CRESH - Crap ham, stinky Brie, gin and lol'ing at birth plan believers

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Heeyah.

Oh my god I am watching the Australia Ireland game we recorded. I'd forgotten quite how much TG annoys me when watching rugby. He only got into a few years ago because I love it, and only watches the internationals and yet he is somehow now an expert and feels the need to provide a running commentary. He just comes out with the biggest load of shit EVER, why can he not just shut up and enjoy it? It seriously ruins it for me. Grrrr. I am not saying I'm an expert on rugby, but when I started going to games at 16 and was a member of Bath rugby club until I moved to Cornwall in 2000, so I do understand the game. And yes, I even understand the whole offside thing. In the scheme of things it is a stupid thing to be annoyed by. So why does it annoy me so much?!

Hello all!

Occ when, oh when do you find time to post? I am soooo exhausted and busy. I don't even know what with, but I think my inherent inefficiency is spreading into motherhood.

'Ello Lozza, nice to see you. How old is, ehm BugBoy, iz it?

Muse! Getofme! I cuddle him a lot and make up silly songs 'cause I don't know any non-silly ones.

Hey Bitey, I am struggling to fit into Close Parent sling. It just feels weird, but it could be because he is so tiny. Would love to have the use of my arms again though.

LeafyRocket, thanks for the welcomes, but why the fretting? How old is Sprout?

HoneyCow, when does feeding start to take 5 - 10 mins??

My question of the day is: is everyone using sleeping bags? I have a couple of them, but I find the guidelines too confusing. E.g. it's 22 degrees in our room and it says the littlie needs to wear only a vest under it. It seems too little to me! This is 1 tog we are talking about. I would want to put a vest and a onesie on him as well as a 1 tog sleeping bag, but they say this would overheat him. Is everyone's room really 16 - 20 degrees as they recommend? Ours is naturally 22-23 nowadays...

Fairy How old is your baybee? MB is 10.5mths old. I've got him in a onesie and a 1.0tog and the room is 20deg. If its over 21deg I put him in a vest and a 1.0tog sleeping bag. Our heating is not on and the temp will drop a bit over night. I think the advice is not to over heat the baby. So MB was a particulary hot child and I'd always prefer him to be a bit cool than too hot. My theory was I could always put more layers on if he woke and was cold. Try the vest and see.

Sorry FanjoBanjo I missed your birthday!!! Do anything nice??

Fellow livery at the yard pushed a wailing MB round whilst I sorted hoss. Was veh kind of her.

Why is it, that even going to bed at 9.15 last night, I'm still tired?

Fuck all on tv. AGAIN.

silv There's always the rugby to watch. You know, the games you carefully recorded at 4 am this morning...

pols I had no idea you were so passionate about the game! You'd tolerate watching with me though. I don't understand off side so just keep my mouth shut when that becomes an issue. I am currently carrying enormous amounts of tension worrying that my favoured nation will choke at some vital point in the tournament. The pressure is seriously too much for me to bear.

By the way, MrP said he is firmly on your side. His advice is to say 'Look, unless you stop talking shit I am going to go and watch this on my own.' Apparently a man would respond to that.

silv Birthday - yes, despite it being my first week of work, MrP gave me a lovely evening. He packed a luxury hamper and took me to the RSC gardens by the river for a picnic at dusk. What a darling. Clyde managed to vomit on the babysitter while we were out. Whoops.

peppa is in a 2.5 bag and a sleepsuit. She seems to sleep better in that than a 1.0 tog. It is apparently 22 degrees in the house but it feels loads colder than that.

Fanny your fella sounds dead nice. What a lovely birthday gesture.

fairy It really depends on how cold we're feeling tbh. In the summer when we were sleeping naked without sheets then I just put him in shorts & t-shirt PJ's no bag, a little cooler he was in a long-sleeped suit (naked legs) inside his light togged bag and now it's cooler he's in full-length PJ's/sleepsuit and the bag. Although I am thinking of going over to a duvet soon - any duvet advice from anyone?

fanny What is it with your countrywomen who can't keep their hands off our royal men? Poor Zara, her father too had form over there didn't he? :( How was your first week at work upon reflection?

I am falling apart - JB & Bear have been gone to long and I'm looking forward to getting back to work tomorrow to keep me busy and my mind off it. They're currently in Hamleys.

2.5 tog and a sleepsuit here. Her room has a door to the outside in so is a bit chilly.

our bedroom is 18 degrees, and she is in vest, sleepsuit and a 2.5 tog sleeping bag. I'm going to put her in long-sleeved vests soon overnight as the temperature drops to 16 degrees in colder months.

We got back yesterday from MrM's gran's funeral, EA's great-gran and namesake. She was a wee star at the funeral - MrM's mum said hearing her babbling away prevented her from completely losing it. My mum took her out when she started to get a bit too noisy, but she was brilliant all day - I think she gave everyone something else to focus on and she slept twice in her car seat in the corner of the function room. Sad as it was, it did mean to she met her extended family, including mrM's uncle and aunt who are in the middle east, and his cousin who is in Australia - she brought EA a pair of tiny Ugg boots. I am not a fan of them worn by teenagers in that pigeon-toes walk, but the baby ones are vv cute!

hopon it was just daft irrational fretting due to your quietness. I knew it was probably just because you were busy etc but still glad to hear from you that all is well.

Sprout will be 4 months next Friday. How the fecking feck that happened I don't know!

She sleeps in a vest, pjs and a 2.5 tog and then i often put a blanket over her when we go to bed as the temp drops to about 19. When it was 22/3 in the summer it was 1 tog and sleep suit. I find she needs an extra layer more than the recommendation or she doesn't sleep very well and has ice cold hands. Possibly she got acclimatised to it being warm due to being tiny in the hottest part of the summer.

we've recently added a blanket too, and put a HWB in while she is having her final feed, as otherwise she wakes up on immediate contact with the cool cot surface. When we were in NNU, she was covered in loads of blankets, and a heated cot until she could hold her own temperature, so we probably slightly overdo it, but she seems OK.

Like medee we really kept him wrapped up at the beginning due to his start - although somewhat ridiculously it was warmer in our flat than in his incubator. As time has progressed we've relaxed more - and they will let you know if you're getting it wrong by waking up and yelling at you. We've had two nights where he's not slept well and once was because he was cold, another time because he was hot.

alps Yes, Zara has a half sister living in NZ, after one of Captain M's visits there. Don't blame me though. Most of us are quite demure.

Clyde dropped MrP's blackberry in the loo this morning. Unfortunately our tickets to tonight's Gary Numan gig were texted to it and now can't be retrieved. Shit. He is now speaking to vodafone but it's not looking good.

Crap fanny that poo. Clyde obviously doesnt want to you to go out!

The thing I didn't get about the sleeping bags is that 'they' tell you that during the day a baby should be wearing one layer more than you. Yet at night they have 2.5 tog whereas we will be under a 7-10 tog (although I suppose I do tend to stick a leg out if i need to cool down which they can't) Also babies don't have their arms or upper body covered so surely they lose more heat that way? Anyhoo, alps I think you are right, you kind of get to know what to put them in by trial and error.

Mountie if I manage to post it tends to be one handed with a sleeping child on my lap. Although I've just moved her to the Moses basket and she's not stirred.... (yet - sounds like I spoke too soon). I must practise more with the sling then I'd have 2 hands more often. I must also investigate sleeping bags.

We seem to be having a need to feed and feed and feed couple of days (well, hopefully only a couple of days, I'm not sure my boobs will cope if this goes on and on). This has been combined with losing the knack of latching, so having to have multiple rounds of latch badly, unlatch, start again, all of which is proving exhausting. And my boobs don't know what's hit them. I think after it taking hours of feeding to get her to go down last night TH is starting to wonder how the lack of sleep is going to combine with going back to work, which may lead to him going to bed earlier and leaving me with a non-sleeping child, which doesn't appeal. Oh well, it can't last forever, can it?!

Ocarina promise it will get easier... it just feels like forever right now. Your post reminds me of when babymoo was born and I had graciously said to Mr Moo to sleep in spare room so he got a good night's sleep whilst I got up and did feeds. I think that actually lasted 2 nights until I yelled up the stairs to get his arse back down to the bedroom! It's bloody hard those early days...

I am so full of cold its not funny. I had forgotten what pregnancy colds are like - they just seem to get worse, not better. I have felt worse today than any day in the last 4 days and after pathetically crying at lunch time Mr Moo finally let me go to bed for a few hours whilst he took the dog/baby out. Pathetic but god I needed it. Not looking forward to the weekend ahead...

OC believe it or not later on when your feeds are all established and quicker you'll kind of miss that time being held hostage by the sofa! Just make sure you have all essentials near by!

moo cold sounds horrid! Plenty of fluids!! Hope you feel better v v soon.

Morning ladies!

I do keep stalking reading fred to keep up to date, but rarely seem to have time to post properly. This post will not be the exception sorry.

Fairy 'ello m'dear. BugBoy is just over 3 months old. I'm not sure how that actually happened.

Pol I heart rugby . Understand the rules n shiz. But could not bring myself to get up for Wales match at 4.30am. Also Mr Loz & I made poor little BugBoy cry during SA v Wales match by shouting too loudly & punching the air . He's going to have to MTFU.

I feel a bit mean about sleeping bags - BugBoy is in a long sleeve sleep suit & a 1 tog. His room is around the 20 degree mark. I keep checking his chest & he feels as warm as toast, plus sleeps right through, so I'm guessing he's comfy enough??? Oh, I may be behind the times, but we bought a couple of new sleep bags from Ikea - they look good & at £11 were a whole lot cheaper than the £35 JL one (which is gorgeous).

Right, snogs & gin to everyone else - BugBoy is entertaining himself but it makes me sad to hear him talking to himself. I shall go & talk bollocks entertaining & stimulating facts with him.

Laters............

Def don?t put up with a bad latch, that is the way to bleeding agony. Unlatch and relatch until it?s right. A lot of new mums are frightened to do this, I know I was as you panic and think baybee needs milk NOW.

Re the ?empty? as above they are never truly empty, they are a river not a bucket as the saying goes. Flow does slow down though. If she doesn?t come off on her own, then as above look for either the fluttery sucks or the stopping of the proper gulp gulp swallow (although I found that impossible to spot in the early days).

Really though, when you?re establishing supply it?s better to err on the side of too much time at the breast, as too little isn?t good for either baby or supply.

hoppy feeding didn?t start to take 5 or 10 mins until the 5 or 6 month mark I think (as far as I can remember).

I really miss those days pinned to the sofa under a sleeping/feeding/sleeping baybee watching crap tv. Artie was a wingey nightmare all day yesterday.

Our friends are on our mountain bike holiday in Italy this week. We thought about going but couldn?t afford/ not enough hols from work. Now I am seething with jelussy :(

Still on the plus side, bargaintastic dishwasher is fitted and washing dishes. Hurrahz.

Am I the only one who doesn't know the temperature of my baby's room . Never really saw the need as both he and his sister make it perfectly clear if they're too hot or too cold.

Good news on the dishwasher status Cos - don't know how you managed without one.

I don't know temp either. Tbh we ignore all the gubbins about them wearing one more layer than you etc as if we dress him like that he is always far too hot. At the moment he goes to bed in a sleepsuit and a sleeping back that is alledgedly 1 tog, but is much thicker than the other 1 tog one we have.

cluck it was grim, I can tell you.

I got through entire episodes of Downton Abbey Series 1 while BF in the early weeks. I'll no doubt be watching last night's episode in 10 minute chunks.

I only know it as our monitor tells us the temperature, though we do also have a bath thermometer.

Yeah monitor shows the temp but I am pretty sure it's inaccurate because it's next to the lamp.
On the relatching front: relatching never made a blind bit of difference to my pain level and all it did was piss her off until I ended up with a baby that screamed every time I put her in the feeding position. It took a week to get her to feed again. I think we were the exception rather than the rule though. Plus I could only leave her on for 10-15 mins as that was as long as I could stand it. The only way I could tell everything was ok was weight gain and wet nappys but she was and is fine and rarely feeds effectively longer than 10 mins although I might leave her on longer for a comfort suck. I am really sad I missed out on the enjoyable stuck to the sofa part of BFing. (i was stuck to the sofa, it just wasnt all that enjoyable!) Luckily I got ahead of myself and watched all of the Tudors before I gave birth. Still got Rome to watch at some point.

Loz, I have one of the ikea ones too but we mostly use the one I got for 50p from the NCT sale (cheap skate one up manship ;-)) I heard matalan have got them in for a tenner too.

Coz, We had the sane problem with sprout with the layers. Especially in summer and in the car seat, she would get a proper bead on. I thunk it's that 'one size fits all babies' thing that applies to so many of the things we are told. (ie: bollocks)

I have been stuck to the sofa since 7am apart from one 15 minute break and getting up to change his lordship's arse. I think the boy has used up my milk supply and is now sucking out bone marrow :( I wish I had some good TV to watch.