August 2010 - new thread ladies!

[Chulita]

New thread cos we've nearly filled the last one!

Oooh just had a Whole Nights Sleep!!

Woo hoo

The washing up liquid tip is one from the mother in law much as it pains me to admit it !

Mmmm haven't tried C with mandarins yet - that's the snack for today sorted :) thanks chulita!

Big huge WHOOOOP on your whole nights sleep gya! That's brilliant :)

Got to take my lovely car back today as dhI feel it's no longer needed as I'm not going back to work this time. Will be so so sad this afternoon. We'll be a one car family again which is brilliant but I'm definitely going to miss the convenience of having it there tho!

Hope everyone has a lovely Friday :) xxxx

Yes it could be the reason for the epidural eg traumatic long labour plus possible interventions that affect BFing, because they say the drug itself doesn't reach the baby.

The whole guilt thing for childbirth and BFing is depressing, love your outlook Sybil!

I think the whole 'big baby = lots of pain' thing comes from TV/dramas because giving birth to a big baby doesn't have to be painful at all. It's the bits leading up to giving birth that can be so long and drawn out and agonising and that's nothing to do with how big the baby is. That ties in with childbirth being a bit of a mystical/scary thing which some people know very little about! My SIL gave birth to a near 9lb baby with no pain relief - but she just has babies and doesn't even realise she is in labour! Everyone copes with pain differently and if I become a hypnobirthing practitioner I'll try to make sure my clients don't feel guilty if they want an epidural.

All my babies are poorly . The twins gave some sort of respiritory tract infection and Daniel has viral croup (same virus). Just calpol and Nurofen, Dan and Theo seem ok but Esther has taken herself off to bed for a sleep and has missed tea. Goodness knows how long she'll be up tonight now! Last night they both woke at about 10.30pm with a fever - gave them some nurofen and water and went back to bed. Fofr about 2 hours they were singing 10 in the bed and having an argument over whether their cups were orange or yellow (they are orange).

Oops I have posted that on the wrong PN thread . I thought I was on my June 08 thread

LOL neez I bet I would do that if I was running two threads.

Congrats GYA on a whole night's sleep. I cannot imagine what that must feel like! I don't think E is ever going to sleep through the night. I mean, obviously he has to at some point, but it seems as likely as winning the lottery or summat. I was sort of hoping some solids would make a little bit of difference, but all it seems to have done is turned E's poos evil. Ugh, a little carrot goes a long way, eh??

I think my plan is to get serious on his ass (as they might say in a bad cop movie) once he's actually getting 3 lots of food a day and I know he's not hungry. When would you seasoned veterans say that is? 9 months? We're going to California in May for three weeks and I think after that (dealing with travelling/jetlag anyway) we'll put him in his own room then.

In other news, E has started shrieking like a fox whenever I leave the room and making lots of cross/shouty noises when I'm not being the most entertaining person in the world (i.e. when I'm doing anything that doesn't involve gazing at him adoringly or playing/singing). Exhausting and frazzling!

Hi everyone! I think I've cracked our awful sleep problem. It's a long story so follow link below if interested...

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/sleep/1154093-The-my-baby-wont-nap-sign-here-thread?msgid=23919418#

Nat- I knew she wasn't hungry as having 2 bottles a day plus 3 meals and would only faff with the bottle if I tried it in the night.
They say sleep training can be done from 6 months but she is almost 7.

Neenz- with you on the poorly baby thing. We spent another night admitted to hospital after Tilly was projectile vomiting nearly every feed.
Think it's all connected to her wheezing not anything to do with her stomach but could be wrong.

She has been on oxygen overnight and I think they are reviewing her feeds today then hopefully get to go home...

Watch this space, I said that last time and was in 5 days

vix that's great, you must be so relieved! Hope it continues to go well :)

Hope Tilly's ok gya x

Vix, fab news on A's sleep! I know GF gets a lot of bad press but her routines do work (I know yours is not GF but it can be any routine as long as baby doesn't get overtired). Well done!

Nat, I sleep-trained the twins at 8m because they were having 3 good meals a day. They were sleeping through in 3 days. I think each child is different, you'll probably just know when he is ready.

The twins are a bit better today but Daniel is worse - he has a constant stream of snot coming out of his nose and is all bunged up and grouchy. I was up twice with him in night and once with Esther. Theo slept through and Esther woke twice more so DH got up to her. Now he is back in bed exhausted! They have no stayin power these men, the human race would have died out if it was up to fellas to get up every night to feed their babies!

Hi all, sorry Tilly is poorly again gya but hope she perks up soon. But great you had a whole night's sleep! Like nat, I haven't had one yet, hey ho. But compared with where we were say 6 weeks ago, life is a walk in the park.
neenz, I have no idea how you manage with twins as well as a teeny tiny. Hero territory methinks!
vix so glad things are getting better.

Well, we are having progress here. E was 26 weeks yesterday (6m tomorrow) so last night we moved her into her own room. It went pretty well, was down about 8.45pm after a couple of false starts, then woke at 1am and 5am (although the 5am wake-up was a bit pants as I had to go back in twice, then send DH in at 6.30am as she was being restless - but fell asleep with the mobile on and we were in bed til 9am)

She seems quite happy in her own room and I have to say it was GREAT to be able to get undressed with the light on, talk in normal voices once in bed and sneeze without having to bury my head in the pillow.

We've also started introducing some of the scary allergenic foods - a bit of gluten in the form of breadsticks yesterday, and full-fat milk in her babyrice this morning. We've also gone to 3 'meals' a day, with lunch being BLW fingerfoods which I found quite amusing - bits of mango, carrot, banana and breadstick. Not sure she actually ate any of it at all, but she did suck the mango a bit and enjoyed squashing up the banana in her hands

Let's hope tonight is another good one - at the moment we tend to get one good night followed by one crap one, although the night waking isn't really a problem, it's the getting her down in the evening which is so hit and miss.

Neenz you are so wrong- the human race wouldve died out if the men were the pregnant ones who gave birth!!

Still in hospital though not on oxygen so we shall see..

They have said a few times that we can go but then say wait a bit longer so hopefully not going to stay here tonight

Hello everyone,

Sounds like eventful weekends for some of you ladies...

gya I hope T is better soon and you can bring her home (if you're not home already). Big hugs xx

neenz I have snotty children here too! Me and C seem to have dodged it but dh, Rio and Sophie are all snotty yukky messy people :).

Think I need to sort out a proper bedtime for C too cos he doesn't really fall asleep until 10:30pm ish which is great mostly as he sleeps then until 7 or 8 ish - does he need a proper bedtime yet? I think Sophie and Rio got their bedtimes at 12m and it was 9pm to start with, then 8pm. When they were 2y they went to bed at 7pm and that's how it's stayed. Does this sound ok? (does it even make sense lol)

Half term this week, trying to think of ways to entertain my darlings, no park within walking distance, no car as I took it back on Friday (very sad day, lots of pathetic tears from me - you wouldn't believe it's just a car!!). I have a 'rainy day' box with lots a glue, glitter, paper, pictures and paints etc in that we could do, we're going to make pizza and cupcakes too but that doesn't fill a whole week!!
Oh well, I'll think of something I'm sure :)

Happy Monday everyone xxxx

Hi Cherry, it always makes me feel better when someone says they don't really have a bedtime because ours is such a moveable feast/failure!

We seem to alternate one good night followed by one bad night. Last night, apart from about half an hour at 7.45pm, I couldn't get E to sleep until 12.30am. I spent all evening going in and out, initially rocking her back to sleep, then some feeding, then despairing because although she fed for a good long while it didn't send her to sleep, then putting her down in the cot with the projector mobile thingy which bought me about half an hour and several times made me think she'd gone to sleep, in, out, in out more times than the Hokey Cokey. Eventually I rocked her to sleep after holding her v quietly for a long, long time.

I honestly don't know why sometimes she'll go down a treat (ish, it's still 90% feed to sleep which is fine for now) and others we're up until goodness knows when before she will eventually submit. I'm pretty sure she's tired because she usually falls asleep for about 45 mins at the beginning of the night, is then still mostly asleep when I try to rock her back then somewhere along the line she just pings back awake. I tried getting up earlier but it doesn't seem to make a blind bit of difference, adding an extra nap so that the 7pm ish sleep is a proper sleep rather than a nap, but she won't do one, and she gets 3 hours of decent sleep during the day. Gah.

Crikey belly she keeps you busy doesn't she!! I personally don't think it matters if our little ones have a bedtime at this age yet, my kiddies turned out ok :)

I hope E settles soon for you, sounds like you're overdue a good (full) nights sleep :)

Xxx

Vix really interested to hear about your method to get your little one to nap/self-soothe to sleep. What has then impact been like on your nights?

I have tried in the past to have E sleep every 2 hours, but my DH completely disagrees that he needs that much sleep and so I don't always get the support I need to keep going with it. Plus I find it really hard that the whole day ends up being about naptime in this really anal way. E went through a phase of not napping AT ALL, even rocked, walked in the pram, cars...nothing. Now he's napping well again, but only really feed to sleep, on the move or rocked.

I'm really trying to work out how to move on from this really assisted falling asleep and your method sounds good... How did you introduce the sleep terms/how long before you saw results? E is such a limb-flailer and seems to hate being on his back in his sleep, am not sure this method will work for us, but I do need to start something...

GYA How's Tilly?

I have a non napper too!! I think that's why C sleeps so well at night tho (except tonight as he has rosy cheeks, a temperature and awful nappy rash - classic teething symptoms, I expect he'll have some tushy pegs soon :) hooray!!

Hope it passes quickly tho, it's truly horrid seeing him in so much discomfort :(.

Happy dreams to all (if your babies let you ) xxxx

Oops I forgot my closing bracket! I'm sure you get the gist tho :) xx

Nat the change has been miraculous! Weve gone from hourly waking and having to cosleep and feed up to 7 times per night to ds sleeping in cot from 6-3 then feeding, then sleeping from 3.15-7.30. And I'm only on day 5!!!

He stumbled last night cos he has a stuffy nose but after hard work on today's (yesterday now) naps he's been out for the count since 6.

I, on the other hand, cannot sleep despite only getting 3 hours last night. Hmph.

Ps ds flails all over the place and I have resorted to good old fashioned swaddling which is working a treat. If you look at the other thread I linked to I've gone into a lot of detail about my method but tbh at the moment I am very much assisting to sleep. I'll tackle self soothing later for now the fact he sleeps at all is a miracle because he never napped and never slept more than 8 hrs at night. He was so overtired and I misread it all for energy and excitement!!!

How do you help him go to sleep vix? I can't get J to nap in his cot, only with difficulty in the pram which he's getting too big for

Marzi try leaving him crying for 5-10mins. I always find the best time for self-settling is first nap of the day approx 2hrs after getting up.

Marzi if you check my other posts on the other thread it explains how I settle. I would type it all again but takes a lifetime onehanded on my iPhone!!

Not had to leave to cry though I must admit. X

Hello, remember me?

We are now resorting to 'crying it out' and i hate to admit but it actually seems to be working. I got two books from the library - The Sleep Book For Tired Parents, and Sleep Solutions. Both were very helpful, and made me feel that i wasn't being a bad mother for leaving him to cry, but that sleeping is such a huge part of life, and learning to sleep such an important life skill that it was in the baby's best interest to learn how to sleep as soon as possible. Both suggested that 6m was the optimum age for sleep training. Last night was our 3rd night and F went down at 8pm, woke at 11pm, chatted away to himself, fell back to sleep with no imput from us at all, woke at 2am, cried on and off for 10mins (some of it very loud!) then back to sleep til 5am when i fed him. Very pleased as the night before it was 40mins of crying at 3.30am.

Going to watch some telly i think...

Morning everyone, :)

Hope your babies are letting you get a little more rest now, sounds like self settling is helping :)

Nothing to report here - looking forward to having kids back at shook on Monday!
Went to the docs to get the Microgynon contraceptive pill, got home and dh said "don't bother taking it" this definitely got my attention so asked why and he said "because I don't trust it and we don't want another." :( Was half hoping he had thought of having another all by himself but seems like it's just not meant to be, not yet anyway. Still keeping my hopes alive tho that next year he'll have a change of heart, time will tell...

Love to you all, xxxx

What's DH proposing instead Cherry?

I am considering sleep training Daniel now. He is only waking once a night usually but I am sure it is just habit not hunger. I did the twins at 8m successfully (not cry it out but controlled crying where you go back in the reassure every 5-10-20 mins etc.) Just got to pluck up the energy!