stopped all solids, that was bad advice from the GP, grr)
so then we had 2.5 weeks with no solids. Now I'm having huge issues with gagging. We have stopped all finger food after S went blue choking and gagging on a piece of banana- so glad dh was here, he had him out of his highchair and had to go to back slaps and everything. Proper, proper scary, I was ready to ring 999. Unless it is an Ella's Kitchen pouch of super smooth puree or petit fillous (sp?), S just gags before he gets any down. He's gagging even on the pouches (wasn't before weaning break I don't think, or not to this extent) So tonight I tried ready brek made really runny with ebm (as B not on dairy yet) mixed with ella's kitchen apple and pear puree- so I thought it was very smooth, but not quite as smooth as the pouch. First little taste, S gagged and threw up. Tried again, same, plus crying. Let him suck a spoon while I gave B some, tried again, masses of gagging, puking, then refused any more. So he got exactly none down. B managed quite a bit, but still with loads and loads of gagging

Help!?! What should I do?! I'm a little worried as my mum asked the paeds dietician at my request as soon as I realised I could badger an actual qualified professional for help and she says they really do need more nutrition than milk alone from 6 months, and early results from the EAT study my friend's baby is on (so hears about way before the reults will be confirmed/published) etc etc all point towards early weaning being better and necessary for iron in particular. So I was really keen to get them eating pureed spag bol etc asap. I tried making spag bol today, and I've just pureed, and I've probably added too much water blending to try and get a smoothness that might do but its still nowhere near what S can manage and doesn't taste so good any more, bit watery... Gah.

S still isn't feeding well anyway, boob I mean, so I guess solids is too much to hope for... Had to express 4oz after morning non-feed for comfort!!

Could this just be because they're wheezy, chesty and full of mucus?? What should I do slids wise now? They've been coughing 2 weeks, so its not like I'm expeecting them to be better that soon even...

*solids
ah, too many mistakes to correct!

pomme how odd. Apart from being a PAIN IN THE ARSE and the spots is there anything else unusual?

Oh Dream you poor, poor thing. That makes your already stressful time even more stressful. I would guess that it's the mucus that's causing the gagging but I would seriously consider pushing for a paediatrician appointment I think now.

1.You think your GP has given you shite advice

1. Your boys have been unwell for a while now
2. S doesn't sleep
3. You are now having weaning problems

Forgive me speaking if you think I'm speaking out of turn. I'm just putting myself in your shoes and wondering what I'd do. I can't help but wonder if the fact that you're married to a GP gives you a sense that you shouldn't be bothering anyone else with all this. But really, enough's enough now surely?

I had the gagging/puking thing with DS and had a HV round my house to observe him eat, he was that bad. She couldn't suggest anything other than maybe he had large tonsills proportionally. Maybe get someone to check that out?

sorry about my appalling grammar. I've had a glass of wine and not much to eat, it's gone straight to my head.

Dream I hope I've not upset you by suggesting that. I don't for one minute expect a paediatrician to find anything wrong, I just think you could do with some advice and peace of mind from someone knowledgeable.

BTW my DS's paediatrician appointment is next week and I don't really know what to expect from it, I just figure it can't hurt for someone who specialises to check him over...

Definitely an element of the 'oh they're fine, just wait and see' from Dh and even today listening to the boys the doctor just says 'what does your husband think?' . I wanted their opinion so lied and said he'd not had a chance to examine them that's the point in taking them, he's their dad not their doctor and its hard to keep perspective with your own. The nice GP who saw DD with her chest infection said he'd rung paediatric registrars in the early hours of the morning over his own children when he'd lost all perspective. Cheered me up immensely .

Oooh, meant to say, I had the wierdest vivid dream. I was running late to pick DD up (from where I don't know, I'm never without her ) so pomme let her wait in her car for me til I got there. So I arrive with the boys, and DD is sat in the backseat of the car with pommes DD1 and the car is a pale blue, immaculately clean and shiny Jaguar and the only thing that seemed odd to me was where A was and that pomme said her car was really scratched/dented so it was clearly brand new or she was exaggerating about the car damage!!!

I think its really sensible to take a step back and look at it all scarlet . And bloody S just woken up for the third time already... It's just hard because its likely all just because they're ill, but if the gagging like this persists you might be right. It's tempting to ask my paediatrician friend who I already asked over the diarrhoea and who reassured me that though not normal It's not abnormal as such for a Lo to have it so long etc etc but someone looking at them not vague advice might be better.

Is it likely that your DH's job can mean that his own family has a higher chance of becomming ill? Particularly with viruses and suchlike? I imagine he comes into contact with some nasties daily so could be a carrier for the viruses? Does it work like that? My sister is a teacher and she gets every bug going. She carries on regardless as I imagine your DH does but maybe it has a worse impact on the DC?

There's not much you can do if that is the case I suppose. The bright side is that hopefully once they're all school age their immune systems should be stronger than average. The weaning thing and the sleep thing is a seperate concern though so maybe some specialist advice on that would help at least?

dream this all sounds bloody difficult. Obvs I have no experience and certainly no pearls of wisdom but I'd be at my wits end too and requesting referral if I could.

I have just woken dd for a feed because I'm awake and otherwise she'll wake me up for one in an hour naughty mummy.

No brooking super hard for DTs! Poor little guys (and poor Dream)

Having a stressful night here (although nothing compared to the Dream household). DD has been distressed all day/night. It took 90mins of proper crying, followed by ibuprofen, to get her down at 9. The dreamfeed was delayed to 11 as a result and still went well. However she woke at 1.30 (before my second planned dreamfeed at 2) and has been inconsolable ever since. It's so unlike her to properly wail. I think there might be a tooth coming through, but this time even the ibuprofen isn't helping. She's been crying for 2 hours now and I'm just about ready to join in. Where has my awake-but-happy baby gone?!?!

Sorry for the mememe. Just tired and I have no idea what to do. I think we'll be up all night!

scream, I'm up with a howler too... Took hours to get s down then b has started. Have you done Calpol too? Has she got a temp? Unexplained/ unexpected crying is super stressful

Inhaler update- b not keen, but with luch persistence I think I finally got 7 breaths taken. Near enough (he's got a bear one too, think he's a bit little to be swayed by a teddy bear on his spacer though!)

Did we clarify, is it actually possible to die of tiredness? :(

How do people with colicky babies do this every night?! Let alone two refluxy babies like Dream?!?! I'd just like to double all my No Brooking going out to those who are up every night with unhappy babies.

I think little A is just literally going to scream until dawn. I have never felt so hopeless as a Mother as I do right now.

Of course, there's no real reason to assume she'll stop at dawn. She might just cry for the next 24 hours, or week, or month. Is it possible for a person to wail forever?!?!

Ooooo, I missed the post from Dream! I think the verdict is in, it is definitely possible to die from tiredness! I think I may be hallucinating already...

So glad S managed a few puffs on his inhaler though! Poor little man. A thousand medals to his persistent Mum!! If there is any karma in the world I think you must be in line for a MAHOOSIVE lottery win, after the last 18 months Dream!!

Sorry! It's B who's taken a few breaths. How is S getting on with it?

aw sorry you've had rubbish nights too.

dream, i agree - euromillions for you, possibly without even entering.

scream hope the wailing stops.

except for about an hour, i think I've just slept sitting up tonight. also done lying down awake

R stayed asleep for about 1 minute when i put him to bed last night. we then gave him nurofen and i fed him to sleep again. he was v restless and asleep so i thought I'd better sit and make sure he was sound. cue me falling asleep sitting there till about 1am. ouch. i then fed DS2 again and put him to bed. i think he slept for about an hour, but i was lying awake. :( i then heard him stirring and went through and got him settled by just putting my hands on him in the cot. then lay awake for another hour.

we've just had mostly waking up and me sleeping sitting up since then. topped off with a 6am poo when i discovered he'd also leaked wee. again. now feeding. again.

supposed to be visiting in-laws today. i just want a nap.

sorry for whine

Oo ill take the car dream! Happy to have helped!

The dietician at the hospital was a huge help to me with a and they were nice even when I forgot to turn up to the second app and we did a phone call instead. The hv refered me - might be worth a shot?

What does your dh think about everything or is he overwhelmed too?