July 2010: old-skool, the worm, commando and shuffling on the bum: that's the way crawling's done

[CakeandRoses]

Well that gives them all of about 14 day's worth of chat to get crawling then

I don't know cakes I always thought it was just me. It always makes me really when I watch tv shows and they show all the army wives supporting each other and think why wasn't it like that for me.

Maybe it's just when they get together that their really cliquey and horrid? And like chulita said I experienced alot of "well my husband is a higher rank then yours therefore your below me and not good enough to talk to" the trade that dh did didn't help either it was looked down on by most people.

Right, that was supposed to be a quick 15 min break before finishing reading but ended up in a marathon phone call to me lovely mum.

cake A actually pooed through her trousers? now that's something!

kkfairy a brazilian?? you brave woman! I don't know anyone where we're buying but we won't be moving there incredibly soon unless we quit this life.

tsc I hadn't thought of that site, might try it. 40 mins from you isn't so bad, Clara and Lucy are similar ages too which always helps.

spirael fortunately I didn't have an angel come down to proclaim his birth otherwise I'd be leaving his hair well alone. Good thing too cos I did have the odd tipple while pg which I think was banned too

mlic sorry, I wasn't ignoring your post, I just hadn't got that far on the thread. Good for you for stopping when you did, that must have terrified you!

dylthan that was really sweet, thank you! :) We'll quit one day, it's just hard to know what to move on to cos as I'm sure you know, the forces don't train you up to leave. We have no idea what DH would do so we're aiming to get all our children born and then I'll train as a mw and the pressure's off him then.

cake we're in a 'special' place at the mo so there are a heck of a lot of people who think that their husbands are worth more than mine. Like dylthan mine's in a very useful trade but it's not well thought of. They couldn't manage without them though so it's all stupid. I don't know why we don't all pull together, we're all in the same boat and surely you'd want to befriend people who understand where you're coming from...

mlic I agree re sure start, they're brilliant for fobbing children off none near me here though

I'm off to try a bf group tomorrow morning, the same one as last week only hopefully this time it'll be more than just me! And someone moved in opposite today so DH and I are going to take them a box of chocolate fingers and welcome them to the hellhole area.

tsc insurance done?

kkfairy and by 'quit this life' I don't mean dying I mean moving on to some other job - sounded a bit final when I re-read it!
I'm sure you're not boring either, I think we all worry about that sometimes, I know even with my mum I chat for ages, hang up and think 'my goodness I just blithered on about nothing' but hey ho, she still loves me :)

We'll just have to keeping nagging gently reminding you til then Tbh DH is trying to get back into his running and I'm not very encouraging. I kind of resent it really cos S wants feeding so often I can't go out for a trot even if I had the energy. When he gets in from work I'd like him to field the children so I can mn do important stuff, so I get where you're coming from.

cakes I want to try that CG thing, my hair is kinked rather than curly but I might still try it. L's hair is a bird's nest and a nightmare to brush so this could work wonders for her. What stuff did you get?

Off to bed now, sweet dreams to all and sleep tight little ones!

tsc hope you wake up to an empty landing tomorrow

evening all

mlic you poor luv, no wonder you cried. Stupid woman should have been watching her child instead of on the phone. You a bit better now?

chulita thats crap treating you like that, bitches.

kk poor ellie, whats up with her? You are brave with the brazilian
-dh wants me to get one-

cakes what conditioner do you use? I have naturally curly hair and think R is inheriting it

You probs saw on fb that R got signed of by the consultant today. She is 19lb 10 and 71.2cm so has grew well since last appointment. We stopped the ranitadine at xmas when she had the bronchiolitus and have to try without carobel see how it goes. Just to keep an eye on her and if it flares up we've to be re-referred

what's with the strike-out failure? i bloody love striking out and mn will far less funny without it

ok curly girl (or the bits i liked)

• don't use products with silicon ('cones or 'xanes)
• use lightweight conditioner to actually wash your hair (i just use the 'natural' one i was already using

- massage all over, brush through and then rinse

• plop your hair into a microfibre towel, pillowcase or t-shirt - ie bend from the waist and lower your hair down onto the towel, then twirl the ends of the towel into sausages and secure at the back of your head (i looked on youtube to understand this as hard to explain verbally)
• then diffuse or airdry using product if wanted
• you can also do cleans now and again using sugar or salt to scrub or baking soda with water, can also do rinses using dilute cider vinegar (i did that today)

my hair looks properly clean but the ends are way less dry (i'm overdue for a trim)

from what i've read the no-shampoo thing works on all hair types as conditioner has enough cleansers in anyway

chulita supposed to be fab for children (esp with sensitive skin) as it keeps chemicals down

this british curlies site is useful

this blog with pics of one woman's no-shampoo journey is interesting

good plopping vid

Tee hee...I went out and had 4 whole pints....yay

Evening ladies. Just saying hi and sending my love to everyone. I promise i'll try and post properly soon xxx

hello needle

more on curly girl:

Why silicones are Bad:

Most of the highly commercialized lines of hair products (Pantene, Garnier Fructis, Aussie, Tressame, Sunsilk, etc.). contain silicones. These are ingredients that generally end in -cone, -conol, or -xane. If at all possible avoid silicones and also waxes in your hair products. Short term, silicones will make hair look sleeker and less frizzy, but in the long run they will coat the hair shaft of porous curly hair and seal out moisture, causing the hair to become straw like, less defined, and frizzy. Hence, silicones make quick fixes for frizz, but over time, they are truly damaging your hair. Sulfates get rid of silicones, but at the expense of completely stripping your hair of all of its natural oils! The solution to these problems is to eliminate both sulfates (in your shampoos) and silicones (in your conditioners and styling products). An exception to this rule: if a silicone has "PEG" in front of it, it is water-soluble and will not cause product build up.

Fucking awful night. It was a result of him refusing the spoon.

I cant get the porridge into him so he woke up every 1-2 hours. Hes using me as a dummy now but he wont take an actual dummy.
Hoping this was a one off but if it continues, sleep training is in order.

Cake, perhaps it would be easier if we just had a list of the things we're allowed to use! :-s

Right. Bedtime bootcamp begins tonight in this house.

dh sounds pretty bad dh try not to stress too much about the solids as there's not much you can do. Might be the 6m growth spurt rather than the lack of solids as lots of babies hardly get any solids still (esp blw ones) but still sleep ok.

Aurelia's had bugger all solids but most nights still sleeps ok altho is waking for a night feed which she'd previously dropped.

which reminds me, forgot to make her porridge pancake last night...

right, chulita. keeping meaning to tell you what I/my friend did with our children's eczema once we got our hands on the PP. Continue coating child all over with an intensive moisturiser, Aveeno was fine for Felix as he probably had mild-moderate eczema (bleeding and sore but only in places and never had an infection) whereas my friend's dd's was severe (bleeding sores and infections all over) so she needed to use something 'stronger' to moisturise. We then used PP where the skin was broken, sore etc. I think my friend also used it on infected places - i think the instructions just say to ensure you don't spread it to another area.

there was one small patch that my friend's dd still had eczema after this but she found an arbonne cream which sorted that.

Felix's eczema has now totally gone but his skin is still dry and sensitive in places so i put the PP on occasionally in dry areas/teething rash to keep it at bay. i think my friend now has to continue the routine of always maintaining and moisturising her dd's skin but it's 90pc or so better. She did have years of damage to her skin from infections, steroids and SLS so her skin is very thin.

if you'd like me to put you in contact with my friend so you can ask her the exact routine and other products then just let me know. i'm sure she'd be v happy to help as she's been there before and only found out about PP from another mother.

urgh i am ill, no energy, feel sick and achy. slept so badly - went to bed with j at 7pm but didn't get to sleep till nearly 3am. j is still feeding every 3 hours all through the night, don't know how to stop it. also he still has a dodgy tummy and does stinky explosive poos at least at every feed. we are getting better at nighttime nappy changes but had one at 2am where he woke right up so was wide awake for an hour.

at your dm (darling martyr) tsc

we've got my sister popping in for lunch then off to the playbarn meet-up afterwards - and there's cakes . My friend's dh (who meets us with their dd) is an ace baker and has made cakes for a bday party tomo but has saved some for me to have today.

dh getting on my nerves a tad, i can't get a straight answer out of him as to when he can be around for the children so i can have a smear, haircut and a facial (not all at once) so have resorted to emailing him at work which i know he hates as he thinks his secretary will read it. so he replies 'either talk to me at home or email my personal account'. i've bloody well tried that and didn't get an answer

am thinking of just arranging it all with his secretary instead

right, just off to bollock felix into bed...

right, today i royally fucked up the morning routine again by trying to put F down too early at 10.30am. so he's been up again to do (another) poo and then argued for half an hour about going to sleep and then went to sleep on the dot of 11 by which time A had been asleep for half hour so i've wasted half hour of baby-nap time

think i've set myself too much of a challenge by expecting to get them both asleep within 5 minutes of each other when A is already knackered by 10.30am and F isn't ready for sleep til 11am.

am i being cruel by keeping A up til 10.30am when she was previously having her first nap at around 9.15am? She wasn't crying at breakfast but looked tired. i'm hoping she'll adjust.

Note: felix and i don't go down for breakfast til 9am hence why i'm trying to get her nap later so she can eat with us.

poor you woodlands, hope you're get rid of the bug quickly. i don't know why 'they' say babies sleep thru from 8 weeks or whatever, look at this thread, the sleepers are in the minority

i think it's impressive you can get any overlap between their naps at all!

yes, I wasn't expecting him to sleep through any time early on, but somehow I had it in my head that by about 6 months we might be getting more sleep. someone told me that sleep never gets worse, it only gets better, which is the biggest lie! Actually I'm used to the every 3 hour routine now, as normally (touch wood) he goes back to sleep vry quickly in between. i've taken to giving him a muslin to go to sleep with and he likes to pull it over his face, which is a bit offputting to see, but it seems to settle him very quickly.

dh how are you and your nethers today after yesterdays unfortunate accident?