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FannyPriceless · 26/05/2011 12:18

Enter all ye ESHes. We've been Barren, we've been Pregnant - now at last we are Child-Rearing.

  • Come share your questionable tips on raising a real live baybee!
  • Compete with Cunty to take control of the bad mummy crown!
  • Eat crap ham - after all, you deserve it!
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Lighttaperstandback · 22/06/2011 13:33

Would agree with others Rocket that baby R is so young, I'd go with whatever method works to get her to sleep at this early stage, esp when they are primarily really only awake for the purposes of being fed... Bad habits can still be broken when she's a bit older. We used a dummy during early months, but once squib got a bit older he seemed to be more interested in playing with it than sucking on it, so I ditched it. So much can change in what works with them as they get older, I really wouldn't start to worry that you're forming bad habits just yet!

For what it's worth, I'm trying to break the feed to sleep cycle myself (esp at night), and Squib's 7 months old. My way of reckoning it was to withdraw the actual feeding element, whilst still offering comfort. After holding Squib for an hour and a half on Monday night, he cried a couple of times in the night last night, but seemed to drop off instantly as the crying stopped before I'd even got out of bed. Not that I'm going to say we've "cracked" it just yet

Cosmosis · 22/06/2011 13:49

That?s what we did light and it didn?t take that long, around 2 weeks I think ? although we did it for all sleeps at the same time. I cuddled and shhh/patted to sleep instead.

We also decided at the same time to cut down night feeds so he only has 1 feed in the night, and DH went to all other wakings. Most nights now he only wakes once, for a feed. He probably doesn?t ?need? the feed but I?m going to carry it on till he?s one as because of me beign at work ft now he only gets 4oz milk from 8 till 6, so think he needs as much milk as I can give him really.

I know I had major sleep issues with him after Christmas, but they were mostly my fault I think. Because he?d been waking at 10 and 3 for feeds up till then, when he started waking more I assumed he needed feeding, so I fed him. Then it came so that he wouldn?t go to sleep without and we got into a vicious circle. He had been self settling (completely learned on his own) and I managed to feed that out of him! Lesson learned for next time?.

Medee · 22/06/2011 14:43

EA was harder than usual to settle last night - additional feeds, lots of comforting, stories, then finally she dropped off. She remained settled after that for the night, but we have been totally spoiled over the last couple of weeks, so I am dreading the 4 month growth spurt.

She had her 12 week jabs today, horrible cry immediately after, cured quickly by a feed. Then she's been clingy and hungry most of the time since, but is now happily playing on her mat!

Lighttaperstandback · 22/06/2011 14:47

Arse. Need to go to the shops but it's been pissing down with rain so just settled Squib in his cot for a nap. And it's sunny now. And I'm stuck in the house. Guess I'll have to take him to the shops when he wakes.

What to do? Ooh, look, Wimbledon's on and we have chocolate in the house! Grin

CluckyKate · 22/06/2011 15:16

Why do they do that, eh Lights. Both kids and the dog sound asleep in this house too. Don't know why muttley needs the rest - attempted to walk her this morning but it started to rain and she ran around for about 30 seconds before retreating to the car. No point in going for a walk without the dog now is there?!

I luffs Wimbledon and Venus:Date-Krum game is riveting. Murray on again later to another nail-biter.

Lighttaperstandback · 22/06/2011 16:40

Only got a few games in anyways...my beloved child is a big fan of the 45 minute powernap. Never kips for more than a total of about an hour and a half during the day... Still, have stocked up on material to do some more batches of mush. As fast as I can fill the ice trays these days, he's troughing through them...

His Dad has come home and appears to be teaching my son to do headstands. I would have thought the other way up would be the better starting point at this stage of his development? Confused

Medee · 22/06/2011 16:43

EA has been snoring away on me since 20 minutes after that last post - good job for good tennis!

Medee · 22/06/2011 17:00

Muser just flicking through my photos and realised you had asked about EA's spotty suit - it's from a place called babybarn. Only problem with this particular piece is there are no crotch poppers - but that is forgiveable when it is so cute! www.babybarn.co.uk/product/organics-for-kids-spotty-kimono-romper-raspberry-6-12-months

Cosmosis · 22/06/2011 17:27

I fecking hate wimbledon. still the best sporting event in the universe is about to start so sod wimbledon.

rocketleaf · 22/06/2011 18:49

I hate Wimbledon too, which is a shame as it would be the perfect way to while away the next two weeks. Not really a bit fan of watching sport on tv apart from Winter sports and BMXing/skating, always like to see a good face plant

Just to clarify I am not worried about spoiling Sprout at this stage, it was more of a rhetorical question initially. Would be nice if her timings didn't always clash with tea time tho as she always seems to be most clingy when I want to eat. I don't want to introduce a dummy at this stage (even tho it would be easier than sticking a finger in her gob) as I am still a bit paranoid about nipple confusion. Until feeding is pain free I am going to steer clear. Oh well, just have to put up with it for now and eat cold pasta for dinner. She ace the rest of the time so not really complaining.

CurlyCasper · 22/06/2011 19:07

I hate watching most sports on telly. This time of year is hell for me and yet it,s when I laid! There was a world cup match on this time last year, which I ended up watching on the maternity ward. An England match and I bloody watched it.
It's nearly wine o'clock!

CluckyKate · 22/06/2011 20:46

I quite like watching sport - just wish there was a bit more equestrian stuff and a bit less golf.
Looking forward to the Olympics next year....AIBU to want to extend my mat leave so I can loaf around & watch it on the box (as I didn't get any 'kin tickets) while the kids are in nursery??? Hmm

Muser · 22/06/2011 20:54

Thanks for that Medee, some lovely stuff there. No crotch poppers does sound a bit of a mare though.

That reminds me. Does anyone have a baby who violently objects to nappy changes outside of the house? Inside the house, fine. Change her on the grass in the park, fine. Stick her on one of those fold down change tables in a proper baby change - screams bloody murder? Tears, wails, just horrified. Pick her up and give her a cuddle, fine. Put her down, tears, wails. I am at a loss.

On the sleep, I say go with what works for you. I feed to sleep at night. For a long time I moaned about how bloody long it took and how I really needed to find another way. A few people told me to hang on and it would get better. And it did. It now usually takes about half an hour and she's suddenly shifted her bedtime forward to 8.30ish.

Problem with feeding to sleep is it does make going out for the evening tricky. But as I have not had any invitations I've wanted to accept yet I don't mind. And I'm too bloody tired anyway. I'm sure I'll go out again at some point. Right?

You might not want my thoughts on sleep though as we are still in sleep regression hell here. I am still trying to ride it out. Haven't quite decided at what point I get tough. She is so close to rolling over just now and I'm hoping when she does that might help. I just wish she'd stop trying to practice at 4am.

MadameBoo · 22/06/2011 22:17

So, what does one wear to an ESH meet? I have one Boden dress in my wardrobe... Wink

Huge sympathies Muse I remember that 'practising' in the middle of the night. He was so proud of himself when he managed it too that he would still wake up at ridiculouso'clock, roll over, push himself up on his hands and grin at me.

Re baby change - maybe she doesn't like the harder surface or the brighter lights? Maybe you just need to stop using nice convenient changing rooms and do it in the middle of the high street....

Medee · 22/06/2011 22:48

I don't, Muser, but I know a woman who does. It is as if her baby is afraid she might be seen. She doesn't have a solution other than to keep going as fast as possible.

MadameBoo · 22/06/2011 23:07

FannyP please to post on this thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/baby_names/1243626-Is-Fanny-a-suitable-name-for-my-fifth

AlpinePony · 23/06/2011 06:16

boo I will be wearing joules, a piss-stick crown and some large judgey pants.

Cosmosis · 23/06/2011 09:04

I just used to drape a muslin over him and eat my tea anyway Grin

Muser · 23/06/2011 09:50

In the name of sleep. Will my child PLEASE learn to roll over already. It is rather hard to sleep through a baby desperately thrashing in the cot accompanied by delighted little coos. I would admire her, but it was 4AM. Again.

CluckyKate · 23/06/2011 11:11

Careful what you wish for Muse - once they can roll they flip over all night long and seem to lose the ability to roll back Hmm

BC has mastered rolling and is currently stressing over the fact that he can't sit up. So, one milestone sussed and then it's onto the next Smile

Scorpette · 23/06/2011 12:04

Sorry to dash in and be mememe, but need help Sad Mr T is the most sublime creature alive, but feel like I'm in the remake of Boxing Helena right now. I only get about 40 mins a day to myself - seriously! - and this happens to be it. He wants/needs to feed all the time and inbetween feeds, wants to sleep. Sleep on his back, over my tummy. There can be no other way! He goes mental if I move just to try to take a sip out of a bottle of water, never mind put him down anywhere. He insists on feeding in really odd, twisted positions and I have to hold his head and my boob to stop him hurting me/suffocating himself, so I am spending all day with my hands occupied by that. Am spending 20 hrs a day sat in one position, I shit you not, which is giving me terrible knee pain. All his lying on my gut is giving me crippling abdo pain. I am also still in incomprehensible pain from all the crapulence from my birth injuries and anal fissure, etc., etc.

Also, I have vasospasm in my nipples, which is Raynaud's Disease of the boobs, so my nips are going white all the time and the blood supply cutting off and whenever he feeds, the pain is so intense that I am literally screaming for the first 5 mins of each feed, whilst tears stream from my eyes - a neighbour has complained twice now about the noise I make. Not Mr T - me! There's nothing to help with that - either stop BFing or continue and grin and bear it. Also, his latch isn't great and he keeps coming off every few mins when he starts, which makes it 100 x worse. He likes to feed for 15 mins, sleep for 20 mins, feed for 10, sleep for 10... you get the picture. And the constant latching on means constant whitehot nip pain!
And he won't take in more than the actual main nipple - several MWs, my Doc and the NCT counsellor have failed to help me get him to take in more. He's sucking on just enough to get a proper milk flow but not enough to stop it hurting me. He also won't feed unless he's on the BFing pillow - goes mental and twists his head violently whilst on the nipple (OW!) if I try to hold him in my arms or attempt any other type of hold.

Because of my food allergies, there's no food I can snack on easily and have at hand; everything I eat has to be prepared and cooked and eaten with utensils. I am going an average of 5-6 from waking before I get to eat, as Mr T goes insane if not laid on me. One day, I went 8 hours without any food whatsoever from the time I get up. I don't get to eat my main meal or have a wash until after 10pm, as that's the only time he will settle or let TYF hold him.

Also, he just won't go in the wrap. He hates being in the upright position... or indeed any position that's not laid on me. And it has to be half on the BFing pillow or he'll go insane and then he overheats and gets wet with sweat and I just worry then about c.o.t. d.e.a.t.h.

I can't walk more than 5 mins cos of birth injuries and so on and can't get the pram down the stairs unaided, so am trapped in the flat, even if he would stop crying enough to be taken out. Baths, massage, playing, cuddling, stories - he hates them all. It has to be near-constant BFing or nothing. I feel like I'm going insane and can't stop crying because I feel like I can't possibly go on like this. Is not PND - I feel like I'm being tortured 24-7. It's not just the grindingness of it all, I'm in so much fucking pain all the time. I love him so much but I didn't imagine I'd suffer this much. Am getting @3 hours sleep a night, max, and no chance for naps in the day. My left hand now constantly shakes due to the fatigue and the crampiness of always having to hold him.

Blahblahblah. Sorry for whining on, just had to let it out. Am also being a complete bitch to TYF all the time, who does everything he can to help and relieve me and never complains and tolerates my whinging and moocow-ishness.

Scorpette · 23/06/2011 12:06

PS We have a laughable amount of gizmos that play white noise/soothing sounds, have a soothing light or rhythm, etc. - they don't help either.

SilverSky · 23/06/2011 12:53

Oh score! Sad

Have you called LLL helpline? Is there any advice on the Breastfeeding Network site?

I can sympathise with some elements of what you are going through. MB had colic. Screamed every night. Non stop feeding. My cs recovery was slow and painful. We both had thrush. Everytime he cue'd hunger I'd be in tears and the pain was horrific.

Have you tried a dummy? How about putting a nightie or Tshirt that you've been wearing in the Moses or in pram after hot water bottle has warmed the mattress a little?

SilverSky · 23/06/2011 13:07

What I meant was I Obv sympathise on all points and have had some similar situ's myself which I think I can relate to you on.

The main thing is that things do get easier. Doesn't feel like it. But it does. Often it improves and you don't even notice.

Having a baybee is tough. It tests everything. Your relationship, your sanity and everything else in between. It's relentess it really is. Nothing wrong with looking longingly at the front door thinking if only I could escape.

Medee · 23/06/2011 13:22

oh Score, what a tough time you are having. Sounds like if you could fix the latch, he would feed quicker and more comfortably and you might have time for the other stuff. I'm not sure what else to suggest over and above what you are doing. Is there anything on Rocket's BF thread that might help? Could it be tongue tie? I'd suggest expressing, but not sure when you could fit that in.

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