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ILikeToMoveItMoveIt · 06/06/2011 15:21

Here we are, our new thread and this time we all have our babies !

I thought we were getting thrush again, but then realised I had let ds's latch get sloppy. He was constantly clicking and tutting at the breast but I was too distracted to notice.

Ds and I made butterfly cakes together this morning, ds got to choose the colour of the buttercream icing ..... It is a very lurid shade of pink and they are covered in sugar strands. You can never have enough sugar!

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JenAT · 09/06/2011 09:51

well G has now decided sleep at night is for the weak! had only about 5 hours broken sleep in total.

Also just had phonecall from my Mum to say my elderly Uncle who lives on his own has collapsed and been rushed to a+e, so about to rush over to hospital as it doesn't sound very good and I am very close to him. He has been unwell for some time we think he probably has bowel cancer but investigations and tests have taken so long to come he is now too unwell to have them. Feeling a bit wibble this morning, just waiting for mum to pick me up. Will have to take G with me. He is of course now sleeping peacefully in his car seat blissfully unaware of chaos around him.

Daisy17 · 09/06/2011 10:12

Star we're with you here, S is 8 weeks now and still poos many times a day with great force and most of the time at the moment it's GREEN!! Have checked with lots of people and on MN and apparently this is nothing to worry about in a breastfed baby. Stilll.......preferred the yellow! Had his first jabs yesterday and he seems fine but is sleeping for England.......just fell asleep on his own in his bouncy chair while I was having a shower, unheard of!!.....trying to just sit back and enjoy it for a change. Grin

JoEW · 09/06/2011 10:43

Lis and Jen sorry to hear that you are both having such a tough time. Thinking of you.

Thanks for mastitis sympathy. Thankfully I managed to get antibiotics yesterday, so think I've caught it nice and early. Felt terrible yesterday, really shiver-y and aching all over but much more myself today, though it's still painful. Thankfully C went down straight away yesterday evening so I could relax and watch The Apprentice! He's back to waking up twice in the night again so my long stints were short lived.

Also Waiting For Poo today, it's been nearly 48 hours and we've had lots of grunting and farting and not wanting to sleep. He's in the magic chair now, fast asleep, so maybe that will vibrate something out of him.

We've got my parents over today so when C wakes up I am going to put him in the brown knitted tank top that was so lovingly crafted by my mother. It's quite something....

LisMcA · 09/06/2011 10:45

Hugs Jen It's not nice getting that kind of phone call.

Thank you all for your nice wishes. Funeral is all arranged now so we will probably get home tomorrow for the weekend then we'll be back up on Wednesday.

We were on the "waiting for poo" couch yesterday. He hadn't gone since Sunday, but boy when it came it came! [boak]

kittycatcat · 09/06/2011 10:49

Thinking of you Jen

fraktious · 09/06/2011 10:59

Jen I'm so sorry to hear that. Thinking of you all.

chillikat · 09/06/2011 11:41

Jen hugs.

The poo arrived here about 5 minutes after DH left for the pub quiz last night - typical! Then a bit of a part 2 this morning while naked on the playmat, fortunately she was on a towel as we always expect a wee and the towel did catch all the poo :)

I've just had a minor miracle we had uncontrolable crying for no real reason just now - didn't want food, no wind, nappy changed, tried to hold in lots of different positions with no luck. So put her in the crib and put the mobile on and she's all smiles and happily jigging about watching it. It's lovely to see :)

daisylulu · 09/06/2011 12:11

lisa and jen thinking of you both

urgh terrible night. J was fed at 6.30, 10,30, 11.40, 3.20 and then 6 am!! We were going up to 5.5 hours between night feeds so dont know what this regression is. It's been pretty shitty sleep all week but last night was worst. I think I had about 3 hours broken sleep and have my boss coming over today with her 4 month old. Not feeling up to it!

Any ideas for why may be having this night time sleep regression? J is nearly 7 weeks and weighs nearly 11 pounds. She did sleep a LOT yesterday day but then she does most days and when I try to keep her awake we get tears and screams due to overtiredness which is even worse....

JollySergeantJackrum · 09/06/2011 13:00

Hi all

I'm not going to namecheck as so much has happened since I last read this thread/posted on the ante-natal thread.

Here's my birth story:
Started having contractions at 2am on Tuesday morning. They were fairly irregular - anywhere between 10 and 5 minutes apart and not all that strong. At 11am we headed into the birth unit (40 minutes away from where we live). I had a vaginal examination and they said that I was not dilated at all and that my cervix was still posterior. This was a bit crap. We were sent away and went out for lunch and hung around as I didn't want to go home. Managed to get a brief nap of 30 mins or so as the contractions calmed down during the afternoon.

We then popped back into the birth unit and agreed to go home and wait to see if things would happen. I continued to have contractions which were getting closer and closer together. DP went to bed and got some sleep as I figured there was no point in the two of us being awake. At 2am I was sat at our dining room table leaning over a chair, dosing between contractions which were about 7 mins apart. At this point I called the local hospital just for some reassurance. Despite going to two sets of ante-natal classes, I didn't realise that slow labour could take so long and be so painful. The hospital were lovely and convinced me that all was normal and to relax a bit.

I eventually got fed up at the dining table and went through to lie on a beanbag in the living room. I was finally managing to catch a wee bit of sleep when my waters went at about 4:30am. Not a huge, floor wetting gush, but half a pint or so. Thankfully I had a pad in! I woke DP and called the birth unit. Unfortunately the unit had another lady in who was having to be transferred to the big hospital so they did not have enough midwives to take us. We had to go straight to the big hospital. I called them and DP showered and we headed in.

We got to hospital about 6am. I puked almost immediately. I was struggling a little with the pain so was given paracetamol and something stronger (not sure what, a tablet, co something?). Contractions were less than five minutes apart. I was examined and was 3cm dilated. I was not comfortable in bed and the contractions were beginning to feel like I was needing to poo. Going to the toilet was pretty difficult as contractions seemed to intensify when I was sitting down.

I'm a bit sketchy on the timing through the day, but I know that I stood up the entire day as lying/sitting were just too painful. I started the gas and air about 2 or 3pm when I was 5cm dilated. By 5pm I was 9cm dilated. (What a long day!) I started pushing about 8 or 9pm. I was up on the bed, leaning forward over the back of it.

After I'd been pushing for over two hours my face began to feel funny and tight. I asked DP if my cheek was swelled up and he said yes. He pointed it out to the midwife. Within ten minutes my other cheek had also swollen up and my left eye was puffy too. The midwife was quite concerned and went to get a doctor.

The doctor came to see me and immediately decided that I had 'subcutaneous emphysema'. He explained that I'd pushed so hard that I'd punctured my lung and that I would have to stop pushing. He also explained about a pneumothorax and suggested that I might have one. This is when there is air in between the chest wall and the lung due to puncture and can be fatal. It's also known as a collapsed lung. There were a number of people milling about from then on, and the midwife sister came through and one point and suggested that it was only an allergic reaction and I'd be fine if I had antihistamines. (This was clearly not the case, the woman was off her head).

The doctor told me to stop pushing and also to stop using the gas and air. Not a good combination, I was in agony.

The anaesthetist (sp?) came to see me and the doctor started talking about giving me a chest x-ray. I told the doctor that there was no chance they were giving me an x-ray until the baby was out. It was decided that the baby would be delivered with forceps so I was rushed through to theatre pretty sharpish and had to sit still with no pain relief while they put the spinal block in. I was taken to theatre ahead of a woman who was having twins delivered by emergency section and the procedure was overseen by the senior consultant anaesthetist.

There was real concern that I'd need a c-section as they did not want to have to intubate me because of the possible collapsed lung. I still don't know what would have happened if I'd had to have an emergency section - I think there would have been full scale panic.

When I was in the theatre, DS's heart rate started to drop and they were quite concerned, so things speeded up even more. I was rolled onto my left hand side on what seemed like a very tiny bed to support my weight.
The spinal anaesthetic was absolutely amazing. I could not feel anything from my boobs down and all the pain was completely gone. I did not even know when I was contracting.

DP was allowed in to hold my hand and watch. The doctor got the forceps sorted out and DS was born in three contractions. He was popped onto my chest and DP said 'it's a boy'. We had been convinced he would be a girl so my first word was 'really?'. I stroked his skin and he was so soft. He didn't breathe straight away, so the midwife picked him up and took him over to a side table. I told DP to go with them as I did not want DS to be alone. He started breathing pretty quickly after that.

DS was bundled up and put on my chest and we were wheeled through to the recovery room. DP called my parents to tell them and my mum's first reaction was 'it's a boy, really?'. We had been in recovery a couple of minutes when two people came through with an x-ray machine. DP was asked to take DS out of the room while I was x-rayed and the woman in the next bed was given a lead jacket to protect her as she was still pregnant.

Harris James was born at 2319 on Thursday April 21st and weighed 8lb 3oz. We were allowed to spend time together as a family and at 5am I sent DP away so that he could get some sleep. At this stage I had not slept for longer than 30 minutes since 2am on Tuesday, so I was completely and totally knackered. DS was a bit unsettled at around 7am so one of the midwives offered to look after him while I got some sleep. I still feel bad that I said yes, but I know that there was really no alternative. I napped for about 40 minutes and woke up desperate to have my baby back.

The anasthetist came to see me and told me that the x-ray showed that I did not have a collapsed lung, but that there was a dark area on it showing a 'leak' rather than a full scale collapse. She said that it should heal by itself but should I have any symptoms that I would need to seek medical help asap. Apparently this happens in 1 in 100,000 births, so is pretty unusual.

The doctor was amazing in diagnosing it so quickly. The situation could have gone much more seriously wrong had I been allowed to keep pushing/keep taking the gas and air. Gas and air thins the air in the lungs so more of it could escape through a smaller hole.

It took a couple of weeks for the swelling in my face to settle down and I was coughing quite a bit for a few days. Obviously I also had stitches because of the forceps delivery which also took a couple of weeks to heal.

We were allowed out of hospital pretty quickly (probably too quickly) on the friday night. Breastfeeding was not really established but we thought we were doing okay. DS was latching on for about 5 minutes at a time and I was feeding on demand. We had lots of visitors over the weekend, but on Sunday things started to go downhill. DS cried most of the day then cried the whole day on Monday. By 3am on the Tuesday morning DS was still crying and had only stopped to sleep. After some heated discussion with DP (lack of sleep and stress and worry), I called NHS 24 who sent us to our local hospital. The doctor did not know what was wrong with him, so sent us to the big hospital. She arsed around a lot and really pissed us off. When we got to the big hospital we were made to wait again.

The nurses reckoned that DS was hungry. They weighed him and he had lost 15% of his birth weight in 5 days so they advised giving formula. I was just so desperate for him to be okay that I agreed. I do not regret the decision at all, the poor kid was half starved. He took about 50 mls of formula (a LOT for his weight) and fell straight into a contented sleep. I felt like such a total failure. How had we not realised that this was what was wrong with him?

The nurses had me express milk and I got about 160mls first go. They were amazed. We were asked to stay in hospital so that we could get DS's weight loss sorted out. I continued to express and was feeding DS three hourly and expressing three hourly. By the end of the first day I had produced enough milk to feed him with EBM from a bottle entirely so he did not get any more formula. He gained weight very quickly and was back over his birth weight by day 7.

On the Thursday of that week we saw a breastfeeding midwife who said that I was doing everything right with regard to trying to latch him on and she thought that it was just that he had too small a mouth and I had too big breasts/too flat nipples. I felt a little better after this as it was not 'my fault' as much as I thought it had been earlier. She suggested trying nipple shields then topping up with expressed milk after each feed.

On the Friday we were allowed home again and made a fresh start. It took just over a week for DS to be taking entirely from the nipple shield and not requiring any bottle top ups.

Since then DS has been gaining weight at an incredible rate (9.5oz 2 weeks in a row) and is now weighing in somewhere around 11.5lbs at 7 weeks. I haven't had him weighed for a couple of weeks though so this is guesstimating.

The health visitor could not believe how much milk I was producing. She came in one day and there was a bottle on the table. She asked if it was my expressed milk (there was about 70ml). I said no, that it was what had leaked out of the left hand side while I was feeding from the right. She was slightly shocked and stopped pestering me to get rid of the nipple shields after that.

Over the past 24 hours we have been trying feeding without the nipple shields though, as they are too much hassle and it's been going pretty well. I'm hoping that this will continue and that we'll be off them completely in a couple of weeks.

DS has also had colic (on top of everything else!) so we've been using colief for the past 3 weeks. We had one day when he screamed in pain the entire day. I then tried infacol with his evening feed and he did two absolutely huge burps then stopped screaming and went to sleep. It was only after this that I spoke to the health visitor about colic and she suggested colief.

He has been much better on the colief. For the past week every night bar one he's only been having one night wakening - sleeping 10 til 2 or 3 and then 3 or 4 until 5 or 6. I'm beginning to feel a bit more human with the extra sleep.

DP and I are both completely besotted with DS, but have found things a little hard going at times. We've had a few arguments which we wouldn't normally have and we've been much snippier with eachother than normal. DP has been working almost every day since he returned from paternity leave (including weekends and 2 evenings a week) and does a physical job, so he is about as knackered as I am which isn't helping. I'm sure we'll get through this though and that it's just caused by tiredness.

I've also been working a few hours a week since DS was 3 weeks old. I don't get maternity leave so it's been necessary, if a bit crap.
On Monday I have an appointment with the consultant at the hospital to discuss the birth and how it went. I'm fairly certain that if I was to get pregnant again I'd be under consultant care, and I also think that they might suggest ELCS for any future babies, but we'll have to see what they say.

Sorry for the mammoth post. I'll be better at catching up from now on.

kittycatcat · 09/06/2011 14:35

WOW Jolly i am so sorry you have been through so much. Dont blame yourself re the milk. You couldnt have known and Harris is doing well now. hugs.

kitstwins · 09/06/2011 16:11

Jolly sorry to hear you had such an epic experience in hospital - it's a lot to go through so you're doing really well to come through that and hit the ground running with a newborn.

Cycle poo has arrived. Twice. Enormous. Boy is now in an exhausted sleep on the sofa.

Jo glad you're feeling a bit better. I found heat compressions really helped with the pain - I used warm gel pads but other people mentioned warm flannels. It really helped just before a feed to get the milk moving.

I got congratulated on being pregnant the other day by a woman in our local shop. Nope, said I, I've just had the baby and am merely fat! She then compounded it by adding cheerfully "Oh, you look around 12 weeks..." GREAT!

Grizzly baby today. I am doing everything wrong.

kittycatcat · 09/06/2011 16:19

kits what a bitch.

S has fed and slept all day. Am I going to get any sleep today? He's barely been awake since this time yesterday!

mumtomoley · 09/06/2011 16:40

I was just having the same thought kitty G has been asleep most of the day and was just thinking I wonder what tonight will be like.

Also he has quite a dry rash on his face at the moment.. at first I thought it was baby acne but now its a fine rash on his face, ears, neck andshead..When hes hot it comes up more red but sometimes its less noticeable.. its been like that for a few days but its starting to look really dry now and is getting a bit crusty under his hair - any thoughts? Sister said she thinks hes got beginning of cradle cap but the rash is over his face. He's otherwise absolutely fine.

Alibabaandthe80nappies · 09/06/2011 17:10

Jolly - what an awful time you've had, sounds like things are getting a bit better though!
Don't worry about you and DP sniping at each other. DH and I knew it was coming having been through it after DS1, but we've still had some, er, moments! :)

kits - Shock what a cow! Having made the initial comment, surely the decent thing to do is apologise and retreat hastily, not compound it with further comments!??

moley - do you use anything on his skin? Babies often are a bit dry and flakey, we use Oilatum in the bath for both boys, and put Dermol cream on T's face and shoulders as he gets dry patches that look reddish if we leave them. We have a lot of eczema/asthma etc in the family so we were expecting it. I use olive oil on crusty scalps - DS1 still gets a bit of cradle cap now at almost 3.

kitty - T had a sleepy day on Monday and again on Tuesday. Yesterday he was awake all day apart from a couple of small naps and we didn't have a great night last night. He seems more back to normal today.

Jen - sorry to hear about your uncle, thinking of you ((hugs))

daisy - the sleep could be any number of things, although if J was asleep all day then maybe she was just catching up with her milk intake? Can you get more feeds in in the evening period to try and get a better night? T usually has between 3 and 6 feeds from 6pm onwards until he settles for the night, and then we mostly get a decent stretch out of him, 5-7 hours most nights.

Is it possible to go directly from one growth spurt into another?? T had that feeding frenzy for a couple of days, then a couple of really sleepy days which is what I would have expected, and experienced with DS1. But yesterday and today we are into mad feeding again. He has fed at 6am,8am,10.30am,11.45am,2pm,3pm,4pm. Dear God.

Starshaped · 09/06/2011 17:14

P has also been asleep all day, waking only to eat - most unlike her. I'm also wondering what tonight will be like...

Moley - P has a similar rash that comes up from time to time on her face and the back of her neck. At first I thought it was milk spots but they come and go and get more noticeable when she's hot (or hysterical!). They don't seem to bother her, so I'm not too worried. The rash doesn't appear to be on her head though.

mumtomoley · 09/06/2011 17:29

Ali I don't use anything on his skin - should I? I'll give the olive oil a go, though he's got quite a lot of hair so might look like a bit of a grease job!

kittycatcat · 09/06/2011 17:39

Whoop. S just did a MASSIVE poo and is now awake and happy. Yay.

Cyclebump · 09/06/2011 18:14

Wow Jolly, epic! Glad to hear you're getting on better now x

Dear God Kits, I'd have decked her!

Moley, H has very dry skin patches too. Maybe we should try the Oilatum in the bath. I've also found Waitrose baby bottom butter is quite good, not just on bottoms!

The poo arrived in two batches so far, both while he was feeding. I had a hand on his bum to support him while feeding and the second one felt like the nappy was going to be blown off with the force Shock

He had a mega nap at lunch and is asleep again now, I think he's catching up from last night.

DP was meant to be going out tonight but thankfully unfortunately, it's been called off and he's home with us. Smile

DairyBeetle · 09/06/2011 18:44

Jolly sounds like you had a heck of a time but I'm glad to hear it's going well now (and I'm not the only one to get 70ml+ in drips!)

Kits how did you restrain yourself and not thump her?!

Moley sounds similar to S, his scalp and fore head went red then scaley (sp?). His fore head is now totally clear (except a little on one eyebrow) and his scalp is clearing up. Like Ali I've been putting olive oil on, though he has a fair bit of hair so it does look like wet look gel! I do have to resist the urge to pick the loose flakes though (I know, I know >boak< I just can't resist!) Blush

S has been having big feeds today (rather than more often), it's quite nice as now my supply is much better at regulating itself my boobs feel really light!

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt · 09/06/2011 20:43

Sorry to hear about your fil Lis, how are you and your dh?

Any news on your uncle Jen?

I has baby acne and looks a proper minger. DS1 had it but not for too long, I hope it's the same with I. I feel I need to make excuses for him every time someone looks at him!

Kits - why oh why do people feel the need to comment, and then compound it by being just plain rude?

Ali - I have experienced one growth spurt quickly followed by another, it's bloody exhausting.

We have nicknamed I 'Truffle Pig' because he is such a grunter. Last night I had the truffle pig on one side snorting away and then dh on the other snoring. And there was me in the middle wide awake because of the bloody noise they were making. To say I was Annoyed is an understatement......

I've also realised these past few days that I am over handling I when he's tired. So I've been putting him down when he's almost asleep rather than asleep and he's been going to sleep himself - albeit with some grunting and general truffle pigging. Before that he was dropping off in my arms then abruptlÅ· waking up again five minutes later, I think I was over stimulating him - you would think I would have worked this out by number three!

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Sassy20 · 09/06/2011 23:17

Kits thanks for the much needed pep talk re nipple shields. I've persevered and am pleased to report that L has had two feeds without them today. Supply still not great though so have had to top up with formula. Now taking fenugreek to try and boost supply-anyone any experience of this?

Can't believe the woman in the shop. I would never ask someone if they're pregnant just in case and the fact she added at what stage you looked is just adding to the insult. I hope you glared at her!!!

Sorry to hear about problems various people are having and particularly about FIL and Uncle-not easy to deal with when got new babies to look after.

Alibabaandthe80nappies · 09/06/2011 23:25

Sassy - I'm sorry I meant to post about shields earlier.

I used them for about a month with DS1, and yes they did affect my supply although DS1 was still gaining weight slowly. I pumped after each feed, just for 5 mins, for about a week and it had a huge beneficial effect. If you are really struggling then ask your GP for some domperidome which will get things moving very quickly.

Great news that you have managed some feeding without them, that will also really help with supply.

Don't give yourself a hard time, BFing can be bloody hard work.

fraktious · 10/06/2011 06:24

Cripes Jolly. You've been amazingly brave and well done on the feeding! I thought I leaked like a sieve but I've never caught 70ml per feed!

ILTMI we have a little piglet here as well! In fact he's currently wearing a Winnie the Pooh and Tigger body so that makes a full house.

Sassy well done on feeding without the shields! I'm sure you'll be shield free in now time.

Kits what a cow. But if it's 9 months on, 9 months off then you're doing well to only look 12 weeks Grin

Cycle those explosive poos are scary! My sister was on the receiving end (through a nappy) of one of M's masterpieces and her face was a picture.

We have some cradle cap here too. Olive oil and using a baby hair brush to stimulate blood flow are both helping and M seems to enjoy the hair brushing!

M seems to wake around 6.30 very windy, or at least partially rouse. He doesn't wind well after his middle-of-the-night feed but it's bottom wind so I think it must be from earlier in the day, but he winds well then Confused Or it could be the bastard thrush through his digestive system but we'll see whether that clears up with treatment.

Cyclebump · 10/06/2011 09:28

I feel horribly guilty Sad

H was FREEZING when he woke us up at 7.30am. It was warmish last night but the temperature dropped and he kicked his blankets off. I took him into our bed and gave him a snuggly feed and nap for an hour to warm him up. He's now all snotty and I'm worried he's got a cold.

He's kicking happily now but I feel awful.

Also, anyone else's baby tongue sucking? He keeps sticking his tongue out a bit and sucking it against his top gums. We do think that's where the main toothy movements are so could it be more teething behaviour?

MrsWajs · 10/06/2011 10:56

R has been doing something similar with her tongue cycle I did wonder wha it was - I hope it's not teething already!! She does have a little white ?tooth bud on her top gum, near the back, but she's had that since she was born!

R is a 'my little pony' - she makes whinnying noises and other horsey sounds when she can't get her wind up! More so during the night too. She is awful to get wind from, have switched from infacol to dentinox to see if that works any better but the evenings are becoming pretty stressful, she screams after every feed and when you sit her up and try to wind her she goes mad! I'm wondering if she has a slight touch of silent reflux but I'm not sure, does anyone have any experience of this??

Another question for those of you who have had more than one, when your AF re-appeared was it heavy??? Mine started on Monday and it is ridiculous how much I am bleeding! Almost as much as it was after I'd just had R. Embarrasingly leaked through pad and through onto jeans yesterday so am back on to night time extra absorbent pads again. Bloody lochia only finished about a week before this started too :(

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