April 2011; springtime arrivals - blackbird, song thrush, mistle thrush, nipple thrush, nappy thrush...

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Here we are, our new thread and this time we all have our babies !

I thought we were getting thrush again, but then realised I had let ds's latch get sloppy. He was constantly clicking and tutting at the breast but I was too distracted to notice.

Ds and I made butterfly cakes together this morning, ds got to choose the colour of the buttercream icing ..... It is a very lurid shade of pink and they are covered in sugar strands. You can never have enough sugar!

Now you mention it we do have tongue sucking (right now in fact) and I suspect teething!

4th set of clothes so far today.

I've had AF re-appear MrsWajs :( I'm a bit as I'm breastfeeding and had hoped it would stay away for a good number of months. It's actually lighter than usual (though I can barely recall what usual is!).

No tongue sucking at this end. Boy is quite alert and cheerful today, which is a shame as I want to loaf on Mumsnet have quite a lot to do.

Sassy really glad the nipple shield experiment is working. I've taken fenugreek tablets. I'd also recommend fennel tea as that's good for boosting your milk supply. I drink it several times a day and I've found my supply hasn't dropped even with the mastitis fiasco so I do think it helps.

As to the lady in the shop I was suprisingly okay about it as I don't think she meant to be mean. She was really cheerful about it all and added the "twelve weeks" comment as if she was being really clever and had guessed correctly (rather than actually wounded me to the core!!). I think a tummy just shows on me as I'm reallly thin everwhere else (or at least this is what I tell myself....).

We had thunderstorms in SW London today - naturally I got drenched in it, although baby was dry as a tick under his raincover.

Clearly the theory of being super skinny everywhere else is the key Kits, that's what I'll assume from now on...

Glad to hear H isn't the only tongue sucker, it was starting to worry me a bit. Just went to the shops and forgot to buy myself chocolate! Aaaaaaaargh!

Things not to watch: ER

I'm sat here virtually in tears thinking 'there but for the grace of God go I' after an episode with a shoulder dystocia resulting in a crash section where the baby nearly didn't make it and the mother died. A year ago it would have had hardly any impact and now it seems so real. Am I always going to feel like this?

Hi all. Thanks for all the lovely virtual hugs yesterday.
My uncle is very unwell but stable, he is so thin and looks like he is slowly dying. We spent nearly 3 hours sitting in the a+e waiting room ,just waiting to see him yesterday but now he is on a ward and much more comfortable. G had an interesting day out at the hospital. We took it in turns to wheel him around outside in his pram, and he lay in his Grandpa's arms smiling and gurgling at him whilst we waited. Back off to the hospital this afternoon.

Lis sorry to hear about your FIL. Hope the funeral goes as well as these things can go. How is your DH?

Arch how are you and your 2?

JoEW hope the antibiotics are working for your mastitis.

Daisy hope you had a better night last night.

Jolly wow, v dramatic birth story. Its is quite cathartic to get it all down in text isn't it. Hope things are now settling down for you, and sounds like feeding is now going well.

Kits I had a similar experience to you just last week. The checkout lady at Sainsburys actually commented to me "I see you still haven't managed to lose your baby bump yet" She told me that when she was breast feeding her baby weight just fell off, so I should perhaps go easy on the crisps (I had a large multipack of walkers crisps in trolley) I was so gobsmacked I couldn't think of a retort so just pretended I hadn't heard what she said. I consoled myself by thinking that at least I wasn't old, haggard and wrinkly like her and she was certainly past her use by date fertility wise

ILTMIMI, we too have a little truffle hunting piggy, and the combined noise of G and DH in the bedroom makes it sound like a bloody farmyard in the night.

Cycle we too have explosive poo's. MIL kindly offered to change G at the weekend, and whilst his nappy was off poo literally shot out of his bum across the change mat, narrowly missed her leg and then went onto the carpet, truely jet propelled. He also does the most spectacular farts, the nappy seems to amplify the sound!

MrsWajs loving your my little pony

Glad to hear your uncle is stable and comfortable Jen.

I tried fenugreek and I bloody stunk of the stuff, it did improve my supply though.

Frak - yes you probably will be a complete emotional mess for the rest of your life, have children does that to you I think.

Don't feel guilty Cycle, getting cold does not give you a cold. The worse thing that could happen is your lo will wake up and scream at you because they are cold.

Have never heard of Tongue sucking as a teething sign, I would suspect it is more a comfort thing, but you never know .....

DS done his first poo for three days today and of course it was while we were out. It was a complete nappy explosion and went through his clothes, and when going through my changing bag I realised that the spare change of clothes I had for him was the same one I put in there the day after his was born. So I had to shoehorn him into this babygro which looked like he had been shrink wrapped into it!!

Glad your uncle is being taken care of Jen. That woman should be ashamed, what a horrible thing to say. I'd have used some choice language...

Ooh, sounds tricky ILTMIMI, I too carry spare clthes but it's because H is still being sick continually. It doesn't seem to distress him but it's not just after feeds, it's at random intervals too. He's still gaining steadily and weeing merrily so someone please tell me some babies are just sicky?

Frak I'm like that with everything baby/pregnant mother related, gibbering wreck!

Jen glad your uncle is confortable.

DH is doing ok. He's had his "work" head on for the last few days getting the arrangements sorted. I do believe though, that he is plainly relieved his dad has finally gone and isn't suffering any more.

In thrush news, we both look like we are clear of it. I need to keep on with the drops for B for another couple of days though. Thats fun!

I'm starting to wonder what will hit us next. I think I've ticked all the breast feeding ailment boxes :o

Jen I'm at the crisps comment!! some people are unbelievable! my mates a bit like that though.. came round for quick visit this week and we had 'I like that picture, I don't like the frame though' [screwed up face], 'Are you having another one straight away? Your DP is getting on a bit you know' and 'Are you bfeeding, does it feel weird [screwed up face and head shake' all in 30 minutes. She is lovely she just literally says whatever comes into her head!!

Frak I can't watch anything like that at all.. and it stays with me for ages - I'm far too emotional in general!

cycle Agree its a myth that getting cold will give you a cold.. and if he'd been uncomfortable he would have soon let you know!

And yep some babies are just sicky! G is very sicky nut seems quite happy about it so I'm not worrying. Sometimes it takes a while for the sphincter on their oesophagus to close (so I'm told) and so it doesnt always stay down. As long as baby is gaining weight and otherwise happy it should just go away on its own.

Glad the thrush is better Lis

afternoon all.

Big April Love to Jen & Lis

Cycle F is really sicky, occasionally projectile but mostly loads of little dribbly mouthfuls. He can get quite agitated sometimes when it's particularly acidic (although doc said it wasn't reflux, after googling it ). He's usually in a bib, and we have plenty of outfit changes & go thru ALL the muslins in a day.

He also gets really cold hands at night, even when it was 25C last week, he had hands like ice (gets that from me).

Oh, and he's really snuffly, has massive bogeys (like his dad!) and gets really upset with it sometimes. Saline nasal spray really helps. I've read that excess mucus production is also a symptom of reflux (but what do I know, it didn't have that in the doc's Google results).

He seems to be in a lot of digestive discomfort today: had a full on meltdown earlier, wanting to feed but arching away from the breast. Eventually managed to get him to suck a finger to calm down.

He's been snoozing on me this avo with lots of straining & grimacing and squealing in his sleep. I need to wake him up now to spend 2 hours getting him to bed. I foresee a long night ahead.

Morning ladies. S is a month old today. The youngest of the April family I think.

Have lovely weekends. We've got family visiting from Glasgow today.

Morning all. T managed 11.45pm to 6.30am!

Have a lovely day kitty

Wow, Ali, that's amazing! We had 21:20-03:20 and 03:40-06:45, which I thought was pretty good till I saw T's effort!

It seems the back arching thing is just F's new trick. It's how he's been migrating out from under his blankets. Like an attempt at back crawling. We do like to do things differently in this family!

Ali R slept exactly the same last night. Just a pity it was preceded by an hour of full on screaming - think she had a touch of colic, have never seen her like that before. She refused her bottle, wouldn't be held and absolutley nothng could console her until, as we figured out, we put her in the bouncer! Thank god we have it! She settled down and about 10 minutes later did a humongous fart, then poo'd and then all was right in the world once again!! She still wouldn't take much of her bottle so I figured she'd be up about 1am but no! She must have tired herself out with all the drama. It was actually the first time I've felt completely helpless and didn't know what to do. I'm almost certain it was a result of switching from the infacol, so I'm putting her back on that as of now, it was obviously doing more than I first thought!!

Chilli maybe your period is lighter because you are still feeding? Mine has been torrential (no joke) but seems to be easng up today, thank goodness!!

ILTMI had to laugh at the image of you trying to squeeze ds into teeny tiny clothes!

Aaaaaaaaaargh. SO UNFAIR!!!!!

That is all :(

What's up Frak?

Ali - v at all that sleep! DD didn't do too badly, 8ish to 2, then 5 (which of course woke DS2, hey ho), then 7.

DS1 bizarrely didn't get up until nearly 8, if it wasn't for DS2 we'd all actually getting enough sleep

DD also had her first nap in the cot, not particularly any plan really just that DS2 was playing on our bed when she fell asleep so i wanted to put her down somewhere 'safe' from him, lol!

No plans today, just laundry , off to see friends tomorrow and introduce DD :)

Well we did 8 til 3.30 then 4 til 7 then back down til 10! DH was on night duty last night which meant a much needed solid sleep for me! My turn tonight though! B is now in his cot every night, monitor on doors open though. Makes for a much restful night for all concerned!

We are now getting lots of smiles and excited arm movements! B is 6 weeks today, it seems like ages ago and its gone by so quickly too if that makes sense! I think we are being spoiled by a very good baby. everyone keeps saying their first was a dream then no 2 came along and was completely different, so the jury is still out if there will be a DC2 :o, I'm not saying no though!

Frak hope everything is ok, I find chocolate sorts most things these days! or

Glad peoples babies are sleeping well. Wish I could say the same about J. Still only seem to be going 3 hours at night when she was going over 5. Tried keeping her awake all afternoon yesterday and tanking up feed before bed but no help. 2am seems to be party time! Thank god I get loads of smiles. do you think it could be a growth spurt? J is 7 weeks on Monday

V briefly because I'm upset, pissed off and my birthday tomorrow has been ruined: DH was in line to be accepted onto a training course which would set us up for the next 7, possibly 15 years. He worked really hard - long hours, weekends etc - went away when I was 37 weeks pregnant without complaining, missed the 20 and 32 week scans for work BUT has been getting really good feedback from his CO etc. Basically he was assured he was a shoe-in (not that it stopped him from trying his hardest)...

He didn't get it and no-one will tell him why. He worked his ass off, really going above and beyond and everyone said so, and he rarely asks for anything and it's just not fair. The chosen ones were nowhere near as experienced or qualified.

So that means at least 1 more year stuck on this stupid island, possibly 2 because his CO and immediate superior are leaving next year and he would be the one to take the fall. You're supposed to get a nice posting after a crappy one and they're only supposed to last 2 years. We'll have been here 3, possibly 4

Okay it might be some people's dream to be here but it's a long way away, it's hot, it's bloody expensive and I want to go home

Aww Frak that is really unfair for you and your DH. Feeling v for you.

Am also pretty of all the sleeping babies. G won't sleep until 11:30 at the earliest, and he has to be swaddled tightly and fed to sleep. Then he will usually sleep until about 4 or maybe 5 if lucky, then fed and hopefully he will settle for another hour. He won't nap at all in day for more than 20mins unless in car or pram. It's exhausting.

Dh is in Ireland working next week so I have both children on my own. I also have to try and visit my uncle in hospital and do his washing and be generally responsible for him as my parents have gone on holiday. I am really hoping that the hospital don't try and discharge him home as he lives on his own and there is no way I could manage to look after him. I don't want to take G onto any of the wards either as I don't think its really appropriate to take a tiny baby onto a hospital ward so I have to go to the hospital with someone so they can look after G whilst I visit my uncle. God it's hectic!

Just realised I've ranted and moaned for yet another post. On a good note, I escaped the house on my own this afternoon and left dd and G with DH. I went to Tesco and bought a magazine and then sat in Costa Coffee for 30mins drinking a latte and reading my magazine. It was lovely. I came home to find DH trying to mend his car stereo whilst G was screaming in his cot!

Lis I have actually found G is a much more demanding baby than dd was. But most people I speak to say their 2nd is easier than the first. Dd was a very chilled out baby, but I wouldn;t say she is laid back now, far from it! I am hoping that G will be the reverse, a demanding baby and a chilled out, laid back toddler!

Oh Frak, that's shit, there's no other word for it, is your DH ok? xx

Had a lovely day out with a friend today, H was charming apart from a humungous poo in the same restaurant in which he pooed through his clothes onto my sister a few weeks ago

Am so tired though, he didn't sleep well last night and was snorting and snuffling for ages while DP was snoring too. I eventually gave DP a hearty shove in an attempt to shut him up. Didn't work, he must be the only person to ever snore while on his side!

Oh Frak, how crap :( & for you.

Cycle - best avoid that restaurant for a while then lol! I also give DH hearty shoves to shut him up, don't always work but makes me feel better

Jen - I took DD onto a hosp ward to visit a very poorly friend a few weeks ago, but he was in a side room and not infectious or anything. Sounds like a stressful week ahead for you.

Oh frak that's is utter crap. Big hugs to you and dh! X

Frak ((hugs)) shitty news. MN protest anyone??

Jen If your uncle isn't infectious or anything maybe think about taking G in with you. I found it perked FIL right up to see him and my granda was in hopsital for a while and all the oldies and nurses cooed all over him. If you are worried about disturbing anyone ask if you can take your uncle to the day/TV room while you visit. I found it comfier in there than all huddled round a bed.

Cycle maybe only visit that restaurant when H has been a bit bunged up.

I'm sitting here contemplating my first alcoholic drink since July last year, but can't decide what to have, wine inthe fridge or a JD and coke or a beer?? Hmm decisions decisions..........