These babies are going to be calm, easy and sleepy at all the right times, and we're brooking no argument about it!

[Biscuitsandtea]

In here ladies - the other thread was getting full up so I thought I'd better start a new one.....

Will do some links to / from this thread but in the meantime please make yourselves at home

Brooking that TeenyMunx will have put on the prescribed amount of weight by the time the HV sees him, and that he'll have let you get a bit more sleep!

Yay for normal poo resumption in the Dream household! Brooking for your DD to get well soon.

of Hawthers. Although M wasn't too bad - did a 4 hour block, 11.30pm - 3.40am, which was pretty good.

Went for a walk this morning, came back through the village and discovered that tomorrow is a baking competition in aid of meningitis, run by a neighbour. So we promptly headed off to Tesco and DH is doing scones and Victoria sponge, and I'm doing this. Bake fair etiquette - do you just take scones down as they are, or do you split them and fill them with cream and jam?

I dunno about the scones, Too , but I'm happy to help you and DH tidy away all your baking afterwards.

Well done to Hawthers' boys and awww for little E just wanting someone to hold his hand!

Ooh, looks yummy too . I'd sit on the fence and take cream and jam and hope someone gave me a heads up once I arrived, I think. Is that feasible?

I feel like the meanest mummy ever holding down screaming DD and physically forcing her to take abx. She won't remember this, right? :( She's miserable, and sleep all over the place, can't get her down til now ish or later, then up loads but may sleep in my bed 6-8am... S really wheezy and whiney. Coughing til he's sick +++ I had 3 full changes of pjs last night, him 3 bags. Seriously, I'm miserable. Plus sore, sore almost has me in tears to touch it boob. Again!!!!! Think its as s not interested in feeding often and on/ off like a yoyo, plus B joining in too quite a bit. Is it going to get better for us anytime soon because life is not good here, its just not. Tired.

Right, now I've whinged to an extent s would be proud of I'm off to bed, as they're only ever really briefly all asleep atm.

Btw biscuits, if you fancy a swap for your E I'll hold his little hand. How gorgeous.

compared to dream i have no right to do this, but if i don't rant somewhere i'm going to go mad...

DP's folks are here to help out with lifting 32lb DS1 until my 6 week post CS check...but they are driving me nuts. His Dad keeps going out for a fag and leaving the door open so the house starts to get cold and the heating kicks in, meaning our bedroom is turning into a sauna...and he keeps sticking his fag buts in the kitchen bin so it stinks in there, we are a non smoking house... and then he keeps going near DS1 after he's had a fag, and often picking him up, even though he stinks of fags.

then there is his mom. She is trying to be helpful but she just winds me up. Silly things, like she refuses to put things in our dishwasher, and won't use the green fairy that we use and bought blue fairy today instead, and she put a tea towel for washing earlier, even though it is perfectly clean just bloody wet because she refuses to use the dishwasher...i pointed out that there is no need to wash it unless it is dirty, as we don't do a boil wash that often, only when there is enough of a load, and i only washed all the teatowels/dishcloths 2 days ago! She also bought a tiramasu and a lemon tart for us to have as puddings whilst they are here...but she knows full well i can't stand coffee and i've told her umpteen times that i don't like lemon tarts but every single time we've gone up to theirs she's served lemon tart and now she's bought one here. She also gave me 3 boxes of chocolates for my birthday but 2 boxes were alcohol flavoured ones and again i've said several times i don't like them

to be continued....

dream - glad poo is better at last, just hope DD and boys back to full health soon and staying that way for a long time!

nothing exciting here. DS2's second tiny tooth through and he's sitting up quite a bit now. feeding a bit less during the day, still up a fair bit at night though. could be the teeth and slight residual snot though.

can't believe he's 6 months next week!

need to move him in with DS1 and get started with some food before i go back to work. think tonight or tomorrow night might be the last one with my psb in beside me think we'll give it a few nights/a week before starting food too.

really hope my wee guys get on ok together. DS2 adores DS1 and watches him all day. DS1 is really sweet with him and tries to cheer him up if he cries. hope he doesn't try to wake him up though - he said to me today. (after charging about noisily and stopping him getting a nap) "he's awake! i do like him awake mummy"

sounds a tad inconsiderate loopy! after birth you're allowed to be annoyed by anything, i reckon the smoking would annoy me the most.

scream this is totally random, sorry in advance if it's annoying! I'm not sure if i was being pfb with DS1, but i had it in my head that it was A Bad Thing to feed babies a bottle lying flat in bed? i remember being at DH giving DS1 ebm in his crib as I'd read it was a risk for milk going into tubes it shouldn't and causing ear infections. can't search well on this phone to see if I'm making it up though

had lots more i wanted to add, but need to transfer DS2 to bed, tuck in DS1 and tackle another washing mountain. yay. i have though.

Right. Bad night here (though not compared with Dream's - am sending much sympathy your way, my love). Tired. Up for the second time already. DH managed to settle DS at bedtime, then I fed him back to sleep just after midnight, then he woke only an hour later! So I did ask DH to have a go at settling him. Didn't work though - I found him on the landing 'looking at the pretty light' with DS, having removed his sleep bag to check the nappy. All very conducive to sleep.

Anyway, Loopy all that would totally drive me mad too! Does DP feel the same way? Could he have a word?

Munx forgot to say earlier I'm no brookng that DS will have put on weight well and latches well from now on. At least your nipples are ok (aren't they?)...

Jaggy DS1 sounds so sweet! Good luck with the room transfer. I'm sure it will be fine. Oh, and two teeth already? Wow!

And a housework update: on Thursday I went food shopping. On Friday I made macaroni cheese. Yesterday shepherd's pie. Had to turn food off both times to feed DS. When do you all do your cooking, and what do you do with the baby??

Oh dear sorry to hear of so many bad nights in Brookersville :(

Ds2 is having a pretty rotten time of it tonight I think with his teeth. He's been so grumpy all day poor little thing. DH got up with him probably an hour ago and it's taken both of us most of that hour to get him calm again. He's now at least laid in bed and biting holding my hand. I feel so sorry for him (although I also wish he'd drop off to sleep )

DH has to work tomorrow which means I've got to take ds2 with me to a party ds1 is going to. I'd hoped to leave him here with DH to have a nap after lunch as it is 12-2 and at someone's house so no highchair or anything. If I give him an early lunch I suppose there is a 1% chance that he'll fall asleep in the pushchair on the way round? I really would rather avoid 2 hours of trying to jig him off to sleep while a load of 4 yos dash about!

Oh and Munx I think DS2 did something similar re latching on. It was like he learned how to do it and then got really lazy and would release his latch so he was right on the end. He did sort it out eventually and I used to try and take him off if possible and make him re-latch. But then sometimes you'd be sitting there thinking 'I know you're too tired to latch on again so if I take you off you won't feed properly, and if I leave you on you'll ruin the feeding equipment. And I never figured out the answer to that one!

He did figure it out though. And was fine until now, at 7 months, he seems determined to push the boob away with his hand while feeding so he ends up right on the end. It's making me want to give up it all a bit more painful at the moment and I hope he stops soon!

I would really like to go back to bed . Am feeding him now as I was just bored of him lying there without sleeping!

Hi brookers :)

How fab to be able to join the graduates' graduates' thread at long last? :o I recognise most of you I think. I've not met petwoman but that's a fab name!

Another one having a pants night - though made so much better by dh baring the brunt of the screaming because I'm an emotional wreck when my poor dd cries because i feel it must be my fault. dd has awful awful wind and winding her doesn't seem to be helping much at all :( I'm going to start chugging fennel tea tomorrow and the mw is coming for her day 5 too, then there is a bf cafe Tuesday - i just have to not crack up before then

I hope everyone else is sound asleep and this message isn't seen by anyone for aaages :o

I'm here fluff

Great to see you!

Sorry you are having a bad night, not a good one here either.

DS just brought back whole feed bit wants back on

mornin fluff. nice to see you.

hope screaming has settled down. :( no idea what to suggest, i think my answer to everything at that age was to try feeding again

DS2 been doing his daily 5am ish wriggle and grumble. making me a bit nervous for going back to work that he'll be awake and wanting fed when I'm trying to get a shower and breakfast...

Morning to the new post grads - congratulations! Please waft those totally cute newborns over here for head sniffing. My 9 month olds head smells of the previous meal mist of the time as he usually manages to mash it into his hair :o

munx brooking that the teenymunx is doing some lovely feeding and the weigh goes well. We had weight gain problems so I totally feel for you.

fluff when are the pil going home? Try and do a smile and nod if possible. If its getting too much combine that with working out in your head how long before they leave in days then convert to hours then convert to mins then convert to seconds. Find that helps to totally tune out any 'helpful' comments. Add up all the nice puddings/chocolate that you're missing out on and start a list of all the lovely things you are going to make your DH buy you eat after the pil have gone so you don't have to share them

Hellllllooooooo Fluff lovely to see you . Poor DD with the wind - DS1 was a bit like that in that I could never get anything up by winding him. I can't think of any helpful suggestions though because I can't really remember what we did about it

All I can remember is that because he couldn't bring the wind up we used to have to bend his legs up and down to try and help it out the other end.

What is the fennel tea for?

There are things like Infacol that you can try. Infacol I think is supposed to bring all the little air bubbles together into bigger bubbles to make it easier for them to burp. Don't know if there's a minimum age on it though.

Definitely ask the mw though if she has any tips.

Oh and remember our mantra:

'This too shall pass'

Must go and jump in the shower - I want to actually have time to do my hair today so will have to do it before the munchkins wake up

Oooh good advice for dealing with the in-laws there Hawthers. Especially the pudding list .

fluff horrendous colic/ wind for DT2 here. Having him up over your shoulder and back rubbing/ patting did nothing for him, having him sat up with your hand cupping under his chin and really firmly stroking up his back so it extended his back fully was the ONLY way he could get it up. It didn't solve the colic which I now think may have been partly cmpi and we still had 5-6 hours a day of crying but it did help the really frantic wind crying. Definitely try infacol. I was never that convinced by it but some swear by it. for you, I remember that period a bit too clearly

I feel a lot better today. S was up 10:30, 2 and 5:30 and though up a while each time slept 2.5 hours both times!!! Bliss. B up 10:45, so a cross over with S then up for the day 6:30, no other wake up . DD only up 11:30 and we had just got S down so Dh went. Best night in 6 nights here so feel bit more human but still knackered.

DD slept better and seems more lively so far, so think her antibiotics are working.

loopy use the fecking dishwasher woman and shut the bloody door fil!!! God, poor you

Sorry got fluff and loopy mixed up

Re the smoking just shut the door and lock it behind him then go for an extended bf which you can't possibly interrupt and also gain selective deafness to the knocking on the door perhaps give him a pot to put his butts in so they don't come in the house and use the v passive aggressive 'after smoking for so long of course you have no sense of smell left so you cant possible appreciate how much it stinks the house out....'

You could add 'even the smell of that rank coffee dessert your wife buys can't neutralise the smell of the cigarettes'

Ooh nice one biscuits :o

Morning, am trying to decide which child is going on eBay......

Scarlet how was your lovely lunch? Hope you had a fab time xx

I love the PIL advice from Biscuits and Hawthers! All well worth a try! Sending lots of hugs to Loopy, I know a thing or two about annoying ILs!! Breathe deeply and store it all up to dump on your DH when you're alone! Or maybe don't considering how that turned out for me!

Hooray for a slightly better night for Dream, and your DD improving! Hope this is you turning a significant corner!

Jaggy I hadn't heard the ear infection thing re feeding a baby lying down, so thanks for mentioning. I'm not too worried because DD always bfs lying down, and she's never had any problems with wind, reflux or ear infections. She's nearly 6 months now so I'm hoping it's unlikely these probs will start now. Plus I always give her a proper feed whilst she's on my lap. She just has a little bit of milk while lying down. Over the next few weeks I'll be gradually diluting her night bottles until they're just water anyway. I want to eliminate night milk before her teeth come in.

No brooking for Munx and Fluffy to have easier nights very soon! Sorry to hear about the wind probs Fluffy! Fingers crossed for miniMunx's weight gain. I hope Cakes is getting on okay.

I shouldn't whinge, I'm very sorry, just feeling a lot little upset right now. DD spent the night with DH, because she's going swimming with him this morn. It was my first night without her since the work training course, and it's been so hard. I was up most of the night anyway. Really missing my morning snuggles even though I'm usually too tired to appreciate them I'm sorry to be so negative, just feeling a bit hormonal.

Hi Fluffy - I gatecrashed this thread after DS was born. It helped to keep me sane reassure me in those awful early days. Pleased to meet you. Is DD your first DC? Really sorry to hear about the wind - hope you find something that helps pronto.

Biscuits did feeding work to help DS2 to sleep? :( about the teething. Does calpol help? Hope he manages a good nap for you somehow at the party (or before/ after?).

Dream glad you had a better night.

Munx