CRESH - Crap ham, stinky Brie, gin and lol'ing at birth plan believers

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Heeyah.

Husband. A baybee can be put to bed with Calpol and made to feel better with cuddles.

A husband will drain your soul with his pathetic whining and demands. :(

I would also definitely join the cheese gang, even though I'm used to decent european chocolate now. Cheese, cheese, cheeeeese how I adore thee.

As much as I love choclit I'm not sure I could ever give up cheese... can you imagine the horror? Ill men are definitely worse than sickly children, TG is just pathetic when he has a sniffle. Does my head in. Silv have you arranged a sitter for 27 Sept yet? Got plenty of notice. And is you coming to my party? Who else is coming?

As much as I love choclit I'm not sure I could ever give up cheese... can you imagine the horror? Ill men are definitely worse than sickly children, TG is just pathetic when he has a sniffle. Does my head in. Silv have you arranged a sitter for 27 Sept yet? Got plenty of notice. And is you coming to my party? Who else is coming?

well he managed till 4, not sleeping through. but then went back to sleep till 7 so not bad.

Deffo husband. Poorly baybee just needs cuddles.

Can I ask a question re dummies/crying to sleep. Sprout used to be able to self settle herself to sleep and at night she sometimes still can. However it takes her a while to get off for a nap. She sort of cries/wails while half asleep (but not real crying) just sort of whinging to herself but that seems to be keeping her awake. If I put my finger in her mouth or give her the dummy she usually falls asleep straight away (dummy pops out as soon as she is asleep) I am torn between trying to get her to learn to go to sleep unaided and thinking its a bit mean to deny her something to suck on when it'll mean she sleeps straight away (plus its easier for me) But I am worried she is getting more and more reliant on the dummy to sleep and that that will stop her settling back to sleep in the middle of the night. Has anyone else experienced this? What did you do?

Rocket we had the same decision to make. We went for the dummy as it means she goes to bed awake and falls asleep easily without any help from us. Trouble is, if she wakes up in the night and can't find the dummy she rarely settles again without it, which means someone (i.e. me) has to get up. Sometimes it is just a case of plug in dummy, make sure her head isn't banging on the bars and leave. Other times, not so easy. I do wish we hadn't gone with the dummy and I'm dying to wean her off it (Boo weaned herself off them at 6 months as she refused to accept the larger size and I'd thrown away all the 0-6 months ones - it took 2 or 3 nights of hell but she was fine after that). Trouble with BB is that with the last month of teething hell I am farking shattered and cannot cope with the idea of even less sleep so it will have to wait for a while I reckon. Can you not encourage sprout to suck her thumb instead?

rocks we use a dummy, initially to help with her reflux. For a while there she wasn't taking it, but now does again. We use it when she is trying to drop off but can't quite, and it is enough to get her over. I would prefer not to have it, but it works. She usually goes down to bed at night without it, but e.g. last night, I gave it to her twice during the night (and fed her the other two times :( )

I heard a tip not to graduate them onto the bigger size and they will self wean, sounds a bit like what Boo did.

When they are a bit older, a dummy is easier to get rid of than thumb sucking.

There is evidence to suggest that dummies aid against sids. pols put 5 dummies in the cot. ;)

Bear likes a dummy when he's sleeping, I can't imagine denying him something which gives him comfort to comply with some middle-class perceived ideal. But then I'd happily shop at Asda. ;)

Agree with Medee, much easier to wean from dummy than finger!

The evidence isn?t that dummies per se protect against SIDS, it?s that once given a dummy should be kept being used. Having said that it?s a tiny tiny risk and if you are ok with all the other factors, it?s not one that I would worry about personally. Artie has had phases of needing a dummy and phases of not.

Thanks for the replies.

pol she does suck her thumb sometimes but as her motor skills deteriorate when she's tired she can't always get it in her mouth :o just makes her more frustrated and grumpy.

pone I am not opposed to using a dummy for middle class reasons! I just dont want to encourage a behaviour that will affect her sleeping later on or stop her sleeping through. I have also heard about that SIDS evidence from my HV. Mind you the anti co sleeping advice takes the 'evidence' completely out of context so it's difficult to trust anything they say.! I am the same as you, don't want to deny her something that brings her comfort but it's not like she is getting really upset without it, just not going off to sleep as quickly. If she was inconsolable without it, I wouldn't hesitate.

I think I am just going to try and keep it as a last resort if possible and then try wean off at 6 months.

MB found his thumb, used it for awhile and then weaned himself off. I'm not bothered about thumb sucking habits etc.

pollyboobage will sort something for 27th. Still not sure about your party as HI working and I return to hell work that week.

A lot of the anti-cosleeping stuff pretends to be about SIDS, but is actually about suffocation, so I was reading.

LC has been a dedtermined thumb-sucker since she was 6 weeks. BC has shown no such inclination so we went the dummy route with him - at 6 months we're I'm no longer required to trot across the landing to replace it every time he stirs. In fact he slept through for the first time evah last night ....actually, he woke at 5:30 so I switched the baby monitor off and left him to it and he went back to sleep

Pliz to let this happen again (and again and again and again........)

Hurrah Kate!

Rocket I let Smallboo feed to sleep for ages (not a martyr, if it had pissed me off I wouldn't have done it). Then I put my foot down and he was fine. He would always expect it from me even though MrB out him to sleep some nights and he wouldn't get it from him (obviosuly).

You know I'm so tired I can't remember what point I was going to make there.

Poll I'd like to come still but we've booked annual leave that week and might be going on holiday. Is it ok to let you know nearere the time or do you need definites?

Ah yes, that's it, he slept through from about 15 months. But because we were co-sleeping I hardly noticed when he woke up anyway because I just shoved a boob at him and fell back to sleep. (Teething and illness an exception).

Y'know I still don't think that was helpful to your original point was it? I think what I'm trying to say in my brain addled way (I'll be in bed by 8 I think), is that what you do now will probably not have any effect on what she does at 10 months ish say becasue her needs and habits will have changed by then as she's grown.

I hope that makes sense. Someone carry me up to bed now please?

We used a dummy with Squib 'till he was about 3 months old, at which point he seemed to be more interested in playing with it than sucking on it, so I binned it. Squib was a bit of a rubbish self-soother, which meant until about 8 months ish I was either feeding him to sleep or using the pushchair. He's now able to settle himself, so like someoneorother said, what seems impossible at one age, can suddenly change when they're a bit older.

TBH, I 'm a middle class snob don't really like dummies, and have a friend whose kid ended up a late talker and with his jaw out of alignment due to having one in constantly until he was 2 and a half, which kinda put me off 'em - bit of an extreme case I know. I reckon whey they're still wee though, go with what works...

Just want to mark my place really. Today, we had our first ever poo in the bath incident. I'm actually quite pleased that we got to almost 14 months! And that SFF cleaned it up

Funnily enough she has napped out both times today without it. Then when I put her down tonight and by the time I had zipped her bag up she had got her thumb in her mouth so I left her to it. Cue 5 mins of listening to alternately smacking lips or a little grizzle on the monitor when it's obviously popped out her mouth. Every time I think I'll go up and sooth her she must get her thumb back in as it all goes quiet.

I see your point about it not really having any effect in a few months time as they change so much/often. boo feeding to sleep doesn't work for me really apart from the 3/4 am lying down feed she wakes up as soon as I take her off and it's still not pain free enough for me to sleep while she's feeding or let her use me as a dummy.

Great news on the sleep through clucks must be nice

Ooh forgot to say curly the wraps arrived today. Thanks very much! Road testing them tonight so fingers crossed there ate no leaks. They seem mahoosive compared to the Thirsties ones I have so it's just going to be down to whether there's enough absorbency.

Also meds I posted the book yesterday 2nd class so it should be with you before the weekend.

I wasn't suggesting you fed her to sleep. I just meant he needed to use my nipple as a sleeping aid, like your finger or a dummy is. I just couldn't articulate it very well! I've tried to go to bed early but I'm too tired to drop off :(

Totally random post of the day - the Daily Express printed a pic of Harper Beckham and her dad. He refers to VB nursing. I know nothing about boob jobs (except that I bloody need one what with the wrecks I've been left with) and I didn't think you could bf in this situ?

I think it depends how the boob job is done - if it's through the nipple then you can't, whereas if they go in from underneath it's a possibility. I know someone who had a reduction, and she was still able to breastfeed - she wasn't sure she was going to be able to though.

Thanks rocket, look forward to getting it.

I must admit I assumed VB wouldn't be BFing, but if she is the BF campaigning people should capitalise on it.