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DeidreBarlow · 17/09/2011 13:50

Sorry for the shocking title - couldn't think of anything else and our babies little people will be 3 in the next few months!

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TrudyVotion · 04/10/2011 08:57

Well at least DS making noise is something I don't need to worry about. We have a large garden and our neighbours aren't very near so the kids can rampage around to their hearts' content.

Gosh I'm going stir crazy with M being ill. He's very cheerful and playing and so on, but he has these dreadful bouts of the squits so I can't really take him anywhere - even the school run is a bit of a risk. He needed to us the potty just when we'd parked at school yesterday afternoon - a potty lives in he boot for just such an eventuality - but I'd managed to come out without wipes Shock Fortunately a mum I've never spoken to but smile at walked by and as she has a babe-in-arms I threw myself on her mercy and she provided wipes - phew. I normally tip wee down the nearest drain but I couldn't do that with what DS had deposited so I tied it in a carrier bag - very tightly - and transported it home without spilling a drop! Beans would be proud of me the way my life's revolving about poo indoors and out atm Hmm M was meant to go to my parents' today but that's off. It feels like forever. DH and I are off to a business thing this evening, leaving SD in charge, and honestly I can't wait, a change of scenery and DH and I together - this is what counts for quality time these days.

Rubena · 04/10/2011 09:22

I have a minute as DS aat nursery.
Jam your day sounded a lot like mine sometimes go - no wonder I drink so much wine!
WE have had to do re-enforced baby proofing since dd is a nutter beyond belief. DS was never as bad.... Found her at the top of the stairs (after I turned my head for just second) one leg stuck under the top stair gate and hanging pointing down the stairs - not even crying - almost laughing actually. DH has had to modify the bottom gate with a spring so it auto shuts as he (DH) keeps leaving it open. He aslso put a latch on it which DS watched him do then proudly showed me how he can "open it for DD because she can't reach it" - perfect.
She's such a climber (unlike ds ever was) .... Jam, I fear I have a "knife girl" of my hands.... Whats dh up to in Aust? I was going to ask if you could do that change over thing with the boys and dh on the 14th, as I'd remembered you mentioned doing that one other time
Oh and dd also managed to get her grobag off at 2am the other morn and hurl it into the middle of the room, then get tangled in the cot bars trying to get it back Hmm
How are you Vag?
Beans - I'm def going to try and go to that place - sounds fab.
The cheek of your DH over that wedding dress! he promised you and then retracted it? And besides, I agree with someone who earlier said he seems to spend a truckload on boys weekends and marathons away etc - whats that about?
Lady, glad to hear DD ok. Good luck with your job app - I reckon you'll be fine!

Rubena · 04/10/2011 09:24

How did I not see your post Vag? Glad you are feeling recharged. Thats crap about the neighbours....
Trudy - hope M gets well soon.

EffiePerine · 04/10/2011 18:07

Trudy: DH has discovered some amazing Green & Blacks burnt toffee dark choc - I'm planning to stock up as I suspect it's seasonal. If you on me your address I'll bung a bar in the post to you Smile. If you like toffee that is.

EffiePerine · 04/10/2011 18:15

Pm not on! Bloody phone.

VagolaJahooli · 04/10/2011 23:15

Effie that sounds amazing!!!! I always thought butterscotch g&b was good but a dark choc version would be lovely, this is close to it!!!! I am already dreaming of my beloved Canary Wharf Waitrose, I shall now dream of me popping several bars of this stuff into my little basket.

Looking so forward to the 14th. Is it the Marriott across from Westminster then. Near waterloo station, is that ok for everyone?

Rubes I thought you were giving me my own little personal 'how are you?' :)

Had my first dutch class tonight, was really quite boring. Thankfully I'm going with a friend so not all bad. Also had my 3 PT session, PAIN! But good pain. I just have to keep thinking of how good I'll feel and hopefully look bloody well buff!

Trudy you poor thing that is all very hard. Espesh as you have work to do. Can I ask what you do in your company. I'm keen for DH to start up something when we go back home but think I would definitely have to get involved as it would be very hard for him to do all the deliverable work and run the company. I'm not entirely sure I would want to as I'm desperate to get back to nursing.

TrudyVotion · 05/10/2011 06:45

Gosh Effie, what did I do to deserve that?! That's extremely kind, thank you.

Vag we run an open source managed hosting & consultancy business (does that make sense to anyone?!). The irony is that the business is growing and we have very happy customers, but for years DH didn't bother with any marketing and just let things tick over, esp while he took on directorships and other interesting little morsels that came his way - I had my own company at that time so left his to it. Then things changed, I had DD and my biggest client pared down every cost which left me with very little work. The skids came to live with us which took up masses of DH's time and energy, then a few clients went bust when things got tricky a couple of years ago and we found ourselves having to regroup. But we're gaining new clients, we're in the local business community to the hilt and it's all going in the right direction, we just need to speed up the process. The potential for reward with your own co is huge, esp as we have no loans of any sort and no-one outside the two of us who can shove their oar in. On the other hand you need nerves of steel to get through the hard time. We're a good team though, we work together well and the flexibility it gives us is invaluable.

Beans36 · 05/10/2011 11:16

Hi all. Am just reeling from a friend's terrible news. Her best friend died a year ago on the eve of his wedding from a heart attack at the age of 34. And she has just told me that last week her father was rushed to hospital with inoperable brain and lung cancer and they're moving him to a hospice this weekend. I keep crying for her. Poor poor thing. I saw her last week and said that after her shit year last year, things can only get better. I couldn't have been more wrong.

KiwiPanda · 05/10/2011 14:44

Hello everyone - been ages and am on metered access in local cafe so very hasty post - Beans that's so awful, your poor friend. I hope she's doing as well as can be expected, I'm sure you are a comfort to her, I think you are brilliant at hugs and sympathy

Having just moved house (hooray!) am without internet access (boo!) so can't get online to properly catch up but hope everyone is well. Now 38 weeks pregnant - DD1 was born by now! - but after a hairy few weeks of living with parents, with baby in breach position, everything worked out, we got into our new house and baby turned. Now she is just banned from arriving until the boxes are unpacked.

And on which note, back to the huge pile of cardboard boxes... hope to have more time/ internet access to post soon! love to all x

JumpJockey · 05/10/2011 18:30

Another of my frequent QUESTIONS ON HOW THE F DO WE DO THIS PARENTING THING. (sorry for. Caps E kicking keyboard)
And thanks aaa for adviice on early mornings)
How do you do bedtime with two?Atm I have E melting down with tiredness while s wants lots of stories, if i feed E in s's room she keeps pulling away amd trying to listen and refuses to be sleepy so I end up dashing back and forward between trying to get E to sleep and keeping S in her room. If dh gets home in time he does stories but not often enough - so not yet ready to put them in together as E's sleep too erratic, but equally bedtime in different rooms is virtually impossible.

How do you all do it?

LadyThompson · 05/10/2011 18:48

JJ, the keynote in our house is 'muddle through'...Could you try putting S down before E, and if E is knackered, bring the WHOLE bedtime routine forward a bit?

Hello dear girls, I know I said I was going to catch up on Monday night - where HAS this week gone? How can it be Thursday tomorrow? Ah well, it's my beloved Phil & Kirstie on the gogglebox tonight, plus Fresh Meat later (is anyone watching that? I think it's rather funny), and I have made a veggie casserole which is already cooking for later. In case that sounds horrid, it's actually lovely and very easy, with plenty of yellow split peas, pearl barley etc. And you could put meat in it if required. Gosh, a week ago it was all salads and suncream.

Good luck with the unpacking, Kiwi. I am glad DD2 hasn't turned up yet, so you could make it to the new gaff.

That sounds hideous for your poor friend, Beans. What a shame. Listen, I do think you should buy a little piece of jewellery with some of that money. Sure, put some away to spend on dull stuff. But it wasn't the deal when you sold your dress, was it? Woburn sounded great, I have definitely noted that one down for future reference.

Rubes, I had to laugh at DS helpfully telling you how he could open the stairgate for DD as she couldn't do it Grin How are you managing post-your Mum's visit? I know you have a lot of work to do before going back to work, are you getting any more done?

SL - you are a lot further ahead with the TT than we are, so comfort yourself with that. DD1 still thinks the other kids at school are mugs for not insisting on wearing their comfy old nappies instead of bothering with that silly loo Hmm I think a glittering career in something like politics beckons. Have you knocked it on the head for a bit?

Vag, I am glad you had a proper break at the weekend. Screaming toddlers are tres tres wearing - please don't be hard on yourself. I am sure you show DD2 an immense amount of love and I do feel that if you let kids get away with bad behaviour it ain't doing then a favour. I just mean - they need to KNOW if what they are doing is naughty or upsetting.

How's it going with DD1, Sybs?

Trudy - the money stuff sounds hard. I do think treats are important, though, even if it's a 50p book from a charity shop, or a bottle of bubble bath (Boots do really nice-smelling ones for a £1). Money's a funny one. I find approaches to money really interesting. We seem constantly short but things will improve when we can get the flats rented. I say short, but I guess I mean "we can just about cover all the basics and treats are thin on the ground". And that's probably like a lot of people...I am a great planner and I reckon in 2-3 years we will be in much better financial shape (unless something unforseen and horrid happens). I expect you will too, so let that give you cheer! I would never say a cruise or any sort of holiday is a waste of money or profligate, if you've got it, so I guess we differ there. Holidays are priceless, for memories and experiences. I think lack of hols bothers me more than lack of new clothes or nice meals out.

I have joined the pre-school committee Grin It is very cliquey and surprisingly Power Boden. You'd think it was the board of ICI, the way they carry on Grin My reasons were rather selfish - to meet people and to maybe learn a few new skills. And the power these organisations have! It controls the entire pre-school, is responsible for employing the staff and everything. At the moment I seem to be roped into all sorts but yet still on the fringes of everything. But that's fine. I will see how it goes. I keep laughing to myself that I have become one of THOSE mothers.

TheInvisibleHand · 05/10/2011 19:18

LadyT - those committees are something. There were apparently more applications to join the governing body of DD's school than there are actually children...that's what you get for being at a brand new ridiculously middle class free school with superkeen parents.

kiwi - lovely to see you and congrats on all counts - great when it all comes together.

beans - how gutting and awful for your friend.

jj - sounds rough. We always found it easier to have them in together. DS inevitably fell asleep when he was ready, regardless of DD's antics.

I am slightly squiffy after a lunchtime drink (who still drinks at a working lunch??) and an evening drink and natter with an old friend in Brussels. Unusually indulgent work trip where I am not running around like a blue assed fly. Am looking to a night uninterrupted by DS sneaking into my bed.

TheInvisibleHand · 05/10/2011 19:18

LadyT - those committees are something. There were apparently more applications to join the governing body of DD's school than there are actually children...that's what you get for being at a brand new ridiculously middle class free school with superkeen parents.

kiwi - lovely to see you and congrats on all counts - great when it all comes together.

beans - how gutting and awful for your friend.

jj - sounds rough. We always found it easier to have them in together. DS inevitably fell asleep when he was ready, regardless of DD's antics.

I am slightly squiffy after a lunchtime drink (who still drinks at a working lunch??) and an evening drink and natter with an old friend in Brussels. Unusually indulgent work trip where I am not running around like a blue assed fly. Am looking to a night uninterrupted by DS sneaking into my bed.

LadyThompson · 05/10/2011 19:18

Sorry JJ, I didn't mean that to sound as glib and daft as it probably did Blush Two on your own is HARD. xxx

JumpJockey · 05/10/2011 19:43

Cripes wasn't expecting replies immediately and sorry for brevity, had wailing children and get into the same pickle every night ans am shouty and sometimes a bit sweary (at eleanor who can't understand... Blush). the current problem is based around a) e's erratic napping, meaning she's often been awake for too long come bedtime, b) never knowing if dh is going to get back in time to help, and c) the evening routien ending up taking ages. Eg we got back at 5.30, made tea, did a jigsaw while e had a bit of mook, in the bath at about 6.45 and then started stories by 7. Fortunately dh then arrived to do s... Bringing it forwards not really possible esp once i get back to work, earliest we will be home is about 6 given the cycle ride back, but maybe they'll both be more knackered come winter!

Tea time, catch up later, hooray Kiwi for turning baby and beans so sorry for your poor friend, semding her some prayers.

JollyBear · 05/10/2011 20:06

Hello everyone,

beans that is sad for your friend Sad.

vag I did chuckle at you being able to identify the virus from the diaherria (SP??!!) smell. I don't suppose you were in the UK to enjoy the Saturday teatime programme 'You Bet'? I thought that would have been an amusing speciality skill. Grrrr to your neighbours.

Rubes Very funny that after all the modifications on the stairgate DS will open it for DD!

kiwi Hurray on making it to the new house before the new baby comes. Well done you all!

JJ Urgh, bedtime alone with two is just dreadful. Sometimes DD2 has an extra late aft nap to avoid a meltdown at bedtime. If she sleeps for an hour and wakes at 2 I usually put her down again at 4 just for half an hour. Mine are sharing a room now and as invisible said when I asked about sharing siblings, it is easier with them both in together. That said DD2 has just become more distracted by the books when previously I fed her while I read. We have a strict two books only rule at bedtime which helps too. When they are both PJed, DD2 milk, books, I put DD2 in her cot whereupon she starts sucking her fingers and relaxing, DD1 then whines for me to leave the light on etc etc until I leave.

ladyT I love the idea of you being on the committee! I can well imagine that the brand of biscuits provided requires meetings and sub-meetings. Have you joined the house based toddler group yet? We're watching Fresh Meat, it started slowly but am enjoying it now.

invisible Oooh lucky you. Have a great trip.

I put DD1 to bed last night and she said 'thank you for such a lovely day mummy'. Oh my heart melted.

Rubena · 05/10/2011 20:19

Beans How awful for your friend. Makes the little stresses I go on about sound so stupid Sad hopefully things will get better for her this time.
Kiwi heck you're almost there! Looking forward to news... Congrats on the house and the new mac Grin
Lady, firstly, the pre-school committee? Who are you and what have you don't with LadyT? Grin And secondly, casserole? And you said you can't cook! people who can't cook can barely manage toast! Grin sounds yummy to me - even without the meat. I practically live on fish these days (salmon mainly) so easy in the oven and 3/4's of my meals are Veg. Had so much of it when mum was here as it's WAY cheaper than the Tassie salmon they pay through the nose for over there. Thanks for asking I've been fine at least a few days after she went home, though I did have a bit of a wobble today as I was making up the spare room for mil and ds said "Is nanna coming back? you're making nanna's bed! She flew away from us, way up high in the sky, to Stralia..... can we go and see nanna and poppa in Straylia? I miss Nanna, you cried didn't you Mummy" (awww)
We may well be going in late Nov / Dec so pleased about that Smile As far as getting work done... has been tough, but going spend a couple of nights down there so I can get some rest and not be a total right off on the days I need to be awake Grin The DC's have been full time in the day - they play together SO much now, but leave them alone for 5 secs and dd starts screaming - she's so dramatic though, and a bit "boy who cried wolf" so it's easy to switch off from it, but then 2 mins away from them playing together and DD has a bruise on her head which ds said she "went bang on the toilet with her head" Hmm
JJ here, I just put them to bed at different times if DD is knackered which is most of the time as she is refusing a 2nd nap. but basically, they have dinner together about 530pm-6pm (it's very flexible) sometimes 630pm, and then in the bath (also sometimes it's the reverse if they aren't hungry early and I bath them first) then they have milk downstairs and watch a bit of telly but mainly it's ds having milk and DD causing trouble and not sitting still! She's just not into milk like DS was, and still is. DH is usually home half way through bath or dinner (one of the two) and he often helps mucks around with them either bathing or eating but sometimes isn't home until they are having milk. bedtime is aimed for at about 7pm, but it's quite variable and if DD is beyond tired by then I whisk her straight into bed, and then ds goes up at either 7 or just after and usually dh does his teeth and story. I'm not sure but it sounds like you usually BF E right before bed? Although I'm not BF I try to avoid them having anything upstairs after all that self settling malarky the HV went on about to me, so she literally gets plonked in bed and stories are pretty much not happenign with her as she grabs the book and throws it so she just gets lights out whether it's same time as DS is having astory or it's before DS even goes up to bed. Anyway, that's a bit long winded but the short answer is, I do milk downstairs for both and then if DD is tired its teeth and straight in the cot, and then DS has teeth and story same time as her if it's around 7pm or at & ish if she's already gone to bed. She sometimes isn't asleep and then hears DH reading a book to DS and kicks off a little, but at that point we just ignore her and she settles within about 5-10 mins I suppose, and to be honest really isn't ever in a rage over it. Blush We've always been from the school of leave her to self settle, otherwise she thinks it's a massive game and knowing her would carry on crying until we spent all bloody night in there, so i'd rather leave her, and it's worked.
Anyway, hope it improves soon - never ever easy with two especially this close together in age.
I have a load I should be doing but I see kirsty and Phil are gracing the screen...... Argh.

SummerLightning · 05/10/2011 21:03

Hello,
ladyt yes we have totally given up on the TT for now. Well still asking him if he wants to go but he always says no.

I LOVE the sound of the committee. Yes, you are one of THOSE mothers. Hee hee.
trudy that sounds hard re money at the mo. Sounds like things could be on the up though? Anyway you COULD get a loan to ease the pressure on the business? Oh and ages ago you said about DS waking super early and you being knackered. When DS wakes we sometimes take him downstairs and put a Peppa pig DVD on and go back to bed for a bit Blush, is that bad, could/would you try it?
Which brings me onto jj, DD is always tired before DS so we have milk downstairs, I put TV on for DS and take DD up and brush teeth and give her a quick story. Ah so much use of TV, naughty. Then come back down to DS. But it has got loads easier, used to be a nightmare, but now it takes 5 mins to put DD to bed so really not too hard. So hopefully it will get better!

Hi rubes! How sweet about your DS wanting to see your mum. Going back a bit your DD sounds like DS was with eating. Sorry that is probably not reassuring as he is still a pest with eating now (but won't eat pureed food now!).

beans how awful for your friend, i hope she is ok.
invis how can there be MORE people wanting to be on the committee than children???
Right off to watch Masterchef. Oh which reminds me lady does the veggie casserole have a recipe or is it made up, it sounds yummy. AFter veggie recipes as well as nursery can reheat them for DD's lunch!

traceface · 05/10/2011 21:09

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhh stupid MN lost my post. Grrrrr. Why does it log you out like that?
Wrote a big catch up but I'm too lazy to re-write it. Sorry.
Got another viewer coming tomorrow...fingers crossed!
jj much sympathy to you. In my post that got eaten I moaned about how badly it went here tonight, trying to get my two down without DH, and that's when one of them is 7 years old, so it must be so much harder for you with LOs.

LadyThompson · 05/10/2011 21:56

Oh Trace, I feel your pain. I have had that so often. I copy and paste into a Word document now, so that when it logs me out after I have gabbled on, I can outwit it.

Ok, here is my Lazybum Veggie Casserole. You are right, Rubes, I suck at cooking but this is a cinch even for a Cooking Dunce like me (anyone at all talented in this regard look away now): this was the quantity I did tonight:

4 dessert spoons of yellow split peas (yellow ones are the nuttiest and nicest)
4 dessert spoons of pearl barley
4 dessert spoons of orange lentils

(all dried, no need to soak them, and they cost about 40p a bag)

2-3 Vegetable Oxo cubes (but any Oxo cubes would do if you aren't a veg)

Put the pulses in a large saucepan or casserole pot, crumble the stock on, then fill the pan about half the way up with boiling water and bring to the boil then simmer whilst you are peeling:

3 carrots, roughly chopped (keep all the veg fairly large so it doesn't go to mush)
2 parsnips, roughly chopped
a stick of celery, finely chopped
3 small spuds (could do more but I am currently carbs averse)
2 onions
1 clove of garlic, finely chopped

Chuck all the veg in, bring to the boil again then simmer on a lowish heat for at least an hour or until the pulses seem nicely cooked and the veg isn't too mullahed.

You can vary the above ingredients, really, and either add water if it's getting too dry or boil water off if it's too watery.

Just call me Jamie Oliver.

Like I said, meat eaters could add meat. In fact, my Mum makes this but puts pork in it. It's quite old school.

LadyThompson · 05/10/2011 22:03

Oh, I am glad you can go out of the house to do some work, Rubes. And your Mum got back ok? As for the pre-school committee Grin I know, but I will be safe as I have a sense of humour. I realised at the first meeting I kept raising one eyebrow so I must make a note on the back of my hand about THAT. There is another meeting at the ridiculous hour of 9.15 tomorrow, to plan the Halloween Party on 15 Oct. It's for pretty much the whole village. I don't like Halloween much and am not keen on celebrating it, but hey, am rolling with it. And DP is going to bake gingerbread bats.

More in half an hour.

SummerLightning · 05/10/2011 22:15

Oh no I have just realised that I have a vague memory that nursery will not heat LENTILS. Oh ffs, I will check but I suspect it is true!

Sounds yummy though LadyT

I have never had this logging out thing. Do you click "keep me logged in" when you sign in? As the only time it ever signs me out on one thing (computer, ipad, etc) is if I sign in somewhere else and don't check that "keep me logged in" option.

Right, watch, I will get logged out as I post this. Just to live on the edge am not going to do ctrl a ctrl c, here goes.

Rubena · 05/10/2011 22:31

nah Lady, I haven't been out the house yet, just when I have to go on my course I will stay over a couple of nights at a hotel to get some sleep Grin
casserole sounds yum. Might make it when I'm not so busy. In slow cooker it would work too.
Agreed SL - same here - only get signed out if I log onto another device. Although, I often lose posts if my internet connection cocks up or my virus ridden laptop freezes Confused but I do often just copy what I've written if I write loads, so if it happens I can log back in and paste.....

TheInvisibleHand · 05/10/2011 22:33

SL - 1 child 2 parents....DH actually threw his hat in the ring, got summoned for an interview but didnt make the cut! Prob just as well...

LadyT - casserole sounds good - will have to give it a try

Hello rubes so lovely that your DS feels that way about his nana - and great that you have a trip to look forward to

TheInvisibleHand · 05/10/2011 22:34

LadyT - meant to say, ages ago you prompted me to check and buy the booker list. Am half way through and am seriously underwhelmed by this year's choices. Maybe I'm just getting old and grumpy. Much prefer the sound of your book. A lot of this stuff feels quite gimmicky but also forgettable.