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Oh poor D, Wants! Poor you too. fecking HCPs not picking it up! How long until it's healed, did they say?

Hawthers and Pomme, hugs for you too. This too shall pass...and Dream, you too. Pomme, I think feeding to sleep is starting to be a problem here too because if M's not hungry she doesn't seem to understand how to settle. Last night we had a few seconds of sucking, then she would yank her head away and wail loudly, then turn back to the boob and repeat. I walked her around the house for hours (8.30 to 11), interspersed with offers of boob, and she was just inconsolable. Eventually DH held her in front of the mirror, rocked her and sang to her and after about half an hour she finally fell asleep. The mirror was because she is fascinated by her reflection atm - she makes faces at it and grins!

Will also be trying Scream's sleep tips - bottom patting isn't something I've heard of before but it sounds magic!

Scarlet, brilliant news - well done you and DS! You must be so happy to have that over with.

Jaggy, M also likes to have her hands up by her face when feeding, digging into my boob, scratching me etc. When she was littler she would make determined pounces with her mouth to try to latch and wind up attached to her own wrist. It was v cute. What about feeding lying down, by the way? If you're so tired you fall asleep sitting up, why not just lie down in safe co-sleeping mode with R and then when you fall asleep at least you don't kill your neck?

3 months, Biscuits! I know, I can't believe it either. Yay for getting the 12 week jabs done. We haven't even got an appt yet, much less had the jabs. She's due them at 15 weeks because they were so late with the 8 week ones. Am beginning to wonder about phoning the HV to check they haven't forgotten.

M doesn't seem to be hitting growth spurts in line with E anymore. She was following him exactly before. Am worried by this - we haven't had one for a while. What if she's not developing properly? I got the MN 3 months email today and promptly panicked that M isn't holding things yet, apart from my hair or top. When she wakes up I shall offer her small things that she can grip one-handed.

Aaaaaaand...did I mention she slept from 11.30 pm to 7.20 am last night?

aw, poor wee D! glad it doesn't seem to have distressed him.

Oh no Wants how distressing for you. Poor little D, but thank goodness it's not caused him any pain.

Today is neverending. DS is playing me up big time, DD can't decide from one minute to the next whether she's hungry or just wants a cuddle. Either way I've barely been able to put her down. I feel sick with tiredness and am already dreading tonight. (I do realise that Dream, Hawthers and Pomme are having it worse but I feel like having a moan).

Pomme I tried to express for the first time the other day and was so disappointed. Was a complete failure. Half an hour to get 3/4 of an ounce. Any tips anyone? I'm using a Medela mini electric pump that's been leant to me.

I let D nap on me this afternoon as he didn't get a chance to nap at all this morning! Every time he stirred a bit I did bottom tapping and he settled again so it seems to work! He slept for 1and a half hours so obviously needed it! After a quick nappy change and loo stop for me it was time for another feed so I am back in the chair! DSs have been bringing me drinks and snacks:)
Thanks for all your kind words so far.
They didn't give me a time scale for it to heal too

scarlet you are having the same kind of day as me. DS2 getting himself too worked up and screamy to feed and DS1 refusing to eat actual food and not having his nap. had a visitor today and had kind of timed it for nap time. so instead she had to hold screaming DS2 while i changed DS1's poop nappy. it was my boss visiting...

i still haven't had a go of expressing to practice for back to work. also have done bugger all to get ready for our holiday which is in 5 weeks.

Poor d wants hope you are ok.

scarlet similar day here with three DS1 poops in pants to add to the mix. Operation regulate naps for DS2 hasn't really worked. Early night all round me thinks

Scarlet, can you express as DD feeds on the other side (in rugby ball hold)? Really helps get the milk going. Haven't tried an electric pump so not sure how bulky they are. I've done that with the Tommee Tippee hand pump - which, by the way, has a ridiculous ridge running round the inside of the shell so milk runs out of the shell and down one's front rather than into the bottle, grr! Sorry, irrelevant tangent. Is there a time when your boobs feel fuller than others - as Dream says, after your baby's longest sleep? That would be a good time to try with the pump in one hand, baby in the other. Be warned, though - siphoning off milk the baby expects to be there will result in cluster-feeding as she works to replace it.

Oh no, Hawthers, three poos?

Jaggy, how ! Still, I expect your boss understood. How are you feeling - do the steroids seem to be helping, or is it too early to say?

What an embarrassing spelling mistake. Of course I meant lent. Blame the exhaustion.

Sorry to hear you're also having bad days Hawthers and Jaggy. Hawthers you have my sympathies re the pooey pants.

i think i won't find out till i get a blood test again. the ladies on the bruising thread reckon I'll be on the steroids for a while then have to wean off them slowly.

Too thanks for the helpful tips. I never really get that full feeling. But I guess the best time could be first thing in the morning.

Ouch Wants . Poor DS3. Really hoping that it heals quickly for him.

Hope everyone else is ok. I have no words of wisdom for expressing. Like others I found it a complete waste of time not overly productive with ds1 and so have vowed to only do it this time if I really have to. My pump and I are not great friends .

What crap weather again today. DH off work and nothing to bloody do. Outdoor things = soaking wet. Indoor things = full of half term kids also hiding from the rain . Bleh!

Right off to do the bedtime bathtime malarky. Laters dudes xx

Hawthers - same here on naps, dd1 at nursery, in all day and still no luck!

scarlet and biscuits - I managed to get three oz over the course of the day today with a manual tommee tippee pump. A then totally refused the bottle - real waste of time. Bizarrely milk hating dd1 polished off most of it. Strange girl.

I think if I decide to try a bottle again I'll go straight to formula. I'm not expressing for dd1!

Too - I found the same with the pump! I ended up doing it leaning forward!

A in bed, fingers crossed. I don't mind two feeds during the night at all, perfectly amiable to that. It's the multiple and the not settling that makes me weep rather pathetically.

Make that four pairs of shitty pants that's my vom face.

Losing my patience as we've spent most of the day sitting on that bloody potty and still not got a poo in it and all of them in pants. biscuits and scarlet tell me it gets better, right?

And just when I'm on my knees, DS1 says poo again and once again we are hanging out ok the loo. BUT this time I popped downstairs to get f and came back and there was a massive poo in the potty!!! Yip yip!

It does get better Hawthers it really does. I got so fed up with washing pooey pants

And I found it so hard to not be cross about accidents once I knew ds1 could do it. I k is you're supposed to be all zen and calm and that . In the end what I used to do was stop DS from playing and make him wait by the sink while I tidies up. Without being cross or anything or telling him off, I just said I needed to clean up before he could play anymore. That way there were 'inplications' without him being in trouble or 'punished'. No idea of that was tight or wrong but it seemed to quark for us. Oh, that and a sticker chart with a treat for every 5 stickers. I know lots of purple would be a bit about either getting a reward for so few stickers or for getting chocolate every time but frankly I don't give a toss. It worked for us. DS likes chocolate (it probably genetic?) so that was the treat that motivated him. I wondered about how we'd get out of the reward chart thing (I could just imagine him at 16 wanting a sticker for doing a poo on the loo but eventually it just tailed off and he'd forget to ask for a sticker, so I'd forget to give him one and centrally the reward chart just sort of disappeared off the freezer when it was full and there was never a new one put up....

But it will get better. Apparently it is often much harder to get the hang of pops rather than wees.

Yay for DS1 Hawthers

Congratulations to Hawthers DS1's poo on the potty!

TBH I didn't really find that it did get easier - sorry! When we had days like that I'd revert back to pull ups, leave it for a few days and then start again. I know that goes against all the advice which is probably why it's took so long for us but I just couldn't cope with the stress of it while I was pregnant. I also bought really cheap pants that went in the bin rather than washed [lazy emotion] I think it's worked now because DS is being praised all the time at the moment for doing things like a "big boy". He likes showing off to DD all the things he can do that she can't I guess it was just a matter of time, encouragement, bribary and him wanting to do it rather than pushing him.

When I say it got easier - I meant once he'd got the hang of it - it was a hard slog up until then .

But like most things once you're past it the pain soon fades....

We're watching later cake. I'm not sure it's quite my cup of tea.....

But then he will get the hang of it, do it gets easier (eventually) iyswim

I've been expressing all the time Scarlet, especially over the Jubilee weekend because we were out all day everyday and I don't bf in front of anyone except DH. I've found early morning is the most productive time, I can get over 6oz in half an hour around 6am. Later in the day you can still get up to 3oz per boob so long as you haven't bf from that boob for a good few hours. When I need a lot of milk for the following day I will feed Autumn from only one side for several hours, and that allows the other side to build up lots of milk. I then express when the unused side is full.

By the way, if you're not getting much when you express it might be because you've recently fed your DD? I find that if I use the pump until my boob stops producing milk, I can still go on and do a full feed for my DD from that same boob. The pump isn't as efficient as she is at getting out milk, so there's always some left in the boob to feed her with. Conversely if I feed DD first, and then try to pump, the pump can't seem to get to the last bit of milk left in the boob, so if I try to pump within an hour of feeding, nothing happens.

I hope that helps!

Sorry to hear about the various bad days Scarlet Hawthers and Jaggy. I hope tomorrow is a better day in No Brooker land! Yay for Hawthers'* DS1 getting a poop in the potty in the end!

Wants so sorry to hear about D's shoulder :( What a stressful day, and I can imagine that the final diagnosis must have made you feel so worried about him. Thank goodness he's not in pain though. No Brooking for the healing to be super fast and the swelling to go down asap.

at E's windmill arm Biscuits. Also YYY to little hands grabbing and scratching during bfing Jaggy and Too! Another favourite of Autumn's is to be so busy sucking on her fist when she's hungry, that she refuses to move it even when there's a nipple offered right next to it! Makes it a little tricky to get the nipple to her mouth!

Must make myself go to bed now! I've got to do the entire night shift because DH is at work again tomorrow. :( I'm still in awe of the ladies who do the whole night shift every night! I crumble after two whole-nights in a row! Autumn does still feed every 2 hours at night though, and usually refuses to sleep between several of the feeds. Sigh...

That's great info thanks Scream Yes I'd probably fed DD too close before I started pumping, plus it was quite late in the afternoon so she'd fed several times that day. I will try again in a morning when I've had a better night.

Layer Cake = Daniel Craig. Got to be a good thing? I can't remember the plot, I think I was just ogling him. Have you ever seen him in The Mother? Very bizarre film.

Yy to Daniel Craig. Plot (from what I saw before we stopped it) = lots of people swearing and selling drugs, and looking for someone's daughter whilst avoiding some baddies.

I think I'm just in a funny mood today - too tired to be bothered to pick out the purpose of the conversations around the swearing . I was huffing and puffing my way through the ironing too so not in A Good Place . Am now sat down with a Mars choc ice while DH finishes the ironing

Hello I just wrote a lengthy post explaining my absence and requesting readmittance to the brookers and then mumsnet ate it. Am too tired to do it again- it's taken me 9 weeks to get here!

I will give me top potty training tip though, as currently being used on dd1 who decided to potty train one week after we moved house (dd2) 4 weeks old). Chocolate stars. Every time. I am gradually weaning her off them but it seems bribery works wonders in the fishcake house.

Our bribe of choice was giant chocolate buttons Fishcake - but should have thought of magic stars - great idea

Welcome back by the way - hope you've been ok my lovely xx

Hurray, you're back fishcake!

scarlet, exactly as scream said for expressing. Between 2-5am I can get 10 oz (if I do both boobs) in 15 min. (I'll have shed loads more milk than any of you though as I'm feeding two) . If i pump in the afternoon after having fed even two hours before I'd be lucky to get 1.5oz per boob. I also sometimes pump just before I feed the dts as after I get almost nothing but if i take 1-2 oz per boob then feed they seem to be ok...

hawthers, you're doing so well, glad he finally pooed in the potty :) . My friend bribed with chocolate and reward charts too.

pomme, I assume it wasn't you giving the bottle? The top tips I was told were have them pretty blooming hungry, don't be around yourself, ideally not even in the house as the hv said your dh and dc are ess likely to persevere-she said to walk round the block, rub some on their lips. I didn't need any of it as they were 2 weeks n just took it, phew.

wants, poor d. So glad he's not in pain though. I assume as he's been xrayed its setting in the right position so he'll be good as new soon.

musical, your poor nipples, hope you get a break and some sleep soon, sending No Brooking nipple healing vibes your way

Weepy with tiredness here already. The dts are so hard to settle I never wake the other but this means I'm up at least hourly when dh not got them. B sometimes up every 35-40 min. Shattered. Maybe I should start waking but I don't know if I'll just be settling two for ages with more crying then...