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August 2011 - a place to wAit until the rest graduate !

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MrsVidic · 08/08/2011 07:25

Hi,
Thought I would start us a postnatal thread. Were still in hospital, here till Tuesday monitoring dd (now named Eva) and giving her the anti biotics. Im missing dd1 loads as I only get to see her at visiting and trying to contain a toddler on the ward is tough.

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MrsVidic · 19/08/2011 07:40

I can't believe it but baby ev has frown out of her new born stuff she's so long!

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MrsStevo · 19/08/2011 20:45

Please may I have a not-all-that-baby-related moan?

Feeling shitty this evening and fairly knackered (but that's normal) and it is making me feel very miserable. DH is upsetting me with his lack of ability to do anything, or ask if anything needs doing, or pre-empting any of the girls' needs, or giving me any kind of support, or really talking to me properly at all. I feel like our relationship is totally on hold and we merely co-exist in a barely-civil fashion. He just doesn't get anything right and I have no energy to do the sit-down-and-talk-about-it thing so end up just snapping at him or critisizing or being sarcastic. He's also just being so incredibly selfish and doesn't have a clue how that impacts on the girls and me. He blames his, pretty stressful, job (which he is leaving next Friday) and moans about being tired which - as I'm sure you can all appreciate - doesn't go down all that well with me at the moment!!

I'm also starting to go a little crazy as my mum has been staying for over a week - which has been fantastic as she has done everything I haven't got time for and just been an angel. But yesterday my MIL also arrived to stay for a week and "help". Now I have two people buzzing around the house, seemingly trying to out-do each other with helpfulness and MIL doesn't know the routine or anything about the girls' noises etc (Sophia grunts a lot in her sleep, she is fine and she DOESN'T need picking up or her pram rocking) so she is meddling and annoying me. She fed Sophia 100mls of formula today (she has max 80mls of EBM and formula) without me looking and Soph just yakked it all straight back up over everything and spent the rest of the afternoon unhappy and smelling mingy. This also threw feedtimes for the rest of the day out of the window and out of sync with Madeleine so I've been feeding for twice as long. Not sure I can bear both of the staying until Wednesday when they are due to leave.

We also still have the flea infestation which is driving me potty. Found 5 more fleas in my/ the girls' room today and Madeleine even has what looks a lot like a flea bite on her face. It makes me weep with sadness to know that my babies are being hurt by these little fuckers that I just can't get rid of - I've tried everything, including steaming my bedroom from top to bottom to kill them and their eggs. Any tips?

Anyway, I know I'm moaning - sorry. This is my only method of venting at the mo as I can't talk to DH, mum or MIL and I don't see anyone else as I don't have time!! I just wish that me and the girls could get on by ourselves now without intervention. I'm exhausted by all the people I see and have to make conversation with everyday!!! The only thing that is keeping me from losing my mind entirely is that my beautiful little girlies are just such poppets. I still find myself just gazing at them and showering them with kisses. Such a lucky mummy!

Firawla · 19/08/2011 23:01

mrs stevo you might find your dh helps more and makes himself a bit more useful once your mum and mil have gone? i seem to find that with mine. if my mum is here helping out he will slink into the background a bit, sometimes it makes them feel a bit pushed out maybe, but when its only him and you he will have to make effort? hopefully anyway..
totally get you about the people there to help, i did feel a bit the same with my mum, as not always easy having people in your space doing things in their own way and not following your exact routines and methods etc, but its not long til wednesday!
my mum came over again 2day just for the day and we were gonna go out for dinner and take just rafiq and leave the other 2 at home with mum to babysit, but dh has come down with something and not feeling well, so we didnt get to go :( but oh well

littlemisslozza aww that is too sad to think of getting rid of the baby things but just dont think about it for now, he still has ages left as a baby so would just put all that out your mind!

Hersetta · 20/08/2011 08:17

Big day today as it's DD's 4th birthday party (swimming party followed by party games) so we were making party bags etc yesterday and I am just about to start on making sandwhiches etc. Will be lovely to introduce DS to all our friends today so hope he doesn't steel the limelight away from DD too much.

DS is being brilliant (apart from being a bit windy and still suffering from constipation) and has slept through the last 3 nights! Last night he went from 11pm to 6am so am feeling pretty chirpy this morning. Feel bad for him about being constipated though as he cries when he strains to go. We have even moved him to the comfort formula for colic and constipation 10 days ago but with no sign on improvement. Have resorted a couple of times to a little sugar disolved in boiled water which enables him to go within 6 hrs. I have been massaging him tummy, have put vasaline around his bum, been cycling his legs and everything else I can think of but poor mite is still having problems....any other suggestions?.

Annie456 · 20/08/2011 10:54

Hersetta, this may sound a bit strange but I went to see a friend yesterday who explained that she had a very colicky baby and after 3 weeks someone suggested seeing a 'cranial osteopath' (our NCT teacher actually suggested that every baby would benefit from this) apparently their heads and diaphragms can become very squashed during labour and makes feeding / sleeping and just about everything really uncomfortable for the baby. She said within minutes of being at her apppontment she had a completely different baby and from that point on he never had colic or struggled to feed. I've not graduated to this board yet but because of some similar stories ive heard, I'm probably going to try and take my baby to see one within the first week or 2 when he is born so just thought I'd mention it here.

MrsVidic · 20/08/2011 16:35

Hersetta- I am do Envy of your sleep! I'm getting 5 hour stretch then a 2 hour stretch then 1 on good nights. Tempting to try to see if formula would fill my dd up more.

MrsS - a baby is like adding a ticking bomb to the room in a relationship- and you have 2 so you're bound to get stressed etc. In with the others who said when your inlaws go he'll have more confidence. Also I personally find it easier when your help goes as you will move at your pace and it will be done your way.

I an knackered today as dd went down at 830 fed at 12 woke at 3 then 4 then dd1 woke at 5 ! Hope it goes better tonight

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Firawla · 20/08/2011 21:41

hersetta hope your dd had a good bday, and wow 11-6am is really good!!

rafiq is up and down with his sleep, some nights pretty good some not so much, but overall cant complain really. am tired though cos the other 2 wake up too so if not him then it will be someone else. think i will be trying to have an early night myself to catch up a bit

feel quite down because my dh has ended up having to go into hosp today, so i am really worried and miss him so much already :( they think he might have appendicitis so they will have to operate on him tonight. i know its a quite common operation but im really worried.

Yukana · 21/08/2011 01:25

Just popping in, I have a question to ask (and a bit of a vent) whilst I have a spare moment.

My DD has a routine of feeding approximately every three hours. She is formula fed, and I try to get her to take 90ml each feed, if she feeds more, that's up to her. I let it go if she has one or two smaller feeds, if she doesn't have room for it for example. If she has a very big feed (105ml+) then I let her go three and a half hours before feeding her again.

She has bad wind, and we use colic treatment which has helped her massively. Other than that she sleeps a lot apart from approximately twice a day. One of those times she is looking around, I presume using her senses to explore. And the second is often a crying phase where she will scream and scream for no apparent reason. This frequently happens when we've just gone to bed.

My question is, is it bad to leave her to cry? She more than often settles to sleep after crying for a while, it's not so much trying to get her into a very strict routine, I think I do it (even though it's stressful for me to listen to) so she knows bedtime is bedtime, and that if she doesn't sleep she'll get terribly overtired, which I'm sure isn't a nice feeling for her. :( I'd cuddle her but if it does stop the crying she'll cry as soon as I put her down. Which being as most of the time I'm so tired I feel like I might faint, and the fact it's not safe for me to sleep cuddling her, the only solution I have for my sanity and DP's, is to leave her be. I'm not a horrible mother, am I? It's awful listening to her get so stressed, especially when she gets louder and louder and louder, but I just can't cope with no sleep after looking after her so much during the day.

MrsVidic · 21/08/2011 02:57

Personally yukana i think a newborn is too young to sleep train, I'd pick her up and cuddle her. I'd elevate 1 side of her Moses basket as she may not like lying flat and check if she's warm enough. Shes still so small

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MrsStevo · 21/08/2011 04:31

Thanks for your advice ladies. I agree, I think we'll all feel a bit calmer and work together better once it is just the 2 (well, 4) of us. I have spoken to DH about it now ... altho I was ranting at the time as there had been another cock up because he hadn't thought about the consequences of what he was doing with the girls .... but he did apologise and realise that (of course) I was right! Grin

Firawla - so sorry to hear about your poorly husband. I know appendicitis can be agonising - was it quite a traumatic admission to hospital? Horrible seeing someone you love in pain. Fingers crossed that the operation goes smoothly and he'll be back on his feet soon. Let us know how he gets on.

yukana - I agree with MrsV, newborns are a bit young to be sleep trained so you might find that this doesn't actually help her with a routine in the long run. I also read somewhere about how newborns not being comforted when they are crying can actually make them more anxious in the long term. I know the dilemma you're in well though - Sophia is almost exactly the same by the sounds of it. Tonight, for example, she has been up since her 11pm feed and has JUST settled back down - she had two enormous poos in the meantime and obviously had an uncomfortable stomach. This would have been completely unmanageable for me on my own as I was up all day yesterday and was quite busy, but DH stayed up with her until 3 and then woke me up to take over (just as Madeleine woke up too Hmm ) is there any way your DP can help you out and work as a tag-team during the night, at least at the weekends? Are you managing to get any rest during the day - it might make staying up a bit longer at night more bearable

Hersetta - can't help with suggestions for constipation I'm afraid because you've mentioned all the ones I know (and some more... thanks for those!) I have also read, and seen a TV programme about cranial osteopathy for newborns and it sounds brilliant. It helps the plates of the head move into their correct positions and can instantly cure some babies who cry a lot. As Annie said - it is to correct the squidging that happens as babies travel down the birth canal. Might be worth a go for your little one? No idea how much it costs though but the woman on the programme had to take her baby a few times as it is gentle manipulation done over a few weeks rather than full-on head compressions (obviously!)

I'm up expressing at the mo. Much as I HATE doing it, it does give me a chance to catch up on here as I have mastered the art of balancing the sucker things whilst typing! Had a chat with DH tonight about quitting expressing though as it is so time consuming and, once all my helpers go home, I'm not sure that I will have the time to do it - particularly once the girls start sleeping a bit less. Madeleine can BF though so she could just transfer onto the boob all the time, but Sophia can't (altho I admit I could have tried harder to teach her) and I would feel awful if M continued to get my milk and S didn't. IMO, if one can't have breast milk then the other shouldn't either as it isn't really fair. Oh I don't know... another bloody heart-wrenching decision thanks to being a mother! Someone told me on Wednesday that babies don't get anything other than weight-gain from breastmilk after 6 weeks - anyone know if there is any truth in that? If so - I could happily justify FF after 6 weeks as they're piling on the weight with that stuff!

Sorry, epic post, I'll bugger off now!

Hersetta · 21/08/2011 07:58

Firawa - hope your DH recovers soon. DD's party was actually really good. Everyone loved the swimming and dancing afterwards and 20 4 yr old were tired and quiet afterwards when they had their party food so it was a succrss all round!

Yukana - I agree with the others that a newborn is too young to do controlled crying. They need at the moment to feel secure and loved so I think she needs to be cuddled. If you are tired try to catch up during the day....sleep when the baby sleeps should be your mantra.

Up a bit earlier today but DS still managed 10.45 to 5.30 - he passed out last night after doing a huge poo so can't complain. DD is going to a birthday party at 10am so I'm going to catch up and go to bed for an hour.

Firawla · 21/08/2011 13:06

yukana i agree with the others i would try to cuddle her and then catch up on sleep a bit in the day while she's sleeping if you can? and get your dp to take turns maybe one night each, as she's ff he should be able to take over for a night then atleast you would each get plenty of rest on the other night

my dh seems to be doing okay, they operated on him last night and we went in to see him this morning. apparently his appendix was really really bad so lucky he did go in and get operated when he did otherwise maybe it would have ruptured or whatever it is that appendixes do?! but he had to have the full open surgery because it was so bad, so i think it may take him a while to recover :( but atleast he is okay, and hopefully back home soon in a few days

Yukana · 21/08/2011 13:16

Thanks guys. She doesn't cry at all during the day, it's just at night once or twice. She sleeps very well in the daytime. I do manage to get five hours sleep or so before the evening inbetween feeds, but it's not enough and by the time it gets to when DP and I have to go to bed, I'm exhausted again. If I cuddle her, it doesn't matter how many minutes or hours I've been doing so, as soon as I put her down she is awake and crying within ten minutes. I don't know how I'm supposed to cope.

DP can't do night feeds during weekdays as he's so exhausted from 12 hours of travelling plus manual labour. So it's only Fridays and the weekend where he can help with night feeds. I find myself calm but lonely during the day, tired and frustrated during the night. Having company really calms me down, so I enjoy it when friends and family come round.

fizzypigs · 21/08/2011 19:57

Tummy time? Hey anyone know when to start doing tummy time with babies? Seems to be conflicting advice - from birth or from 6wks? I have been given a lovely play gym but not sure when I can start using it. Baby is now 2wks old - can't believe it!!

Yukana I had a few nights where my baby hardly slept - I found switching things round so I fed, changed & then fed again before putting him down helped - previously I'd been feeding only once then changing and attempting to put him down which didn't work. Not sure if that might be worth a shot?

Hersetta · 21/08/2011 21:10

I wouldn't start tummy time untill baby can support their own head - think they would probably hate it before then otherwise. I would say from about 8 weeks.

Hersetta · 22/08/2011 12:10

Just had the health visitor round and Alex now weighs an amazing 11lb 6oz up from 8lb 15oz just two weeks ago so he is doing really well. If I can get this constipation issue sorted we will all be fine. Health visitor recommended soaking some dried prunes in water and giving him the water to drink after the prunes had soaked for a while.

Hersetta · 22/08/2011 12:17

Forgot to reply to Annie. I'm not sure if the cranial osteopath is appropriate for us as I didn't go through labour and DS was born by elective CS so he hasn't been all squashed like natural birth babies.

Head shapes reminds me of a really amazing comment we were told when DD was about 9 months old and we were on holiday in Menorca. The bar we used to frequent was run by a man and his retired mother. It turns out she used to be a midwife and after cuddling DD one night she said ' she was born by CS wasn't she - you can tell as she's got a beautiful shaped head'. I thought that was pretty impressive!!

Firawla · 22/08/2011 20:49

aww hersetta he is getting really big!
i got rafiq weighed on sat he's gone up to 6lb 11oz from 6lb 1oz the thur before so he seems to be gaining quite quick aswell, although some of his newborn stuff still is really big on him and looks silly, cos he is very skinny, so waiting for him to grow into everything

fizzy i would probably leave the tummy time for a bit, about 8 weeks sounds about right to me too

yukana i hope your nights are going a bit better & not so tired. i have had a couple of bad nights recently too and starting to get really tired especially with dh not here.

i hope tonight goes a bit better. im thinking might have been affected a bit by eating spicy food, cos it goes through the milk?? so have eaten bland stuff and will see if he seems more settled. the other day i also felt as though he was suffering from trapped air bubbles after i was drinking coke, not really sure how plausable all that is but only explanation i could think Confused

fizzypigs · 22/08/2011 21:11

Thanks for replies - tummy time is postponed! Wink

bettyboo83 · 22/08/2011 22:14

Hi everyone, I've finally managed to find the time (and the free hands!) to write something, though I have been reading posts every now and then. I'm glad everyone and their babes are doing well.
Joshua is an absolute joy, even though he's not keen on sleeping at night Hmm I'm going to try elevating one side of his crib as he hates lying on his back, so thanks for that tip MrsV He tends to end up in with us most nights, and co-sleeping wasn't something I'd even thought to try when I was pregnant. He's breastfeeding really well though and now weighs 7lb 1.5oz at day 10. We're still struggling a bit to get his wind up, if he doesn't burp he ends up with hiccups bless him. I guess I'll get better with practise Smile

lilyraesmommy · 22/08/2011 23:16

hi ladies well i found the thread i am very nervous as midwife coming to take my c-section stitches out tomoz and a couple are quite sore and because tyler jack was a big boy my scar is quite long but hey it needs to be done. hope all babies are doing well x

MrsVidic · 23/08/2011 05:19

Hersetta that weight gain is impressive- Eva saw hv on Friday and has only lost 1 oz in 2 weeks so they are happy (as they tend to loose at first of bf)

Good luck Lilly

Betty hope the nights get easier quicker. It feels impossible now but they really willget easier.

firawla dd gets wind too and I don't drink pop! I do eat mild spicy food like falafel and pasta though. I thought it was down to veg n fruit though (as I eat lots)

Well Eva did 8-330 last night and is napping now! Think it was a fluke thou!

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NHAN · 23/08/2011 13:10

Hello can I join you all on here? Miles arrived on friday and i'm so happy I will probably annoy those still waiting if i stay on the other thread.
I had not been on for a while and became pretty down towards the end as everyone seemed to be having their babies early and i got to 41 weeks and was so worried i wouldn't get my homebirth.

Congratulations to everyone whose births i missed, hope everything is going well. If anyone needs any milk I have enough for about 20 and have renamed myself daisy! :)

majormoo · 23/08/2011 19:01

Hello all on the other side. Ds3 doing well but I have just about recovered from horrible mastitus so had tough few days last week. He feeds all the time too. Dh back at work tomorrow so will interesting coping on my own with all four of them.

Firawla · 23/08/2011 19:16

congrats nhan!

majormoo mastitis sounds horrible, hope you're feeling much better now, and sure you will be fine with your dh @ work. how old are all ur others?

rafiq was bit better last night, so hopefully will be same again. betty he is the same, gets hiccups if not burped properly